Charlotte Casiraghi and Family Current Events Part 42: January 2018 - July 2018 - Page 5

**iceflower** · #81 03-02-2018, 03:43 PM

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Here are a video and more photos of the couple at tonight's film awards ceremony and reception:

** gala.fr video **

** gettyimages gallery ** ppe gallery **

** pm gallery: Charlotte Casiraghi et Dimitri Rassam, en amoureux aux César 2018 **

** pp: Charlotte Casiraghi et Dimitri Rassam : Amoureux divins et rares aux César **

Moonmaiden23 · #82 03-02-2018, 03:44 PM

I have seen them both looking much more elegant. In LA for the Film Awards in Oct for example.

You can just tell how thrilled they are with the press attention....NOT.

ETA: The lady sitting on Charlotte's right is beautiful. I wonder was she part of the cast of Le Brio? (Dimitri's nominated film)

burbankstorylady · #83 03-02-2018, 03:56 PM

I suppose no one cares about Charlotte's writing. You are all only interested in how she looks, in pictures of her. That is disappointing.

Moonmaiden23 · #84 03-02-2018, 04:01 PM

It's not that I don't care about Charlotte's writing tatianacressida....it's simply that I don't relate to or grasp the point she is making-or trying to make-most of the time. Her philosophy encounters more often than not just leave me scratching my head...for example I got my hopes up for the "Children and Violence" series a few weeks ago and I found myself reading about how the process of giving birth is itself an act of "violence"? Well.... okay.

I don't get it, and I don't care. And I have tried(believe me). I am much, much more impressed with her mother's work with AMADE and the Prince Pierre literature prizes.

Or perhaps I simply lack the intellectual depth and training to understand.?

I am the first to admit it.

burbankstorylady · #85 03-02-2018, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

It's not that I don't care about Charlotte's writing tatianacressida....it's simply that I don't relate to or grasp the point she is making-or trying to make-most of the time. Her philosophy encounters more often than not just leave me scratching my head...for example I got my hopes up for the "Children and Violence" series a few weeks ago and I found myself reading about how the process of giving birth is itself an act of "violence"? Well.... okay.

I don't get it, and I don't care. And I have tried(believe me). I am much, much more impressed with her mother's work with AMADE and the Prince Pierre literature prizes.

Or perhaps I simply lack the intellectual depth and training to understand.?

I am the first to admit it.

No, it's understandable! I know philosophy is hard, and that's putting it mildly. I have some exposure to it from school and my own readings, and I enjoy it even though it's hard. I just love it, but I know it's not something everyone is into. I will admit that, of course, there are many writers that Charlotte and Robert cite in their book whom I never read, because I'm not very 'up' on French philosophy, at least not modern French philosophy, but that just makes me curious to go have a look and see what they're talking about.

It fascinates me how much Charlotte loves philosophy because it reminds me of (well, yes, her mother, but also) Prince Pierre of Monaco. I can just see him smiling down on her, eyes full of tears, because this kind of thing was what he dreamed of for Monaco.

Paranoia · #86 03-05-2018, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tatianacressida

I suppose no one cares about Charlotte's writing. You are all only interested in how she looks, in pictures of her. That is disappointing.

I don't think that's fair. In my opinion the members of this forums speak more often about Charlotte endeavours (philosophie, horse riding, etc) that about her looks.

However, I don't think there is anything wrong about talking about the way she dresses or her beauty when she herself promotes that side of her by attending fashion shows or appearing in fashion magazines showing herself off or promoting make up.
It is not as if she was a career woman who didn't have links with the beauty industry. In that case I would find sexist to focus on her looks in such a way.
But it is not Charlotte's case.
She makes money out of her looks. She's been acceting covers on fashion magazines for ever, even when she didn't have anything to talk about. And she's been making money from promoting make up and clothes for ages, only on the base of her pretty face and family conections.
She's not been offered those contracts because of what's she's done, but because of who her family is and how she looks. She knows it and she accepts it. So, I think that it is perfectly fair that we talk about her looks as long as we do it in a respectful way.

