The Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima, Current Events 1 (January 2003 - May 2004) - Page 11

Angel S. · #**201** 11-18-2003, 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by Helena@Nov 17th, 2003 - 5:12 am
wasnt it about a dentist of Maxima who is one of the foremen of the dutch branch of the scientology-cult (which is even forbidden in Germany and regarded with much sceptisism through Europe.
Maxima has remained catholic btw, although her children will be raised as dutch reformed (calvinists)

The Dutch press is indeed ruthless although not as bad as the German press. And no she is not a Scientologist. As far as her knowing one I have no idea about that but I don't see the big deal in it either.

I know a few Scientologists which are very lovely and very normal people inluding some well respected doctors. I don't like to talk about people's religion unless I have first hand account of it myself & I can honestly say that I did not see anything wierd or bad about Scientology. I took some life enhancement type classes there to learn how to deal with stress & manage my time better. I learned a lot and it was all very normal & useful.

I honestly don't know how or why that religion has gotten such a bad rap. Perhaps because they are new & approach religion differently. It's a shame because I did not come across anything strange or bad & they all seemed very eager to simply help people. Of course with every religion you are going to have some who are "too eager" and seem fanatical but as long as no one is doing any harm I don't see what's so bad about it.

And they do have a very strict policy that any member of the Church who is involved in anything illegal is no longer accepted there. With that said, people are people & I'm sure there might be members who are not following the rules etc. but I don't think an entire religious institution should be blamed for the actions of a few especially since the Church does kick them out. I mean look at the Catholics, no one is banning Catholicism jut because a bunch of Priests molested some kids, and with them it's worse because the Church itself protected the priests!! It just sounds like such a double standard. I hate to see injustice.

Alexandria · #**202** 11-18-2003, 10:27 PM

Very well said Angel S. I think Scientology as a religion has indeed gotten a very bad wrap for not a whole lot of good reasons. Perhaps because it seems new age or new period, and people don't like big changes or resist it.

Angel S. · #**203** 11-18-2003, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by Alexandria@Nov 18th, 2003 - 9:27 pm
Very well said Angel S. I think Scientology as a religion has indeed gotten a very bad wrap for not a whole lot of good reasons. Perhaps because it seems new age or new period, and people don't like big changes or resist it.

I just like to be honest you know. I'm very much against racisim & I think everyone should have a chance to be heard. If someone stops talking to you because a few people see your religion as taboo, that is discrimination. If an idea is good & it works what does it matter where it came from.

I hope the story is not true & although that religion is taboo I would hope that a royal house would have the class to hear a person's ideas & not dismiss them simply because they are a Scientologist. i would hate to think they were discriminating against anyone.

xxLindaxx · #**204** 11-21-2003, 03:18 PM

Artillery practises tribute to royal baby
THE HAGUE - the 11th department driving artillery of the royal army has practised Friday morning on the Malieveld in The Hague for the saluut which is brought soon to the baby of prince Willem-Alexander and princess Máxima. The 11th department driving artillery, will fire 101 shots after the birth of the new heir(ess). In former days a little girl had to do with 51 shots, but since 1983 the constitution has made no more distinction between abdiction by a man or a woman .

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel...anon_klein.jpg

moosey60 · #**205** 11-21-2003, 09:09 PM

What's this Egoland thing? A children's show? I'm sorry, I've never heard of it...

paulette · #**206** 11-22-2003, 04:46 AM

They are already practicing for the arrival of Maxima's child/ twins.
Well, I am excited to hear the news when she would deliver her child!

xxLindaxx · #**207** 11-22-2003, 05:00 AM

Egoland : Puppets of the Dutch tv-programm Egoland with Prince Willem-Alexander (2nd left) Princess Maxima (3rd right) Queen Beatrix (2nd right) and Dutch soccer player Johan Cruijff ® who plays an advisor in the programm. Lately Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende criticised satire programms like " Egoland" which would dammage the image of the Dutch Royal Family.

Orianna · #**208** 11-23-2003, 03:26 AM

Hi
i think they are just fake stories from gossip magazines .

Laura Lovec · #**209** 11-24-2003, 11:12 AM

Yes it is true ! the baby will be born soon.

1) the Artillery practises tribute to royal baby
the 11th department driving artillery of the royal army has practised Friday morning on the Malieveld in The Hague for the saluut which is brought soon to the baby of prince Willem-Alexander and princess Máxima. The 11th department driving artillery, will fire 101 shots after the birth of the new heir(ess). In former days a little girl had to do with 51 shots, but since 1983 the constitution has made no more distinction between abdiction by a man or a woman .

