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Old 07-11-2018, 06:07 PM
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The tour was a nice short first tour the only thing that disappointed me in this tour was the lack of Irish designers. When she did her regional tour pre-wedding we saw her incorporate brands from the local region.

Wearing a green outfit by a French designer is very superficial form of sartorial dressing compared to wearing any piece by an Irish designer that's any colour of the rainbow

It's a very simple and small gesture that means a lot to local brands and shows a lot of thoughtfulness.

I was shocked to see no Irish designers. I hope this was a one-off and not a continued trend, one of the most exciting parts about tours is you get introduced to different local designers.
It appears (she) only does international haute couture. A lot of people on this Board might even suggest no local brands could be up to scratch to the esteemed Duchess and the profile of the engagements she is carrying out. Clearly these must be pioneering engagements not carried out by any royal lady previously!
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I agree that she perhaps should have worn 1 or 2 pieces by an Irish designer, but weren't you the one complaining not 48 hours ago about no love for British and Commonwealth designers, which she has worn a ton of on this less than 48 hour tour?
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:46 PM
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I am not quite sure what point you are attempting to make in your post.

I stand by my view that as a representative of the BRF, she should largely be seen in British brands when conducting public engagements. Similarly, if she had worn an item of clothing by an Irish designer, it would have been well received.

All I have said is that there are posters here who have argued that British designers are not up to scratch for the profile of engagements Meghan is carrying out. As nothing by way of public engagements that Meghan has done in her short royal career is pioneering in any way, if local designers have worked for HM, Camilla, Catherine, Diana and others, I can't see why Meghan clearly can't. Obviously many have taken umbrage to that, but that is really their problem, IMO.
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I am not biased against her at all. I just find her approach to choosing her attire unsuitable, and more Hollywood attempting to play BRF than as a member of the BRF.

I appreciate that there are a lot of Americans now on this Board who are great supporters of MEghan, but the reality is that Meghan has only a short time to win over the great British public. The press will be watching her every move, and if she is not careful, the number of negative articles about her will skyrocket. If she is to succeed in her new public role, she needs to visibly appreciate that her audience is more Hull than Hollywood. The world will not end if she continues down the current path, but IMO, the goodwill the couple now enjoy certainly will!
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I am not biased against her at all. I just find her approach to choosing her attire unsuitable, and more Hollywood attempting to play BRF than as a member of the BRF.

I appreciate that there are a lot of Americans now on this Board who are great supporters of MEghan, but the reality is that Meghan has only a short time to win over the great British public. The press will be watching her every move, and if she is not careful, the number of negative articles about her will skyrocket. If she is to succeed in her new public role, she needs to visibly appreciate that her audience is more Hull than Hollywood. The world will not end if she continues down the current path, but IMO, the goodwill the couple now enjoy certainly will!
I'm not sure how it's Hollywood of her to have worn what she has for the events so far. The women in the BRF and many other royal family wears a lot of high end designer brands. This isn't exclusive to Meghan. In the events she's attended on British soil, the designers she wore are on par with others. So I'm not sure why is she the only one getting a condescending name.

As for the negative articles, I'm not sure if you are aware, but they've long ago skyrocketed. In fact, since the moment this relationship came to light, that's the one thing there has never been a shortage of. Everything from her race to her background to her work to anything else has been fair game to them.

Quite frankly, most of her outfits has been quite "royal" if not for the bias some have against her. She wears the appropriate designer and appropriate clothing and have at a number of times tried painfully to blend into the background knowing she's not the star royal of the event and the media focus that's on her. She's done a lot of muted colors and high necklines and low hems since taking on this role. In fact, a lot of stuff reminds me of what a young highly paid well dressed executive would wear moreso than Hollywood. I'm not sure how much more un-Hollywood she can get while still being expected to look fab.

ETA: I'm understanding towards those that say high street matters as well too. And she's done that. She worn some pieces during her engagement that aren't that expensive, just like she wore expensive clothing as well. However, given that she's less than two months in, she hasn't had a large variety of engagements. All of the events she has attended do call for the higher end designers. And as she attends more everyday engagements, there will be opportunities where a less costly option is appropriate.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:28 PM
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Anyone could name some Irish designer that she could had use? I do not know any
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:30 PM
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Well, I expect that many members of the Great British Public have similar hopes and interests to the majority of us on this board. We hope to see a lot of the Duchess in lovely outfits; we hope to see her marriage and family life succeed on a grand scale; and we are interested in her ability to achieve positive results in the work she and her husband carry out.

I imagine the people of Hull feel the same way. Very few are going to turn against Harry and his happiness over a fashion issue.

And it’s early days to get too outraged over something so minor.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:38 PM
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(..) I do not like everything she wears like the RM dress today, yet not one royal lady out there is perfect in whom they wear or the style or where it comes from. It is called a balancing act right now as she has only been a duchess for 2 months, not 2 years.