About her writing... Well, I can't talk much since I haven't read the book. I've read, though, some philosophical texts she's published in magazines, some time ago, and I can say that I didn't like it at all. It was pretentious, confusing, and badly written, so, based on that, I dont' feel like spending a single sou on her book even if the Maggiori bits are probably very good.

It's the same thing when she speaks. Whenever she's given an interview alongside Maggiori you can see all she's lacking and why she's still not ready to write a book. Maybe in the future, but not now.

When you listen to Maggiori, you understand everything he's saying. He is a prestigious philosopher, a doctor, someone who can manage as many references as he wants, and still he is clear, didactic, he reaches you, he manages to say a lot in an understandable way. When you listen to Charlotte, you feel that she doesn't say anything. She is always pretentious, she speaks throught high concepts, she's extremely theoretical, exactly like a student who wants to show off in front of her teacher and boast about all her reading. But everything she says sounds void, far away from real life, too intelecual and learned by heart, not elaborated on her own.
That's why I am not interesed in what she has to say. I've never heard her say anything remotely interesting as yet.

Also, I think that having her debating with Maggiori spoils the purpose of the book. I love the idea of a book about passions. And I would have loved to read Maggiori debating about it with someone of his own intellectual level. But with someone who did ONE year of Philosophy and that's all? Any real philo graduate with a maîtrisse could probably do better. At least she would have bottered to finish her studies and write a mémoire de recherche (an original research work). Charlotte hasn't even been able to do that.

I can understand the point of the book if it is done in a dialectical way, like the books of the greek philophers. If Charlotte's voice is used in that way, the thing may be not that bad. But if I have to read 300 pages full of long paragraphs of her confusing and theoretical blablabla, I pass.

moby · #87 03-05-2018, 08:45 AM

I didn't like the hair from the Saint Laurent show. Curious that she didn't appear for Gucci this season. Perhaps Kering "moved" her to Saint Laurent and Stella McCartney? Those labels are certainly more in line with her aesthetics. Let's not forget she was recruited into Gucci when the old Creative Director was slowly on her way out, but she and Charlotte defintely had similar tastes than the current CD and her.

As to her book, agree with what Paranoia has said. Not to discredit her struggles in life, which we know nothing about, but she came off out of touch when she talked about childbirth as violence. She sounds like an arthouse afficionado more than anything else. Philosophy is probably one of the hardest areas or fields to gain credibility in, I mean, any field you wish to be an expert in you do have to publish and have papers peer-reviewed, etc. But I can't imagine how much harder it is to publish in philosophy! So for her to have published on this topic is of course because of her privilege, same as her presence in fashion shows and endorsements.

I haven't read the book and would like to out of curiosity if there's an English version out. I hope she surprises me.

Biri · #88 03-05-2018, 10:56 AM

As far as I remember, Queen Victoria also compared childbirth to violence.

Moonmaiden23 · #89 03-05-2018, 11:23 AM

Indeed she did.

And I am not saying that Charlotte didn't have a point, but my expectation from that Childhood and Violence series was that the discussion would center on children exposed to violence in society, in media, in the domestic sphere etc and the effects on their individual psyches, which of course would drastically affect how they grow into adulthood.

That didn't seem to be the case.

However, I am intrigued by the title of the Maggiori/Casiragi work and I love the idea of grouping human emotions like rage, jealously, etc and referring to them as an "archipelago". I would like to read an English version of her book because even though I read French fairly well, I do not have a good enough grasp to be able to read and understand the complexity of the subject matter in another language.

Empress Merel · #90 03-05-2018, 12:56 PM

Is he now officially divorced?

Lee-Z · #91 03-05-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

ETA: The lady sitting on Charlotte's right is beautiful. I wonder was she part of the cast of Le Brio? (Dimitri's nominated film)

Camelia Jordana is indeed an actress in Le Brio (won a Cesar award for her role, if i'm not mistaken)

Florestane · #92 03-05-2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoia

I don't think that's fair. In my opinion the members of this forums speak more often about Charlotte endeavours (philosophie, horse riding, etc) that about her looks.

