Charlotte Casiraghi and Family Current Events Part 42: January 2018 - July 2018

[titiromi]

Originally Posted by tatianacressida

I have wondered also, but given that Dimitri separated in late 2016, I'd say there is at least a fair chance that he's obtained a decree nisi by now.

Divorce don't work like that in France. It lasts very long here. You first have to do a "requête initiale" to ask the judge to try to conciliate you. The judge then welcome the couple at his office some months later to proceed. And if he sees that the couple is sure that they want to divorce, the judge try to make them achieve an agreement on all the effect of the divorce. Agreements that are written on "ordonnance de non conciliation".
The agreements are temporary. They lasts for many months depending on the court (usually one year). Then they go to court to proceed to the real divorce. More they agree, more it goes quickly. Then the divorce is pronounced (but usually it takes at least 18 months).

[Florestane]

Originally Posted by titiromi

Divorce don't work like that in France. It lasts very long here. You first have to do a "requête initiale" to ask the judge to try to conciliate you. The judge then welcome the couple at his office some months later to proceed. And if he sees that the couple is sure that they want to divorce, the judge try to make them achieve an agreement on all the effect of the divorce. Agreements that are written on "ordonnance de non conciliation".
The agreements are temporary. They lasts for many months depending on the court (usually one year). Then they go to court to proceed to the real divorce. More they agree, more it goes quickly. Then the divorce is pronounced (but usually it takes at least 18 months).

Did they marry in France? If they married elsewhere (like Russia) maybe they could file there?

[titiromi]

I looked up. It s 25 months not 18 months.

They married only religiously in Russia I think. But as Dimitri is french and he lives in France. French courts are competent.

[Paranoia]

Originally Posted by titiromi

I looked up. It s 25 months not 18 months.

They married only religiously in Russia I think. But as Dimitri is french and he lives in France. French courts are competent.

But his wife is living in the USA, so they can also file for the divorce over there. I'm sure it is quicker and easier to get a divorce in California than in France. If they reached an economical agreement and didn't have to go to court they problably got the divorce long ago.

I don't know how it works in Russia, they probably can get it over there too, since she is russian. And since the french procedure is son long and hard it probably will be shorter there too.

I doubt they can have a religious wedding thought (if they really are getting married this summer, which I doubt), if they married religiously in Russia.
I don't know much about how the orthodox church works on this matters, but I guess it won't be much different than the catholic church. I doubt it contemplates divorce.

I think there is a forum member from Greece who will probably know better about it.

[Melchior]

They didn’t marry religiously and they are divorced. France has a new simplified divorce procedure if the parties agree

[Moonmaiden23]

Dimitri married Maria Novoselova in St Petersburg Russia in July 2010 in the Russian Orthodox Church to which his former wife belongs. It was reportedly a lavish three day affair and was widely reported in the European press at the time. There was no mention of a civil ceremony in France.
However...if Dimitri was baptized Catholic as I suspect he was and did not obtain a dispensation to be married according to Orthodox rites, the Catholic Church considers the marriage invalid. He is perfectly free to marry Charlotte Casiraghi in a Roman Catholic ceremony if they choose to do so
His position is the same as Chris O'Neill when he chose to marry Princess Madeleine outside the Catholic Church without a dispensation, or Jacqueline Kennedy when she married the Greek billionaire in 1968 without Vatican approval.

According to Catholic canon law there IS no binding marriage.

Dimitri doesn't strike me as a stupid guy. I doubt he has proposed marriage to such a high profile girlfriend while still married. He and Novoselova were reportedly estranged and living separately when he became involved with Charlotte in December 2016.

[burbankstorylady]

I know for athina Onassis it was easy to obtain the “quickie” divorce in the Belgian courts (she has residency there). It was less than two years and in her case it was complicated by dispute over which horses she gets, which horses he gets, but as they had a solid prenup (he contested unsuccessfully) the Belgian court decided quickly in athina’s favor. So I’m sure if athina could do it in this time frame ..... Dimitri and Masha, I presume, get along fairly well and if the parties are agreeable it can be worked out.

