Charlotte Casiraghi and Family Current Events Part 41: January 2017 - December 2017

[moby]

Well lucky for her, Vogue thinks differently from us. I'm referring to their short but glowing article on her after her Gucci appearance.

[Empress Merel]

Originally Posted by AristoCat

Behaving well isn't an unrealistic standard; it's not like she's being ordered to solve problems involving the world economy and it's not like she has a stress filled life. She is paid to be cheery and positive and upbeat for the sake of the brand and being crass isn't being mysterious or inaccessible.

Andrea strikes me as a little snot as well and frankly this rushing away from the crowd, no excuse. He's there to schmooze and represent the company. No excuse; she has no business showing snobbery or looking indifferent or being unkempt. She's an employee, nothing more, nothing less.

You don't know what's in her contract and what she's being paid to do, come on now. That said, high fashion is not about smiling and being happy. This is not a Zara Kids show.

[amermaid]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Her Mother was pregnant for her second and third Wedding.

With Gad el Maleh , there was a Religion Problem and he did not want a wedding.

I think she dated Lamberto to have the same Italian Noble Wedding as Pierre but it failed. Was she pregnant again last Summer we will never know, it is private. What happened this Summer on Pacha ??

Her sadness is a general comment in magazines because I think is palpable and we all can imagine why. Agree that Andrea is Andrea but Charlotte always have behaved nicely and professional like I think her mother and Grace. What I liked of Caroline was that, she was always so involved in Monaco duties, her children and in whatever she knew is important for her. Despite having to walk alone in the Spanish wedding she looked like professional and smiling in that marvelous blue Chanel outfit if you guys can remember. We all have love problems I guess even rich and truly beautiful ppl or even they more than us who knows but I find sad that Charlotte is turning into something she was not by birth she was shy but sweet and her smile is the best thing she has as every human (although hers is especially).

The feedback in sites like Vogue or Elle is very negative in 99% of the ppl overall after the video and these last fashion weeks mostly cos they are not able to recognize her. Apart from the rude comments about her "masculinisation", they say she has a bad attitude, insecure and decadent. So she is not at the level of her mother to be a Monaco ambassador as she pretends to be nowadays if you know what I mean. So on this scenario she must need the money cos the best thing would be a break, like Caroline did when she feels she was not able to face the press stress. I do not understand why she forces herself to be in front of cameras if she does not need it so I came to the same conclusion that most of you, this is her real job and for real I mean she needs it on a certain degree so pple who says she has to be professional are right despite she act like she is not working and it is only her social life.

I read in Vogue forums and lately I have to agree sadly that instead of being like her mother and stay true about yourself and what you are she is choosing the "philosophy" fake it until your make it (journalism, horses, socialité) but this is not working and it shows and pple is even more against this philosophy as she comes to a very privileged place. Indeed you can read that what is happening now if that she in despair for a good marriage as she is aware she need some economical support apart from Caro so for this reason she has this attitude about being annoyed of having to "work". ( I am not gonna go here into her moves with the kid which is very commented too in order to make the "full picture".)

I dunnot, the only thing I think is that this is not good for Monaco image if this is important for them. So I def would take a break better than having to read this feedback in the classical magazines. Nowadays are not the time of Caro, she is not the first lady of Monaco in terms of budget and men maybe are not going to marry you in a romantic way so easily so if you need to be professional in your jobs like 99% of the pple better accept it soon than later imo cos if you put yourself in front of a camera everybody is watching you.

In short pple is starting to think she is not a good ambassador. And bad cos she seems not to be able to do anything else. This is what you can read currenlty about her and I find it kind of sad.

[azure]

She is very lucky and she does not know it!
Maybe my question is stupid, but, does Caroline earn money for her multiple duties in Monaco? (I guess, obviously yes.)
Caroline seemed to be a very smart woman from a young age, she knew not only how to stand, but also how to behave and discuss with various important people and deal with serious cases. She must have learnt all these things not like in a day of course, but through her experience. I think Monaco is being kept famous thanks to her.
I cannot imagine Charlotte undertaking her mom's role for any reason, unluckily. Hopefully I am wrong.

There are so many other things she could get involved with, if she needs money. C'mon guys, we are talking about the niece of Albert..!
And if she wants to avoid the paparazzi and the limelight, the first thing to do is avoid the cameras, too, meaning, stop being an ambassador. There are, I bet, various jobs, for people, who do not like being exposed. She could work in an office, even in Monaco or somewhere in Paris. With her connections, she could do many things.
Or is there maybe a problem that she only holds a BA degree? (There was a rumour that she has not even completed it, but there is no point in speculating.)

Allow me to agree with @AristoCat in some of her points.

