Princess Máxima, Current Events 4 (April - September 2007)

[ahtikavalentine]

Does somebody have more of these pictures??

[Aurora810]

I understand but I don't understand this code. It seems that I remember seeing pics of private family moments soon after Alexia's birth when Maxima took the 2 girls to Argentina. And yet I don't remember there being a problem with those pics. I'm struggling to understand the difference. Maybe it's that the pics were taken abroad but then again there is the incident in Italy with the Prive pic. Possibly the difference is how private of a place the family is in? It is possible to go to a private area of a beach or lake but attending the Torino Olympics as a family, well not much privacy there. Is that the difference?

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by Aurora810

I understand but I don't understand this code. It seems that I remember seeing pics of private family moments soon after Alexia's birth when Maxima took the 2 girls to Argentina. And yet I don't remember there being a problem with those pics. I'm struggling to understand the difference. Maybe it's that the pics were taken abroad but then again there is the incident in Italy with the Prive pic. Possibly the difference is how private of a place the family is in? It is possible to go to a private area of a beach or lake but attending the Torino Olympics as a family, well not much privacy there. Is that the difference?

The EU Court of Justice's ruling in the case Princess Caroline de Monaco vs the Federal State of Germany has no enforcement outside the European Union. The Media Code in the Netherlands is build on this EU Court ruling.

The unconsented pictures made in private circumstances in Italy (a memberstate of the European Union) and published by a magazine vested in the Netherlands (a memberstate of the European Union) are prosecutable. Pictures made in Argentina and published in Argentina are not prosecutable. But a Dutch magazine buying these Argentinean pics and publishing them is prosecutable.

All according the EU Court ruling's principle that the basic right on an undisturbed private life sphere outweighs the interest a part of the public might have. With other words: the interest of a part of the public in trivia does not justify an appeal on Freedom of Press and Freedom of Information. According to the EU Court of Justice pictures of minor children of famous people or famous people clearly in private circumstances (walking in the park, shopping, playing with children) can not be published without the given consent of the person involved. That was the basic principle in the case Caroline vs Germany. The Prince and Princess of Orange have developed a pro-active attitude to get this EU Court ruling vested in the Netherlands legal jurisprudence. With success: all their lawsuits were succesful so far and they succeed in vesting a Media Code (with approval of the media involved).

The Olympic Winter Games in Torino can hardly be called 'private'. The Games were aired 'live', worldwide and the Prince was there in his capacity as a member of the International Olympic Committee. So the Prince watching events, together with the three Princesses was a choice with the knowlegde that the venue is overcrowded with media. That is a total different situation than pictures made of the Princesses on an empty beach, enjoying familial pleasures.

Most likely Party is testing how the temper is at Villa Eikenhorst, these days. It has been very calm with lawsuits, so far. Party is a small magazine in a heavy competition and then they will have calculated the risk of costly damages vs. extra publicity with exclusive pictures.

[Aquarela]

Thank you, Henri, for your interesting explanation.

[Empress]

Furthermore, weren't the pictures taken in Argentina during an official visit, or at least during an outing where Maxima and her family were there as reps of the NL and not as private visitors? Or am I getting this confused with some other pictures (amalia in that cute little dress, Blue?) that were taken in Argentina. I believe that if those are the pictures that are spoken of here, then that was a posed op for the media.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Empress

Furthermore, weren't the pictures taken in Argentina during an official visit, or at least during an outing where Maxima and her family were there as reps of the NL and not as private visitors? Or am I getting this confused with some other pictures (amalia in that cute little dress, Blue?) that were taken in Argentina. I believe that if those are the pictures that are spoken of here, then that was a posed op for the media.

It was a visit in the frame of micro-credit,the children stayed with their grandparents while Máxima toured projects and had meetings with officials in Brazil and Argentina.At the end of the visit was the 2nd birthday of Amalia and a photo shoot was arranged in front of the dutch embassy,Buenos Aires,Amalia dressed up in a cute blue dress and cuddling up to her little sister.

HKH Prinses Máxima in Argentinië van 04 - 07 december 2005

Courtesy Royal Press Europe/Albert Nieboer.

[dazzling]

Thanks for the info. Seems Maxima's calender is getting back into place now.