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Old 07-11-2018, 08:07 PM
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Anyone could name some Irish designer that she could had use? I do not know any
I for one think that she could have gone for some local jewellery, some small pieces like she has done for a few Australian designers. However, I'm not going to harp on it. It was a trip that lasted less than 48 hours. Now a tour that is days and weeks long, I do expect her to rep some local designers.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:23 PM
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She looked lovely at all times and properly dressed. There is no rule on colors any longer. Wear what you want. The little black dress was blue. She did need a better under garment in the taupe dress. I do concur. She isn't a pitchman for a fashion house. She married Harry. She has looked lovely from the get go. And JullianaVictoria, you are right, there are many in the BRF who dress far more poorly, shall we say.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:48 PM
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I can't complain about her lack of supporting Irish designers. I love the couture designers that she wears. They're beautiful, tailored and great for the engagements that she attends. It works for her, so I say let her keep dressing the way she's dressing. And if she likes the couture, let her wear it because it works for her.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:50 PM
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Love the grey dress and black suit. Very elegant and beautiful.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:06 PM
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I don't mind she doesn't wear any Irish designers. She isn't in Ireland representing Ireland. She is there representing the UK. It will be different on their tour in the fall. When they are in commonwealth realms, she will not just be representing the UK, but the commonwealth. And with more time for planning her wardrobe, I am sure we will see plenty of pieces.

Meghan's tour continues to be a blend. She has some foreign pieces and some pieces of UK/commonwealth designers.

1st look:
-Mouret dress-French born but based in UK. London flagship
-Paul Andrew shoes-opposite, he is an English designer, living in NY
-Birks earrings: Canadian brand

2nd look:
-t-shirt is Lavender Hill brand which is London based



The first dress is lovely. I loved the style pre-wedding. I love the draped fabric, gives some interest. I am one who doesn't ascribe to 'it's summer you have to look like a children's birthday party of bright colors'. The taupe color suits her nicely.

But the dress needed to fit better up top. The blue one fit better.


The suit is fantastic. Great choice for event.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:39 PM
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Ditto on the Roland Mouret undergarment issue. Unfortunate because I like his style but hopefully fixable. Some suggested the bust was just too tight. Not sure. But if bateau necklines are going to be her signature then Meghan needs to fix this. I was glad to see a pants suit come back into the fray. I've missed them. Honestly I think Meghan wears heels to these sporty things so there's no question that she's not participating. She politely passed on hurling today.

Yes Meghan wore a yellow dress and she looked great. But that doesn't change the fact that she prefers neutrals. I think the yellows, greens, etc. will be the exception not the rule and I'm fine with that. In 3 days she wore 6 outfits counting from the christening through the pants suit. 2 weren't neutrals. I think that's likely to be her preferred color mix.

FYI: Dior confirmed to Meghan's Mirror that the RAF dress was actually black. Which forces me to be a hypocrite and say I think it was too dark for that event.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:56 PM
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FYI: Dior confirmed to Meghan's Mirror that the RAF dress was actually black. Which forces me to be a hypocrite and say I think it was too dark for that event.
They need to check their color mixing machine or something.

But I still think it's fine. There are differences in blacks. This dress, even in a different style, wouldn't have been appropriate for a more somber event. The key is which black it is and the sheen just changed the mood.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:14 PM
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The taupe dress was too tight on top and all you looked at was the outline of,the bra. The black handbag was so big it looked like a small suitcase to me. Otherwise, the outfit and her hair and make up were very nice. The black and white suit was just fine except the high heels in the grass
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:51 PM
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I'm not sure how it's Hollywood of her to have worn what she has for the events so far. The women in the BRF and many other royal family wears a lot of high end designer brands. This isn't exclusive to Meghan. In the events she's attended on British soil, the designers she wore are on par with others. So I'm not sure why is she the only one getting a condescending name.

As for the negative articles, I'm not sure if you are aware, but they've long ago skyrocketed. In fact, since the moment this relationship came to light, that's the one thing there has never been a shortage of. Everything from her race to her background to her work to anything else has been fair game to them.

Quite frankly, most of her outfits has been quite "royal" if not for the bias some have against her. She wears the appropriate designer and appropriate clothing and have at a number of times tried painfully to blend into the background knowing she's not the star royal of the event and the media focus that's on her. She's done a lot of muted colors and high necklines and low hems since taking on this role. In fact, a lot of stuff reminds me of what a young highly paid well dressed executive would wear moreso than Hollywood. I'm not sure how much more un-Hollywood she can get while still being expected to look fab.

ETA: I'm understanding towards those that say high street matters as well too. And she's done that. She worn some pieces during her engagement that aren't that expensive, just like she wore expensive clothing as well. However, given that she's less than two months in, she hasn't had a large variety of engagements. All of the events she has attended do call for the higher end designers. And as she attends more everyday engagements, there will be opportunities where a less costly option is appropriate.
Beautifully said and summed up. Agree 100%.

I also just want to say that I, too, have seen the negatives regarding Meghan. In a way, she is never going to win. Certain swaths of people are disappointed that Harry married such a 'foreign' bride and will never be happy about it. I think Meghan (and Harry) know that and are just going forward and living their lives. They are not keeping an eye on the negative articles. To do so would be to go insane.