However, I don't think there is anything wrong about talking about the way she dresses or her beauty when she herself promotes that side of her by attending fashion shows or appearing in fashion magazines showing herself off or promoting make up.
It is not as if she was a career woman who didn't have links with the beauty industry. In that case I would find sexist to focus on her looks in such a way.
But it is not Charlotte's case.
She makes money out of her looks. She's been acceting covers on fashion magazines for ever, even when she didn't have anything to talk about. And she's been making money from promoting make up and clothes for ages, only on the base of her pretty face and family conections.
She's not been offered those contracts because of what's she's done, but because of who her family is and how she looks. She knows it and she accepts it. So, I think that it is perfectly fair that we talk about her looks as long as we do it in a respectful way.

About her writing... Well, I can't talk much since I haven't read the book. I've read, though, some philosophical texts she's published in magazines, some time ago, and I can say that I didn't like it at all. It was pretentious, confusing, and badly written, so, based on that, I dont' feel like spending a single sou on her book even if the Maggiori bits are probably very good.

It's the same thing when she speaks. Whenever she's given an interview alongside Maggiori you can see all she's lacking and why she's still not ready to write a book. Maybe in the future, but not now.

When you listen to Maggiori, you understand everything he's saying. He is a prestigious philosopher, a doctor, someone who can manage as many references as he wants, and still he is clear, didactic, he reaches you, he manages to say a lot in an understandable way. When you listen to Charlotte, you feel that she doesn't say anything. She is always pretentious, she speaks throught high concepts, she's extremely theoretical, exactly like a student who wants to show off in front of her teacher and boast about all her reading. But everything she says sounds void, far away from real life, too intelecual and learned by heart, not elaborated on her own.
That's why I am not interesed in what she has to say. I've never heard her say anything remotely interesting as yet.

Also, I think that having her debating with Maggiori spoils the purpose of the book. I love the idea of a book about passions. And I would have loved to read Maggiori debating about it with someone of his own intellectual level. But with someone who did ONE year of Philosophy and that's all? Any real philo graduate with a maîtrisse could probably do better. At least she would have bottered to finish her studies and write a mémoire de recherche (an original research work). Charlotte hasn't even been able to do that.

I can understand the point of the book if it is done in a dialectical way, like the books of the greek philophers. If Charlotte's voice is used in that way, the thing may be not that bad. But if I have to read 300 pages full of long paragraphs of her confusing and theoretical blablabla, I pass.

I agree - I think there's varied discussion about Charlotte on this forum and it's fair enough to discuss her looks and fashion, especially given that she is a "muse" for Kering businesses.

I am interested in her book - but I agree that she can come off a bit pretentious when she's discussing philosophy or literature etc. I do however think it is a genuine interest on her part. And if her sharing that interest through her organisation makes it seem a little less dry to a wider public good for her. The seminars seem to get a respectable turnout.

In the TV interview Robert Maggiori said it looks at themes that aren't currently so fashionable in philosophical circles so it could be interesting from that point of view.

Moonmaiden23 · #93 03-05-2018, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Empress Merel

Is he now officially divorced?

He's been divorced since the end of the summer of 2017, IIRC. Anyway the press needs to quit speculating and predicting a wedding for these two. Both Closer and Point de Vue were salivating for a Dec 2017 wedding in Monaco that never happened!

ETA: Both "El Mundo" and "Europa" are reporting the news of Charlotte's engagement as fact. Color me surprised...I was thinking she would not marry anytime soon!

http://www.europapress.es/.../notici...tri-rassam-cam

www.elmundo.es › Inicio

priyanka · #94 03-06-2018, 03:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhUwk1vC5yI

A Philo Dinner with Charlotte Casiraghi and Robert Maggiori - C to You - 05/03/2018

Paranoia · #95 03-06-2018, 06:56 AM

I don't find very belivable the news about her engagement. If you are to believe them Dimitri proposed during a trip to Paris last weekend and someone who knew it told Vanity Fair???

