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Old 10-13-2018, 01:19 AM
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Coat: Bespoke Givenchy Navy Coat (French - head designer British)
Heels: Manolo Blahnik BB Pump in Navy Suede (Spanish)
Bracelet: Pippa Small ĎHerkimerí Bracelet (British)
Ring: Pippa Small ĎHerkimerí Ring (British)
Earrings: Pippa Small ĎHerkimerí Earrings (British)
Dress: Bespoke Givenchy Navy Dress (French - head designer British)
Clutch: Givenchy Clutch (French - head designer British)
Hat: Bespoke Noel Stewart Navy Cocktail Hat (British)



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If the WhatMeghanWore.Net is to be believed, the gloves were Prada as well.

Anyways, spin as you will, but it is essentially a few British accessories and a hat to compliment her Givenchy (as French as they come!) ensemble.

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While Meghan might not read some of the things that's been said about her, she's not stupid. I'm sure she's aware that people would automatically feel she's Hollywood even if she's wearing similar level of flashy looks as other royals. There is a bias because she came from an acting background.

And yes, the less they focus on her clothes, the more they focus on her work. One of the things I'm really impressed about the Together project. She was dressed like a normal person, and people weren't overly focused on her clothes, but rather the project itself and the women of Hubb Community Kitchen.
I tend to agree with you that, in general, Meghan is doing well to wear more sober and demure clothing as she settles into her new role. This allows her to get comfortable in her new role, and for the focus to be on her work and the event they they are supporting rather than her sartorial choices. All of this, to me, displays a good "EQ" level.

Given this "understanding", I find Meghan's unwillingness to wear British fashion even more baffling, and frankly, unedifying. Posters may argue that she is wearing the odd British accessory here or there, but what is clear is that since the wedding, she has hardly ever worn British designers.
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I remember that Diana was known for wearing British designers.
Was it before her a big deal if a royal wore British or foreign designs?
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Old 10-13-2018, 02:15 AM
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I remember that Diana was known for wearing British designers.
Was it before her a big deal if a royal wore British or foreign designs?
As far as I can remember, ladies of the BRF have traditionally largely (albeit not exclusively) only worn British. This is to promote and demonstrate a pride in all thing British - quite like the BRF tend to only use British cars if they can help it.
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:38 AM
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I remember that Diana was known for wearing British designers.
Was it before her a big deal if a royal wore British or foreign designs?
I think the previous generations of royals did not buy. They use to have their own designers lime the queen still has Angela Kelly. So there was no risk to end u with the same outfit worn by two ladies. Like it happened many times with the actual royals. Very often among Belgian and Nassau. Especially because of Nathan
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Old 10-13-2018, 10:00 AM
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If the WhatMeghanWore.Net is to be believed, the gloves were Prada as well.

Anyways, spin as you will, but it is essentially a few British accessories and a hat to compliment her Givenchy (as French as they come!) ensemble.
I'm not the one spinning here. I provided facts to refute your repeated assertions about what she wears. She almost always mixes British brands with the foreign.


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Manolo is a London based business even though the designer is Spanish. In fact, he started designing shoes for other English designers first, and then launched his own brand.
I don't know is that allowed to count as British? These rules people are coming up with...you'll have to ask them.


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Old 10-13-2018, 10:40 AM
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I'm going to chime in here. One of the reason to wear 'British' is to expose British brands, and also to hopefully generate some income in hopes that the public will shop at these brands. I've said this before, but I think it's worth restating. There is no way in he.. the normal person is going out to purchase every high profile outfit any members of BRF wears, especially if it costs more than 1,000 Pounds. What sells the most are the accessories, the items that are more readily available (shoes, handbags, sweaters, etc.). I don't know any 'normal' person, the majority of the public who would go out and buy an Erdem, an Expensive Burberry dress or suit, McQueen or even Givenchy just because any member of the BRF wears it.