[titiromi]

I don't think Caroline, Stephanie, Albert or Charlene get paid for what they are doing. In Monaco, they don't pay taxes (well they pay the TVA when they buy things). I do not think the princely family perceives anything at all from the State but I may be wrong of course.

Albert, Caroline, and Stephanie inherited from their parents when they died so they don't need to work for money. And I believe the Société des Bains de mer, which the Grimaldi owns, provides some yearly substantial income to Albert.

EDIT: Forget What I said about SBM, it is partially owned by the monegasque state (for about 50%), by private persons (for about 30%) and by some companies (for about 20 %).

[moby]

Originally Posted by amermaid

The feedback in sites like Vogue or Elle is very negative in 99% of the ppl overall after the video and these last fashion weeks mostly cos they are not able to recognize her. Apart from the rude comments about her "masculinisation", they say she has a bad attitude, insecure and decadent. So she is not at the level of her mother to be a Monaco ambassador as she pretends to be nowadays if you know what I mean.

I read in Vogue forums and lately I have to agree sadly that instead of being like her mother and stay true about yourself and what you are she is choosing the "philosophy" fake it until your make it (journalism, horses, socialité) but this is not working and it shows and pple is even more against this philosophy as she comes to a very privileged place. Indeed you can read that what is happening now if that she in despair for a good marriage as she is aware she need some economical support apart from Caro so for this reason she has this attitude about being annoyed of having to "work". ( I am not gonna go here into her moves with the kid which is very commented too in order to make the "full picture".)

I think it is important to differentiate between Vogue (the tastemakers) and Vogue forums (the plebs lol).

Vogue US online seems happy to lay out what they think she contributes to the scene:
http://www.vogue.com/article/paris-f...ella-mccartney
http://www.vogue.com/article/milan-f...ian-ambassador

[AristoCat]

Originally Posted by azure

She is very lucky and she does not know it!
Maybe my question is stupid, but, does Caroline earn money for her multiple duties in Monaco? (I guess, obviously yes.)
Caroline seemed to be a very smart woman from a young age, she knew not only how to stand, but also how to behave and discuss with various important people and deal with serious cases. She must have learnt all these things not like in a day of course, but through her experience. I think Monaco is being kept famous thanks to her.
I cannot imagine Charlotte undertaking her mom's role for any reason, unluckily. Hopefully I am wrong.

There are so many other things she could get involved with, if she needs money. C'mon guys, we are talking about the niece of Albert..!
And if she wants to avoid the paparazzi and the limelight, the first thing to do is avoid the cameras, too, meaning, stop being an ambassador. There are, I bet, various jobs, for people, who do not like being exposed. She could work in an office, even in Monaco or somewhere in Paris. With her connections, she could do many things.
Or is there maybe a problem that she only holds a BA degree? (There was a rumour that she has not even completed it, but there is no point in speculating.)

Allow me to agree with @AristoCat in some of her points.

I believe that Caroline and Stephanie have vast trusts and Charlotte has been an owner of a private island and an 800 million USD trust fund since she was practically born. Just for all this alone, she has no business being snotty or scowling. She's representing a major brand. Actors and actresses represent major brands all the time and are friendly and outgoing; heads of state represent nations and they are friendly and gregarious. Charlotte has no excuse at all being cold and if the people don't like it, Gucci might drop her.

I read in Vogue forums and lately I have to agree sadly that instead of being like her mother and stay true about yourself and what you are she is choosing the "philosophy" fake it until your make it (journalism, horses, socialité) but this is not working and it shows and pple is even more against this philosophy as she comes to a very privileged pla

PIty she wasn't raised to stick to something and put a good face on even if she was feeling rotten or miserable inside. It's something that ALL privileged kids need to be raised in and whether they like it or not.

[amermaid]

Looking at the marriage election of Andrea (who I understand always knew he wanted a jobless life) and Pierre´s job situation imo I believe Charlotte when she said she need the Gucci income to maintain her horses. I do not how Caro earns her money but it does not mean Charlotte does not need her economic independence.

Caro did not divorce from Ernest...well, we can think a lot of things about,as Azure has questioned herself, how Monaco functions in term of budget. Stefani has sold her home to Caro. I do not know how strong their finances really are for so many pple between Albert´s sisters,his own childrens, her wife, her nieces and newphes, Caro grandchildren. I know they do not need money for food but I do not know if they all could afford a jobless life if you know what I mean. IMO each one must solve their "jetset life" and it is not a Monaco affair anymore. Before I did not have this impression but now I totally have it overall recently.

We have two version: Charlotte owns an island and the currently one at least in the sites I read is that she is sharing flat in Paris with her kid and a girlfriend.