1. A trip to Paris? They live in Paris. Hard to believe someone so misinformed.
2. Dimitri proposed? I am told that in America men still propose marriage to women, but that's something that nobody does in Europe (well, some corny people who have seen it in american movies do it but it is nor normal at all). Men don't ceremonialy propose, we are not in the 19th century. Men and women talk about getting married and they do it, but in a private, understated way. There is no surprise ring! It something that simply it's not done. The same way that the concept of being engaged doesn't exist here. Nodoby ever says "I'm engaged". You have a boyfriend and the you are married, that's all.
3.So, Dimitri proposed privately to Charlotte and even before their families knew they inmediately told someone so not close to them, that this person inmediately told the press. Aha.

I think that the press simply know that it looks like a serious relationship and if they keep repeating that they are going to get married soon at some point they'll get it right.

Empress Merel · #96 03-06-2018, 07:26 AM

Men def propose with a ring in Europe. I don't really understand your reasoning as him being French having anything to do with perhaps not proposing with a ring, or propose at all. Louis Ducruet certainly didn't follow your theory for example.

Paranoia · #97 03-06-2018, 07:48 AM

Has you ever meet anyone in real life who got a proposal the american way? The ring and the "do you want to marry me"??? Because not only I have never known anyone who did that but everybody I know thinks its ridiculous and corny.

I didn't know about Louis Ducruet. I've just googled it, and I find it absolutely ridiculous. But I also see that the girlfriend is vietnamese. I don't know. It's another culture. Maybe they got more influence from the USA over there and she fantazised with the idea and thought it was important.

But, come on, you are from the Netherlands. It's not about being french. In your country (or in mine), normal people with a sense of what is appropiate, don't do such things either. Actually, most young people don't even get married...

I don't know her but Charlotte doesn't strike me as someone ridiculous and corny. She seems much more natural than that.

Moonmaiden23 · #98 03-06-2018, 11:26 AM

Paranoia, I can assure you that many people in America young and not so young1) propose the way Louis Ducruet did and b) still get married and take great joy in doing so.

And they are all quite "normal".

I personally find Louis to have great taste and a good sense of romance. His girlfriend is lucky.

Prince Harry proposed to his girlfriend in the "ridiculous and corny" manner, as did Prince Felix of Luxembourg. So I reject your idea that it's unheard of in Europe. Perhaps it's just unheard of in the circles you move in, which is another matter entirely.

As for Charlotte and Dimitri, they live in Paris but as photos demonstrate they are constantly on the move. They also spend weekends in the country at Barbizon. Maybe he proposed, maybe it's bogus. My bet is that the news will not be confirmed by Caroline or the Palace even if he did.

Biri · #99 03-06-2018, 11:42 AM

In my country it belongs to a good tone to ask also the girl's parents for her hand:

http://www.weseletarnow.pl/obyczaje/oswiadczyny.htm

https://translate.google.pl/translat...-text=&act=url

Florestane · #**100** 03-06-2018, 01:38 PM

Proposing marriage doesn't mean a big romantic gesture - it just means asking/suggesting marriage. Whether that is accompanied by flowers and fireworks or is just a private discussion doesn't mean it isn't a proposal.

In the UK, France and Spain - all places I've lived - the big down on one knee moment is alive and well but obviously not for everyone. And in the UK people do say they're "engaged".

Marie Chevallier is French as far as I know - her mother is of Vietnamese origin. I thought Louis proposal sweet if showy. They were happy and wanted to share it with everyone.

As to Charlotte and Dimitri I'll wait for some slightly more official source but I hope it's true. It isn't so farfetched that someone at Vanity Fair might know - the staff have good connections with "society" and various members of the Casiraghi "gang" have featured in its various editions.