There is this expectation that if the DoS were to all of sudden begin 'wearing' British brands that revenues would increase, which is not always the case. I also put 'wear' in quotes because let's face it, she does wear British, however there are some who think that her accessories don't count. What sells the most are her coats, jewellery, handbags and shoes. And these are precisely the items where she wears British. That's where the revenue is generating from.

Personally, from my perspective, if the DoS was to all of sudden be seen in majority British brands, I cannot imagine what would be said of her and I can just imagine the comments. Right now, she is doing a mixture a both, and I don't expect to see a swift change from that to mostly British. I think that we will continue to see a mixture of Commonwealth, British, American and of course her trusted Clare Waight Keller for the foreseeable future. And that is alright with me.
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:04 AM
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I think she could do a better job of promoting British brands. And I think it does a disservice to British fashion when everyone confuses what is considered British or not. Even if everyday people don’t wear some of the high end items there is a definite boost to the industry when royal women wear British fashion. I don’t think everything has to be British. I don’t think Muriel is saying that either but it is fair point to say that she could wear more and that Manolo and Givenchy don’t count. Also British accessories are nice but I’d like to see British clothing some too.
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:30 AM
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I'm going to chime in here. One of the reason to wear 'British' is to expose British brands, and also to hopefully generate some income in hopes that the public will shop at these brands. I've said this before, but I think it's worth restating. There is no way in he.. the normal person is going out to purchase every high profile outfit any members of BRF wears, especially if it costs more than 1,000 Pounds. What sells the most are the accessories, the items that are more readily available (shoes, handbags, sweaters, etc.). I don't know any 'normal' person, the majority of the public who would go out and buy an Erdem, an Expensive Burberry dress or suit, McQueen or even Givenchy just because any member of the BRF wears it.

There is this expectation that if the DoS were to all of sudden begin 'wearing' British brands that revenues would increase, which is not always the case. I also put 'wear' in quotes because let's face it, she does wear British, however there are some who think that her accessories don't count. What sells the most are her coats, jewellery, handbags and shoes. And these are precisely the items where she wears British. That's where the revenue is generating from.

Personally, from my perspective, if the DoS was to all of sudden be seen in majority British brands, I cannot imagine what would be said of her and I can just imagine the comments. Right now, she is doing a mixture a both, and I don't expect to see a swift change from that to mostly British. I think that we will continue to see a mixture of Commonwealth, British, American and of course her trusted Clare Waight Keller for the foreseeable future. And that is alright with me.
Whether "normal" or supra-normal people wear British fashion, is not for me to debate. What is clear to me is that it is a big industry in this country. The sector made a direct contribution of £28bn to the UK GDP last year, and employs around 55,000 people in the UK. Not all of it is purely at a high price point. Dresses by Reiss and LK Bennett contribute to the success of the sector just as much as those by McQueen or Stella McCartney.

Exposure to British designers provided by the ladies of the BRF can be invaluable in helping expand "Britain PLC". As I see it, it is a real shame that Meghan repeatedly fails to support British business and continues to provide her custom to the international fashion houses instead. In the time she has been married, I would be surprised if she has worn dresses or clothes by British designers more than 2-3 times. Perhaps she will eventually see the error of her ways in time.

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I think she could do a better job of promoting British brands. And I think it does a disservice to British fashion when everyone confuses what is considered British or not. Even if everyday people donít wear some of the high end items there is a definite boost to the industry when royal women wear British fashion. I donít think everything has to be British. I donít think Muriel is saying that either but it is fair point to say that she could wear more and that Manolo and Givenchy donít count. Also British accessories are nice but Iíd like to see British clothing some too.
Well said.

Meghan does not have to exclusively wear British clothing, but predominantly so is what is expected. Perhaps she can take note from the Duchess of Cambridge and occasionally mix High Street and high end!
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:53 AM
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Whether "normal" or supra-normal people wear British fashion, is not for me to debate. What is clear to me is that it is a big industry in this country. The sector made a direct contribution of £28bn to the UK GDP last year, and employs around 55,000 people in the UK. Not all of it is purely at a high price point. Dresses by Reiss and LK Bennett contribute to the success of the sector just as much as those by McQueen or Stella McCartney.