Well all of this to say that I hope Charlotte finds her old smile again cos this is the best complement for an outfit as pple do not enjoy photos of angry faces at work as it is logic. And she is not a writer she is the image or ambassador of brands currently.

[AristoCat]

Here's what I think:

I think Charlotte is having problems adjusting to no longer being the center of attention of her mother, her brothers, and her uncle.

Her brothers each have wives and children of their own now and up until just recently, she was their darling, the female star of the Casiraghi Trio. She was obviously all over the place with them and the three of them were inseparable. She isn't handling that change since they now have lives of their own and appearances are dwindling since Andrea is no longer The Heir.

She's lost her ingenue status since she's a mother now and thus far hasn't been able to attract and land anyone new, anyone she wants. Since she jet sets and doesn't really have an interest or background in anything serious, she's become one of the crowd of many socialites; she's no longer unique in anything and the press isn't clamoring to interview her anymore.

Being Grace Kelly's granddaughter doesn't count for much and it's not like being famous for the sake of being famous is something that stands out in this culture.

Perhaps she's experiencing for the first time in her life that she has to start making a genuine effort in her life and she isn't responding well. I don't believe she's going to end up handling a life where she ages and a fresh crop of socialites come along and gain the interest of a tabloid press that she's used to being the darling of.

Showing a scowling face at the Gucci show and not getting away with it must be a new experience for her. The people who read up on this stuff and the people in fashion who rightly take their work seriously should call her out on her childish behavior.

[azure]

Sometimes I am wondering, if Charlotte is aware of this forum (I bet she is) and if she is frequently reading her column. I don't know how I could react, if i was her

About the Monaco money, Albert owns many companies in Monaco, as well as hotels, the casino (maybe part of it) banks and so on. I think, that Caroline also has shares in such companies. I had once read that she owned some burger stores, lol, but I don't think that is actually true.
I am wondering what Stephanie is actually doing.

But, to go back to the relevant subject, Charlotte, I think that she has not find herself yet, she has been experimenting with many stuff, but she still does not know, what she really deeply wants. I hope she finds it soon. I am wondering what she is doing in Paris. She first wanted to live in a small village with her kid (was that actually true or only the fault news of some magazines?) and then we hear that she is staying in Paris with a girlfriend. She could definitely find a job, but I don't think that she is so strong to deal with her life smarter. I am wondering what Caroline thinks about it.

[Empress Merel]

What I think is that she is a private citizen and it's really not our business to determine for someone who no one here knows if she's lost in life, struggles with ''not being the centre of attention'', needs money etc.

[noda]

Originally Posted by amermaid

Looking at the marriage election of Andrea (who I understand always knew he wanted a jobless life) and Pierre´s job situation imo I believe Charlotte when she said she need the Gucci income to maintain her horses. I do not how Caro earns her money but it does not mean Charlotte does not need her economic independence.

Caro did not divorce from Ernest...well, we can think a lot of things about,as Azure has questioned herself, how Monaco functions in term of budget. Stefani has sold her home to Caro. I do not know how strong their finances really are for so many pple between Albert´s sisters,his own childrens, her wife, her nieces and newphes, Caro grandchildren. I know they do not need money for food but I do not know if they all could afford a jobless life if you know what I mean. IMO each one must solve their "jetset life" and it is not a Monaco affair anymore. Before I did not have this impression but now I totally have it overall recently.

We have two version: Charlotte owns an island and the currently one at least in the sites I read is that she is sharing flat in Paris with her kid and a girlfriend.

Well all of this to say that I hope Charlotte finds her old smile again cos this is the best complement for an outfit as pple do not enjoy photos of angry faces at work as it is logic. And she is not a writer she is the image or ambassador of brands currently.

Charlotte doesn't own any island. Some gossip newspaper wrote many years ago that Casiraghi grandpa (Giancarlo) and grandma (Fernanda) give her as a gift an Italian Island. It's completely wrong. Mrs. Fernanda Casiraghi in one her few interview denied officially this gift. She pointed out that she has 8 grandchildren.

[maria-olivia]

Coming back to Charlotte in Paris for the Fashion Week. I met people who saw her and she looked so unhappy and completely lost.

[Florestane]

They aren't short of money and who knows whether she is lost/unhappy or not. She doesn't seem to stick to one thing but then she doesn't have to. And who knows what she gets up to in private. I don't understand the Gucci thing because the latest designs wear her usually and she doesn't have good posture.

Andrea, as far as I can tell, married because he was in love and was forming a family. As to his never wanting to work I've never heard that. He has a very odd cv for someone who prefers to do nothing. Like his siblings he's a private citizen, we have no idea how they occupy their time when not in the limelight.