[Larzen]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

The Prince and Princess do employ one fulltime nanny since 2004, so it became known after a lawsuit in which a gossip magazine accused Princess Máxima for slapping a nanny in the face and dismissing her because of disagreements on methods and care...
The Prince and Princess felt gravely insulted by this rumour and the public image portrayed of the Princess as a 'bitch' to work for. They ordered their lawyers to sue the magazine. In the courtcase it became clear that the Prince and Princess have only one nanny since 2004 and this very same nanny is still working on Villa Eikenhorst, so nothing from the allegations were true.
I thought the nanny was dark haired, so it is possible the blonde lady is just a friend accompaying the Princess and her daughters to the beach.

But in 2004 they had 1 kid, now they have 3, one nanny sounds impossible unless they are making her break all sort of working hours regulations, when Maxima and WA goes away for days abroad only one person taking care of two or three kids at different age seems impossible if they are going to respect the workinghours regulations, WA has been travelling alot the last years and MAxima has also been quite busy. Maximas parents dont live in the country and even if it is clear Beatrix loves her grandkids taking care of such small children for days, I think not Besides I think Maxima has alwys been quite realistic and not made any 100% mummy comments, Did she not even say at one trip that her kids had to be left with nannies quite some time?

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by Empress

Or am I getting this confused with some other pictures (amalia in that cute little dress, Blue?) that were taken in Argentina.

The pictures of Princess Máxima with her two daughters Princess Catharina-Amalia and Princess Alexia (in Buenos Aires) were arranged. It was the birthday of La Pequeña Princesa Amalia and a photo-shoot was organized in front of the Embajada Real de los Países Bajos en la Argentina.



So these pictures did not fall under 'disturbing the private life sphere'.

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by Larzen

But in 2004 they had 1 kid, now they have 3, one nanny sounds impossible unless they are making her break all sort of working hours regulations, when Maxima and WA goes away for days abroad only one person taking care of two or three kids at different age seems impossible if they are going to respect the workinghours regulations, WA has been travelling alot the last years and MAxima has also been quite busy. Maximas parents dont live in the country and even if it is clear Beatrix loves her grandkids taking care of such small children for days, I think not Besides I think Maxima has alwys been quite realistic and not made any 100% mummy comments, Did she not even say at one trip that her kids had to be left with nannies quite some time?

From what I have seen so far, also in the documentary on the Prince of Orange's 40th birthday, the Prince and Princess do attach a lot of importance to a very personal input in the upbringing of their children. The Queen and the Prince of Orange have been surrounded by hundreds of staff all their life long and I can imagine the choice for Villa Eikenhorst, away from the palaces and the royal household organization, is an expression of their desire to have at least the pleasures and joy of a real familial setting, as long as it is possible.

From what I know, there is only one nanny employed. Also there seems to be a nanny employed by the Zorreguieta family. I have seen pictures of latin-looking staff in nurse-like uniform carrying the little Princesses in and outside the appartments in Recoleta (a chique neighbourhood in Buenos Aires).

[Aurora810]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

The EU Court of Justice's ruling in the case Princess Caroline de Monaco vs the Federal State of Germany has no enforcement outside the European Union. The Media Code in the Netherlands is build on this EU Court ruling.

The unconsented pictures made in private circumstances in Italy (a memberstate of the European Union) and published by a magazine vested in the Netherlands (a memberstate of the European Union) are prosecutable. Pictures made in Argentina and published in Argentina are not prosecutable. But a Dutch magazine buying these Argentinean pics and publishing them is prosecutable.

All according the EU Court ruling's principle that the basic right on an undisturbed private life sphere outweighs the interest a part of the public might have. With other words: the interest of a part of the public in trivia does not justify an appeal on Freedom of Press and Freedom of Information. According to the EU Court of Justice pictures of minor children of famous people or famous people clearly in private circumstances (walking in the park, shopping, playing with children) can not be published without the given consent of the person involved. That was the basic principle in the case Caroline vs Germany. The Prince and Princess of Orange have developed a pro-active attitude to get this EU Court ruling vested in the Netherlands legal jurisprudence. With success: all their lawsuits were succesful so far and they succeed in vesting a Media Code (with approval of the media involved).

The Olympic Winter Games in Torino can hardly be called 'private'. The Games were aired 'live', worldwide and the Prince was there in his capacity as a member of the International Olympic Committee. So the Prince watching events, together with the three Princesses was a choice with the knowlegde that the venue is overcrowded with media. That is a total different situation than pictures made of the Princesses on an empty beach, enjoying familial pleasures.