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Dimitri married Maria Novoselova in St Petersburg Russia in July 2010 in the Russian Orthodox Church to which his former wife belongs. It was reportedly a lavish three day affair and was widely reported in the European press at the time. There was no mention of a civil ceremony in France.
However...if Dimitri was baptized Catholic as I suspect he was and did not obtain a dispensation to be married according to Orthodox rites, the Catholic Church considers the marriage invalid. He is perfectly free to marry Charlotte Casiraghi in a Roman Catholic ceremony if they choose to do so
His position is the same as Chris O'Neill when he chose to marry Princess Madeleine outside the Catholic Church without a dispensation, or Jacqueline Kennedy when she married the Greek billionaire in 1968 without Vatican approval.

According to Catholic canon law there IS no binding marriage.

Dimitri doesn't strike me as a stupid guy. I doubt he has proposed marriage to such a high profile girlfriend while still married. He and Novoselova were reportedly estranged and living separately when he became involved with Charlotte in December 2016.

He would still have to have a formal statement from the Church saying he was free to marry/that his 'marriage' was no valid etc. That should be easy to obtain.


LaRae

[Moonmaiden23]

Which he may already have or be in the process of obtaining from Rome courtesy of Monsignor Barsi...for all we know. These are crossed T"s and dotted I"s that the public will not know about unless there is a leak.

My point is simply that people who assume that Dimitri cannot marry Charlotte in church because he is divorced are incorrect.

[Melchior]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Which he may already have or be in the process of obtaining from Rome courtesy of Monsignor Barsi...for all we know. These are crossed T"s and dotted I"s that the public will not know about unless there is a leak.

My point is simply that people who assume that Dimitri cannot marry Charlotte in church because he is divorced are incorrect.

Pretty sure Dimitri and his ex-wife weren’t married religiously, in which case he’s free to marry in Church

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Which he may already have or be in the process of obtaining from Rome courtesy of Monsignor Barsi...for all we know. These are crossed T"s and dotted I"s that the public will not know about unless there is a leak.

My point is simply that people who assume that Dimitri cannot marry Charlotte in church because he is divorced are incorrect.

Have they announced they are marrying or is this just speculation as to where they are headed?

Right most folks don't understand marriage tribunal issues unless they are Catholic and have experience with it or have studied it.


LaRae

[Moonmaiden23]

There has been no announcement from the Palace or from Caroline and there almost certainly will not be one. But the sources that are reporting the engagement as fact...VF Spain and Hola, are reputed to have excellent contacts within the Princely family and are considered reliable

[Pranter]

Can you imagine their children? They will be stunning.


LaRae

[cdm]

If I’m correct Caroline announced Andrea’s engagement.
With Pierre there were rumours and then Beatrice’s mum appeared with the princely family at the Rose Ball.
So I’m waiting to see if Dimitri’s mum will attend the Rose Ball next saturday.

[Moonmaiden23]

Carole Bouquet was at Zurs for Princess Caroline's annual family ski holiday recently which was very significant imo.

But I doubt we will see her at the Rose Ball as well this week

[lazuli]

Does anyne know if Charlotte attended the Hannover wedding last weekend?

[Biri]

No, she didn't.

[priyanka]

Originally Posted by lazuli

Does anyne know if Charlotte attended the Hannover wedding last weekend?

only Pierre , Alexandra, and Andrea participated at the wedding. Tatiana is pregnant, Beatrice also .. Charlotte seems to be on holiday in the snow.

[cdm]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

Carole Bouquet was at Zurs for Princess Caroline's annual family ski holiday recently which was very significant imo.



But I doubt we will see her at the Rose Ball as well this week

Significant yes but a private holiday and thus less official than appearing at the Rose Ball IMO

(..)

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by Pranter

Can you imagine their children? They will be stunning.


LaRae

I agree, 100%.

It would be like Caroline and Stefano's offspring...genetic bingo!