[AristoCat]

Originally Posted by Empress Merel

What I think is that she is a private citizen and it's really not our business to determine for someone who no one here knows if she's lost in life, struggles with ''not being the centre of attention'', needs money etc.

She does put herself out there, on the jet set and as ambassador for Gucci and model for lines like Mont Blanc. So it's not like she's someone who basically lives a regular 9-5 job life who isn't seeking the spotlight.

She even did an interview at an early age with her Uncle Albert nearby and it was merely because she existed, not because she accomplished anything. She didn't have to do an interview at a nearly age. She chooses this jet set life where there will be photographers and gossip columnists.

There's just something about her that rubs me the wrong way.

[amermaid]

Originally Posted by AristoCat

She does put herself out there, on the jet set and as ambassador for Gucci and model for lines like Mont Blanc. So it's not like she's someone who basically lives a regular 9-5 job life who isn't seeking the spotlight.

She even did an interview at an early age with her Uncle Albert nearby and it was merely because she existed, not because she accomplished anything. She didn't have to do an interview at a nearly age. She chooses this jet set life where there will be photographers and gossip columnists.

There's just something about her that rubs me the wrong way.

Agree with your two interventions.
We have commented these things because is the only stuff you can read about her currently (I am not talking about editorial content). Her bad face in PFW and the gossip around that has been widely commented along the internet. For better or for worst is what is on trend about her. There is not another hidden intention I would prefer to come back to that marvelous Chanel tweed outfit with the little hat in the church if you guys can remember.

I also wonder what Caro thinks in many aspects.

[maria-olivia]

As far as I remember we did not see Caroline outside the Pacha the whole Summer.
We saw sometimes Lamberto on Yacht Pacha and then nevermore.

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by amermaid

Agree with your two interventions.
We have commented these things because is the only stuff you can read about her currently (I am not talking about editorial content). Her bad face in PFW and the gossip around that has been widely commented along the internet. For better or for worst is what is on trend about her. There is not another hidden intention I would prefer to come back to that marvelous Chanel tweed outfit with the little hat in the church if you guys can remember.

I also wonder what Caro thinks in many aspects.

That's the outfit she wore to Prince Albert's Investiture Mass. I referred to it earlier. She always looked youthful, fresh and yet elegant in those days. I loved it!

[AristoCat]

Originally Posted by amermaid

Agree with your two interventions.
We have commented these things because is the only stuff you can read about her currently (I am not talking about editorial content). Her bad face in PFW and the gossip around that has been widely commented along the internet. For better or for worst is what is on trend about her. There is not another hidden intention I would prefer to come back to that marvelous Chanel tweed outfit with the little hat in the church if you guys can remember.

I also wonder what Caro thinks in many aspects.

I do think that Caroline is responsible for Charlotte developing the attitude problems that Charlotte has shown on many occasions. Caroline herself is pretentious and has had a tendency to put on airs and I don't believe that Caroline has been a good influence in the area of keeping Charlotte's own pretensions in check.

I do think Charlotte being encouraged to be a public figure without actually accomplishing anything was a mistake on Caroline's part. I don't think she is being cute or cutting edge when she looks acidly unpleasant and Gucci might not be paying her to be a politician, but they are playing for her to be pleasant.

[Florestane]

Originally Posted by AristoCat

I do think that Caroline is responsible for Charlotte developing the attitude problems that Charlotte has shown on many occasions. Caroline herself is pretentious and has had a tendency to put on airs and I don't believe that Caroline has been a good influence in the area of keeping Charlotte's own pretensions in check.

I do think Charlotte being encouraged to be a public figure without actually accomplishing anything was a mistake on Caroline's part. I don't think she is being cute or cutting edge when she looks acidly unpleasant and Gucci might not be paying her to be a politician, but they are playing for her to be pleasant.

She's a fully grown woman of 30 - she doesn't have to do what her mother says. Apparently, Chris Levine was quoted recently saying about Caroline that she was "having to deal with Charlotte" - subtext, she doesn't approve of all her choices. But we don't actually know - and I very much doubt we ever fully will because Caroline has fiercely guarded her children's privacy.

Whilst I agree that she seems a bit glum and world weary and some of the fashion choices are odd at some of these events she turns up to, the fact that she doesn't smile doesn't mean she _is_ actually unpleasant in person.

When I've seen videos of her being interviewed she has always seemed pleasant enough.

Sometimes in print interviews I've found she has come across as a bit trying too hard to be intellectual but that could partly be down to the writer as I think it is less evident in the videos I've seen. Then I've had the impression that actually she does have a genuine interest in philosophy and reading etc.

I disagree that Caroline is pretentious - I think she is a very intelligent, cultured woman and there isn't pretence there, that's who she is.