Most likely Party is testing how the temper is at Villa Eikenhorst, these days. It has been very calm with lawsuits, so far. Party is a small magazine in a heavy competition and then they will have calculated the risk of costly damages vs. extra publicity with exclusive pictures.

Thanks Henri! The EU, of course why didn't I clue into that connection, silly me.

[carlota]

i also believe they have more than one nanny, at least for the sake of emergencies when the main nanny can't come because of sickness or holidays. some days ago, in frederik's and mary's thread of current events, they mentioned that christian only has 2 nannies (i suppose the same number will remain even when now they have two babies) just in case mette hansen (the main one) can't come, there's always someone available. i have no doubt maxima wants to take personal care of her children and i believe so do all crown princesses - and all of them made it really clear, mary, letizia, mette marit and mathilde - but they obviously need someone to look after the girls when they are abroad.

[Aurora810]

Yeah, I kind of think there must be more than just one nanny. I used to have neighbors that had a daytime nanny and a night nanny. So that the parents didn't have to tend to the babies(they had twins) during the night. Which would make sense for such busy parents as a prince and a princess. Although I'm sure the schedule is divided up well and there are probably days when very little assistance is needed or wanted.

[Verde Esmeralda]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

From what I know, there is only one nanny employed. Also there seems to be a nanny employed by the Zorreguieta family. I have seen pictures of latin-looking staff in nurse-like uniform carrying the little Princesses in and outside the appartments in Recoleta (a chique neighbourhood in Buenos Aires).

Henri M.,

As you describe this person, I would say it is a maid (a "cleaning lady") ,not a nanny. In these kind of boundaries, like Recoleta, most of the maids are given uniforms (to make clear that they're employed as housekeeping staff), while it is not so common to have them "uniformed" in other less-chique neighbourhoods.

[Verde Esmeralda]

Originally Posted by ahtikavalentine

Are you refering to this picture?? http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...mconamalia.jpg

Is THAT Prince Willem Alexander??????

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by Aurora810

Yeah, I kind of think there must be more than just one nanny. I used to have neighbors that had a daytime nanny and a night nanny. So that the parents didn't have to tend to the babies(they had twins) during the night. Which would make sense for such busy parents as a prince and a princess. Although I'm sure the schedule is divided up well and there are probably days when very little assistance is needed or wanted.

No I think there is only one nanny. Also when the Princesses Beatrix, Irene, Margriet and Christina were small (1940's and 1950's) there was only one nanny in the palace. Sometimes assisted by a governess for the elder ones.

The same on Drakensteyn estate: only one nanny (and later a governess) for the Princes Willem-Alexander, Friso and Constantijn.

Remember that also in big families with 7 children or so, there was only one nanny or governess. Fräulein Maria also had the care over a whole bunch of children in The Sound of Music, didn't she?

And remember that there are also more people walking around on Villa Eikenhorst: the maid, the cook, the butler, the Princess' beautician, the Prince's valet, the gardener, the secretaries, the guards outside.

[Henri M.]

Originally Posted by Verde Esmeralda

Is THAT Prince Willem Alexander??????

Yes, he has swollen periods and non-swollen periods. Partly due to medicinal drugs (prednison) he needs to take for his immune deficiency (Besnier Boeck).

[Aurora810]

Funny you should mention that Henri, I was just thinking about all the people that are around the villa every day all day long. Therefore, it is likely that others help out with the children so only one nanny is officially employed.

Although I still think it is an interesting thought whether or not the prince or princess have gotten up to do a night time feeding with Ariane or their other 2 princesses.

[Vanesa]

I love the shots in Puerto Madero, for Princess Cataharina-Amalia looks beatiful in soft-blue. She is so natural and jolly, like her mother...I always laugh aloud when seeing her pics waving. She is a very self-conscient little Princesse!

And yes. I live in Recoleta and some high families likes to made their service to wear uniform, but it's not a rule of our neighborhood! Some does it, and some not!

Vanesa.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Aurora810

Funny you should mention that Henri, I was just thinking about all the people that are around the villa every day all day long. Therefore, it is likely that others help out with the children so only one nanny is officially employed.

Although I still think it is an interesting thought whether or not the prince or princess have gotten up to do a night time feeding with Ariane or their other 2 princesses.

As to your last remark Aurora,the answer is yes,they did/do.