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Old 10-15-2020, 03:29 AM
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They do it in Spanish and it sounds frankly horrible plus it leads to confusion, Philip of UK, Philippe of Belgium and Felipe of Spain are all called Felipe, so at times you're like what?
Nope, names should be kept in their original version IMO.
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Nope, names should be kept in their original version IMO.
The difficulty is that until close to the present day, European names, and for that matter European languages, had no "original version". Historically, European aristocrats often spoke or wrote in numerous languages and dialects and would use various versions of their names according to the language. Even in the context of one language, a name could be spelt or pronounced in several different ways.
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Old 10-15-2020, 06:09 AM
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Every name has an original version. Jean, Juan, John and Johann are all versions of the Hebrew Yohanan. It would be pedantic, to say the last, to call Queen Elizabeth II Queen Elisheva, only because that's the original version of the name. :-D

But here on the boards, I prefer to use the version of the name given to the person in their own country. In older books in my native language (German), all the foreign rulers were Germanized - König Jakob was King James. But wouldn't it be a bit ridiculous call Prince George of Cambridge Prinz Georg? or his father Prinz Wilhelm?

So why call King Felipe of Spain and King Philippe of Belgium - Philip?

Well, I guess in every country, they do it a bit differently. Princess Grace was always referred to as Fürstin Gracia Patricia in German media...

In spoken language, I can understand why people proncounce the version easier for them. In writing - why not use the spelling the person uses to refer to her/himself. I'd prefer it for myself.
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Every name has an original version. Jean, Juan, John and Johann are all versions of the Hebrew Yohanan. It would be pedantic, to say the last, to call Queen Elizabeth II Queen Elisheva, only because that's the original version of the name. :-D

But here on the boards, I prefer to use the version of the name given to the person in their own country. In older books in my native language (German), all the foreign rulers were Germanized - König Jakob was King James. But wouldn't it be a bit ridiculous call Prince George of Cambridge Prinz Georg? or his father Prinz Wilhelm?

So why call King Felipe of Spain and King Philippe of Belgium - Philip?

Well, I guess in every country, they do it a bit differently. Princess Grace was always referred to as Fürstin Gracia Patricia in German media...

In spoken language, I can understand why people proncounce the version easier for them. In writing - why not use the spelling the person uses to refer to her/himself. I'd prefer it for myself.
That is an easy task with present-day Europeans, most of whom use just one spelling to refer to themselves (though the King of the Belgians is not one of them; he refers to himself as Filip in Dutch and Philippe in French).

But how should that be approached with a medieval person who used a dozen spellings in several languages to refer to themselves throughout the course of their life? Which spelling should be considered "the" spelling?
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Old 10-15-2020, 08:36 AM
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We are always inconsistent in this, particularly with names of places. Outside of certain language-speakers, who says Bayern, Crna Gora, Makkah, Ellada, Shqipëri, Suomi, Lietuva or Sūriyā? Most of us say something else when putting a name to these places.

For personal names, it is even more complex. if one wants to go 100% native, one won't be referring to King Zog's wife as the former “Countess Geraldine Apponyi.” She will be the former “Nagyapponyi gróf Apponyi Geraldine.” Her fellow Hungarian, “Count János Almásy” would be “Zsadányi és török-szentmiklósi gróf Almásy János.”
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:50 AM
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inspied of the unreadable and unpronouncable hungarian stuff, i'm still very much for as much original as possible; when you read history books in sevaral languages it is getting very confusing in times to get to grips whom you are reading about, when the names get twisted around in all diffrent directions.
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inspied of the unreadable and unpronouncable hungarian stuff, i'm still very much for as much original as possible; when you read history books in sevaral languages it is getting very confusing in times to get to grips whom you are reading about, when the names get twisted around in all diffrent directions.
That is exactly what happened originally, which is to say, in earlier eras. A person would "twist their name around in all different directions" by, for instance, spelling it differently every time it was used in a document. From my perspective, it would be even more confusing to use all four different original spellings than to use a modern spelling consistently.
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How many people would know that King Carlos I of Spain referred to the same sovereign Holy Roman Emperor Karl V? They could assume there were two different monarchs.
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How many people would know that King Carlos I of Spain referred to the same sovereign Holy Roman Emperor Karl V? They could assume there were two different monarchs.
Scots get very upset because English textbooks refer to James I and James II, rather than James I and VI and James II and VII. It's a fair point! Although I've never heard anyone try to refer to the present Queen as Elizabeth II and I.


I sometimes read Hola magazine to try to keep up my GCSE Spanish, and that always refers to the British royal family by their Spanish names - Isabel, Carlos, Guillermo, etc.


Re Bayern, I'm afraid it was years before I realised that that was Bavaria's proper name, and not just the name of a football team!
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How many people would know that King Carlos I of Spain referred to the same sovereign Holy Roman Emperor Karl V? They could assume there were two different monarchs.
The Emperor was also King of Naples as Charles IV
Duke of Burgundy and Brabant as Charles II
Duke of Luxembourg as Charles III
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