Exposure to British designers provided by the ladies of the BRF can be invaluable in helping expand "Britain PLC". As I see it, it is a real shame that Meghan repeatedly fails to support British business and continues to provide her custom to the international fashion houses instead. In the time she has been married, I would be surprised if she has worn dresses or clothes by British designers more than 2-3 times. Perhaps she will eventually see the error of her ways in time.
Ok, so let me state it a better way since contribution to the economy keeps being brought up. Maybe everyone then should be in a fit then with 'other' members of the BRF who choose to wear a brand where most of the revenue goes to France.

I don't work in the fashion industry, but I know a lot about it as I'm surrounded by it, and by people who work in industry here in NYC. I know what it can do for an economy. However, the DoS is remaining loyal to brands who were loyal to her before she was HRH. She strikes me as a person who requires loyalty, and perhaps she needs time to build that rapport with British designers since you know, they refused to dress her in the past.

She is also wearing British, but not in a way some people want her to. She wears a Mulberry bag that sells out in minutes, however, that is not good enough. She wears an EW dress that just states she wears an EW dress. What does it do for EW besides generate some publicity. People go to EW website to see what she offers and her style doesn't appeal to the masses. Why did they go there, because the dress the DoS is wearing, but it's not available because it was made specifically for her. Now, I would be the first to jump and say that the DoS should wear more 'high street' British fashion, which she has since being married because they are easily more accessible, but the chatter is always what she wears to high profile events, where, let's face it, unless you have money to burn, you're not going to get her bespoke dress.

Again, a mixture of the 4: British, Commonwealth, American and CWK is what I think she should stick to. Hopefully, she can create a good rapport and relationship with a British brand as she has with CWK, Mackage, Ralph Lauren and others to be her go to, but that takes time. It's hasn't even been six months.
Talk to me in 2 years time, ONLY then I may agree with you.
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Old 10-13-2018, 11:54 AM
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It's true that Meghan wears British or UK based accessories, but the headline is never "Duchess of Sussex attends Trooping wearing Pippa Small earrings!" Aside from a dedicated fandom, most people neither know nor care what handbags, jewelry or underwear the royal ladies may be wearing. What is noticed and reported on in general is the largest and most visible item of clothing, be it dress, suit, coat or gown. That's why it matters when any of the royal ladies consistently is choosing not to highlight British labels. None of the BR ladies wear everything British except possibly HMQ, and it doesn't seem to be expected. With the DoS, it's becoming fairly obvious that she is choosing not to give her business to British labels, and it's inevitable that this is going to be noticed, commented on, and will be resented by some. She can and will do what she wants, of course, but all of the choices she is making will be noticed, and over time will affect the way she is perceived. I'm still hoping that over time she'll find some British designers who suit her aesthetic, and who she can develop a great relationship with. Adding them into the mix, even occasionally, would be smart PR.