2)prince Willem -Alexabder and the queen have no official duties between November 26 and December 11.

3)The Chief Protocol said that the Artillery usually starts its practice 3 weeks before the expected delivery

artillery practises = november 20 + 3 weeks = December 11 = birthdate of the baby ?

OR.......

Between November 26 and December 11 the queen and prince Willem-Alexander have no official duties.So I think the baby will be born before December 11.

xxLindaxx · #**210** 11-27-2003, 02:23 PM

http://www2.telegraaf.nl/multimedia/...pg_159111g.jpg

Because the gender of the baby will no longer play a role in the constitutional hereditary succession, the coat of arms will be the same for either a Prince or a Princess.
I and III: coat of arms the Netherlands/Nassau
II and IV: coat of arms Orange
heart: coat of arms Princess Máxima

The shield is covered with the royal crown, meaning it is a Prince(ss) of the blood royal.

The 'grand arms' show it complete with two shieldbearers (lions) and the royal ermine.

Laura Lovec · #**211** 11-27-2003, 06:09 PM

[SIZE=7]new pic of Màxima ?![SIZE=1]at the maxzite website you can see a new (?) pic of princess Màxima.The pic seems to me really new.What do U think ?

Maxzite website

I mean the pic where Màxima is siting in a car.

Laura

Alexandria · #**212** 11-28-2003, 12:44 PM

These latest pictures are very nice kaasmejsje, and indeed not previously seen before. Perhaps they came from one of Maxima's unpublicized "private" visits that she made quite often early in the fall?

hanni · #**213** 11-28-2003, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by Alexandria@Nov 28th, 2003 - 11:44 am
These latest pictures are very nice kaasmejsje, and indeed not previously seen before. Perhaps they came from one of Maxima's unpublicized "private" visits that she made quite often early in the fall?

On the pictures is Máxima on a primary schoolvisit in Almere! It was on 02-10-2002. she was there because she must know what children lernt in the Netherlands. Not allone at the schools but she visited more projects.

royal_sophietje · #**214** 11-28-2003, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Laura Lovec@Nov 27th, 2003 - 11:09 pm
[SIZE=7]new pic of Màxima ?![SIZE=1]at the maxzite website you can see a new (?) pic of princess Màxima.The pic seems to me really new.What do U think ?

Maxzite website

I mean the pic where Màxima is siting in a car.

Laura

It is a pic from the private memorial service for Prince Claus, a few days before the funeral.

samitude · #**215** 12-02-2003, 02:22 PM

According to the Maxima message board Maxima told Eduard Vermeulen that her baby is to be born at the end of this week. I don't know if that's true or not. I wouldn't be surprised if that's something that a tabloid came up with, but you never know.

Danjel · #**216** 12-02-2003, 09:41 PM

From a friend of mine (who has some informants at the palace) I heares that Máxima is due the end of this week, if the delivery will be a Ceasarian, one will wait untill after Sinterklaas (the 5th of December)

Helena · #**217** 12-03-2003, 03:53 AM

how strange! wouldn t a natural birth be more healthy for both the mother and the child? Especially setting a date like that is very strange in my eyes

Binny · #**218** 12-03-2003, 04:03 AM

Hi!

More and more women seem to do that these days, don't they? Have their baby on an appointed day!

I would think it would be better to let nature decide too (unless there are health problems of course).

What is Sinterklaas, Danjel?

:flower:

wymanda · #**219** 12-03-2003, 04:42 AM

I seem to remember reading that the doctors were concerned about pre-eclampsia at one point. Perhaps, if a caesarian is to be performed, this is the reason? :flower:

justine · #**220** 12-03-2003, 04:43 AM

There may be reasons not disclosed to the public that make it needed for Pss Maxima to have a c-section.
I had toxemia/pre-eclampsia w/ both my children. With my first child I was on bed rest from 33 weeks until labor began. With my second child (who was breech until the Dr's turned him at 32 weeks) I fought against having a c-section. In the end my natural childbirth was a scheduled appointment. The midwife induced labor when I went to the hospital.

Eclampsia has many variables and can effect a pregnancy/mother/child in so many different ways.
I always thought pregnancy was easy and relatively safe, but for some women it's a very rough and hard event.

As long as the Dr's determine that the future Prince/ss is healthy (mature lungs) then this may be an appointment to induce labor instead of a c-section.
Gestational Diabetes is also another problem which can arise from toxemia/eclampsia...and that can cause the baby to get to large in the last month/weeks of the pregnancy.

I can't imagine that Pcss Maxima would opt for surgery instead of natural childbirth. The thought of 'going under the knife' always turns *my* stomach.

I am excited for the birth!!!