Edited to add: I have high hopes for the upcoming tour! We'll see...
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It's true that Meghan wears British or UK based accessories, but the headline is never "Duchess of Sussex attends Trooping wearing Pippa Small earrings!" Aside from a dedicated fandom, most people neither know nor care what handbags, jewelry or underwear the royal ladies may be wearing. What is noticed and reported on in general is the largest and most visible item of clothing, be it dress, suit, coat or gown. That's why it matters when any of the royal ladies is consistently is choosing not to highlight British labels. None of the BR ladies wear everything British except possibly HMQ, and it doesn't seem to be expected. With the DoS, it's becoming fairly obvious that she is choosing not to give her business to British labels, and it's inevitable that this is going to be noticed, commented on, and will be resented by some. She can and will do what she wants, of course, but all of the choices she is making will be noticed, and over time will affect the way she is perceived. I'm still hoping that over time she'll find some British designers who suit her aesthetic, and who she can develop a great relationship with. Adding them into the mix, even occasionally, would be smart PR.
You are correct, however, there is publicity and there is the bottom line. Her clothes will garner the headlines, but it's her accessories that sells. It's the same for almost any royal, especially if the McQueen is 5000 Pounds, the Givenchy 6,000 Euros or the Ralph Lauren is $2,000. Unless it's a coat, no normal person is going to drop money like than on a dress they wear maybe once a year, and 2-5 times in their lifetime. Accessories, coats, shoes, bags, etc all have lasting appeal and you wear most often if you choose the right silhouette or if you're Princess Anne.
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Old 10-13-2018, 12:15 PM
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You are correct, however, there is publicity and there is the bottom line. Her clothes will garner the headlines, but it's her accessories that sells. It's the same for almost any royal, especially if the McQueen is 5000 Pounds, the Givenchy 6,000 Euros or the Ralph Lauren is $2,000. Unless it's a coat, no normal person is going to drop money like than on a dress they wear maybe once a year, and 2-5 times in their lifetime. Accessories, coats, shoes, bags, etc all have lasting appeal and you wear most often if you choose the right silhouette or if you're Princess Anne.
The bolded is so true, and in that case you wear it for the next 40 years!

I don't disagree with what you are saying about the wearability and accessibility of the handbags, shoes, etc. It's a good point. I think the problem is that we are essentially talking about two different things. What I, and I think some others who bring it up on this thread are talking about is that when DoS married into the BRF she took on a whole series of jobs, some of which are very visible, and some of which are ill defined, subtle and largely symbolic. "Dressing British," or "flying the flag" has always been part of that role, and not doing that is going to get pushback.
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I tend to agree with you that, in general, Meghan is doing well to wear more sober and demure clothing as she settles into her new role. This allows her to get comfortable in her new role, and for the focus to be on her work and the event they they are supporting rather than her sartorial choices. All of this, to me, displays a good "EQ" level.

Given this "understanding", I find Meghan's unwillingness to wear British fashion even more baffling, and frankly, unedifying. Posters may argue that she is wearing the odd British accessory here or there, but what is clear is that since the wedding, she has hardly ever worn British designers.

Designer wear is a long-term investment - the moment the British designers created their dresses for this season and both the potential wearer's stylist and the designer are looking to fix their cooperation is long before the season when the outfit is actually worn. Meghan is not very long on the circuit, so she has to see where she gets suitable clothes who are unique for her as in "not yet on the market but on as soon as she wore them". It seems Givenchy was the first designhouse to support her that way after her engagement and maybe that was an exchange for the wedding dress. Plus Catherine was on maternity leave and so not going to introduce her to British designers that might be suitable for Meghan but not for Catherine, but known to Catherine.



A bit like it needed a bit of time for Crown princess Mary to become the icon of Danish fashion she is nowadays or Marie with her unique blend of Danish and French fashion. Give the same time to Meghan and we will see her finding "her" designers like Camilla did with Anna Valentine or Catherine with Alexander McQueen.



Personally I am pretty sure Mary and Marie exchanged clothes after they had been recoloured (there was once a silver dress Mary wore and shortly after Marie had the same one in purple) and probably Catherine does that with her own. There is cloth on the market that can easily be recoloured if the new colour is a bit darker than the original. I'm sure Meghan will start recycling as well, once she has a suitable basis garderobe.
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The bolded is so true, and in that case you wear it for the next 40 years!

I don't disagree with what you are saying about the wearability and accessibility of the handbags, shoes, etc. It's a good point. I think the problem is that we are essentially talking about two different things. What I, and I think some others who bring it up on this thread are talking about is that when DoS married into the BRF she took on a whole series of jobs, some of which are very visible, and some of which are ill defined, subtle and largely symbolic. "Dressing British," or "flying the flag" has always been part of that role, and not doing that is going to get pushback.
Completely agree, but I think she needs time to build relationships with some British brands that she can trust with her own style aesthetic, and right now, it's been only a few months. Again, if in 2 years, the majority is still international barring Commonwealth, I would tend to agree. We shall see.

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It’s funny before Meghan everyone knew and accepted British royals for the most part wore British brands. There was no debate over what made a brand British.

But it seems with the arrival of Meghan, the definition of a British brand is being stretch to include fashion that clearly isn’t.

I’m not one writing the headlines. Meghan’s been called on it by not just tabloids like the DM, but by broadsheet newspapers like the Telegraph and the Times.
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Itís funny before Meghan everyone knew and accepted British royals for the most part wore British brands. There was no debate over what made a brand British.

But it seems with the arrival of Meghan, the definition of a British brand is being stretch to include fashion that clearly isnít.

Iím not one writing the headlines. Meghanís been called on it by not just tabloids like the DM, but by broadsheet newspapers like the Telegraph and the Times.
That's because no one made a big deal of BFR women wearing non-British brands until a British Prince choose to marry a non-British woman, and some started showing their hypocrisy. You can't lambast someone for doing something, while excusing others because..., well because whatever your reasonings are.
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That's because no one made a big deal of BFR women wearing non-British brands until a British Prince choose to marry a non-British woman, and some started showing their hypocrisy. You can't lambast someone for doing something, while excusing others because..., well because whatever your reasonings are.
Or was it more a case that this was never an issue previously? All the ladies of the BRF have largely worn British brands. I am not suggesting that they have not, on occassion, worn foreign designers, but by and large, you seem them in clothes by British brands. No hypocrisy here, its just the same standard being applied to Meghan.
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Or was it more a case that this was never an issue previously? All the ladies of the BRF have largely worn British brands. I am not suggesting that they have not, on occassion, worn foreign designers, but by and large, you seem them in clothes by British brands. No hypocrisy here, its just the same standard being applied to Meghan.
Actually it's not the same standards. The DoS wore tons of British brands during her engagement, and some won't give her credit. After her wedding, she chooses to TRUST her wedding dress designer to dress her for big events while sprinkling British, American and Commonwealth designers, and some want to crucify her for it, although it hasn't even been 6 months.

The excuses, 'well they're British, so the rule doesn't apply, or they have been a royal for years.' Can we afford the DoS then to be given time to build those relationships and trusts needed to garner support from one or two British courtiers to be her second go to? Personally, I love what CWK does for her, and I think the DoS should definitely stick with her whether she chooses to stay at Givenchy or another fashion house or create her own line.
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Actually it's not the same standards. The DoS wore tons of British brands during her engagement, and some won't give her credit. After her wedding, she chooses to TRUST her wedding dress designer to dress her for big events while sprinkling British, American and Commonwealth designers, and some want to crucify her for it, although it hasn't even been 6 months.

The excuses, 'well they're British, so the rule doesn't apply, or they have been a royal for years.' Can we afford the DoS then to be given time to build those relationships and trusts needed to garner support from one or two British courtiers to be her second go to? Personally, I love what CWK does for her, and I think the DoS should definitely stick with her whether she chooses to stay at Givenchy or another fashion house or create her own line.
The issue is that there is no evidence of her trying British fashion since the wedding at all. And it is not that she had a close working relationship with Hgivenchy for years before her wedding.
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The issue is that there is no evidence of her trying British fashion since the wedding at all. And it is not that she had a close working relationship with Hgivenchy for years before her wedding.
She has actually donned British designers since the wedding. Her first event after the wedding, that GOAT cream dress to the garden party. The EW dress while in Dublin. Just two off the top of my head.

You don't need years to build a relationship, and her relationship is with CWK. CWK was on no one's radar for the design of the wedding dress, and that says something. They worked together for months and no one had any idea. Clare listened to Meghan and Meghan listened to Clare and they collaborated together. that's where the trust is.
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