P.S. Take a look at what Meghan wore when she was 'Hollywood'. In no way is Meghan coming even close to what she wore on red-carpets and PR gigs. Not even close.

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She looked lovely at all times and properly dressed. There is no rule on colors any longer. Wear what you want. The little black dress was blue. She did need a better under garment in the taupe dress. I do concur. She isn't a pitchman for a fashion house. She married Harry. She has looked lovely from the get go. And JullianaVictoria, you are right, there are many in the BRF who dress far more poorly, shall we say.
Great post, Countess.

Meghan has a definite minimalist style, and she prefers a neutral palette. Perhaps in time she will start experimenting with flowery prints, thus being 'more English' but even Kate (I think) steers clear of fussy prints.

Reading the last series of posts I am wondering: when did it get established that royal women were 'pitching' English fashion brands? It seems to be such a front-and-center issue of concern I am wondering when that became an issue, or an accepted thing to expect of royal women? Diana? Margaret? When and who started this? The way Meghan is being faulted sounds vaguely strange to me.

Have to also agree with the last bolded sentence: Meghan is dressing far and away more classy than many royal ladies, though I am ambivalent about the demand in general regarding how royal women dress at events. I really think things have gotten 'out of control' in the presentation area. I would much prefer to see normal everyday dressing without it having to be 'perfection'. Recently a perfectly decent dress worn by a royal lady was criticized because the camera picked up on the creases from sitting (often comes up with pants). Something askew there imo, when what the camera sees becomes the master of us. Too much of that impacting young girls, and I realize I am working against a mighty tide. (Rant over).
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The thread has been cleaned up again and posts about jewellery have been moved to our extra thread: "Duchess of Sussex Jewels".
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:49 AM
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It appears (she) only does international haute couture. A lot of people on this Board might even suggest no local brands could be up to scratch to the esteemed Duchess and the profile of the engagements she is carrying out. Clearly these must be pioneering engagements not carried out by any royal lady previously!
Whatever you think about international haute couture which includes more than one UK fashion house, it is unnecessary to denigrate Meghan herself as hating on her has nothing to do with fashion, so I find your sarcasm unnecessary and rude.

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Well, I expect that many members of the Great British Public have similar hopes and interests to the majority of us on this board. We hope to see a lot of the Duchess in lovely outfits; we hope to see her marriage and family life succeed on a grand scale; and we are interested in her ability to achieve positive results in the work she and her husband carry out.

I imagine the people of Hull feel the same way. Very few are going to turn against Harry and his happiness over a fashion issue.

And it’s early days to get too outraged over something so minor.
Yes, most certainly is. Constructive criticism of Meghan's fashion choices are interesting, make you think about things you hadn't thought of till then and is both interesting and fun. Sarcasm and dire predictions of being drummed out of popularity because of that fashion is a bit OTT. I think it is worth noting she has only been married two months not two years.

We live in an ever-diminishing global world where merchandising, including fashion, grows more complicated by the day. We have NZ designers living in London and UK designers living in NY and France, and so on.

When HM and Princess Margaret were young they wore the great designers of the world and no one certainly, no UK citizen, wanted them wearing High Street clothes on the international stage. They were proud of the BRF and took pride in their representing the UK and the Commonwealth.

The situation is much more difficult these days. "Flying the Flag" is code for "Buy British" and that is not as easy as it sounds. McQueen is now owned by a French company so what is the difference between buying clothes designed by a UK designer at McQueen or a UK designer at Givenchy. Unless someone investigates the ownership or shareholding in fashion, how do we know what other foreign interests are involved in both the high fashion houses and the High Street?

I think Meghan, at two months into her marriage, is doing pretty well. I think perhaps she finds it a little difficult to source her own particular style as "fashion" is ever changing and the clothes that the Royals wear tend to be classics in their particular style. It is worth noting that with the passing of the Queen's premier designer Norman Hartnell, her wardrobe is 99% Angela Kelly and her in-house wardrobe department, although she still sports many well-known milliners creations and her ubiquitous Launer handbags.

I am not sure what designers Camilla is fond of, except of course, for her magnificent millinery.

But right now, I am enjoying the joie de vivre that Meghan and Harry are bringing us as newlyweds and the sartorial difference Meghan brings and the equally subtle sartorial changes in Harry's wardrobe.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:31 AM
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I find her strategy with clothes after getting married to be all over the place and it's becoming frustrating.

She was much better pre-wedding. She wore a good mix of high street brands with more expensive brands, a good mix of British, Common wealth and local brands.

Since getting married it's been very very bad. This has nothing to do with her style but the choices. She's been married almost two months but primarily wore French couture labels and American in that period. I usually don't mind her wearing black, but wearing full black at an event celebrating RAF 100 just made her stand out in a really bad way compared to the rest of the family. Not wearing Irish designers is Ireland is mistake, highlighting local brands is IMO one of the role of the Royal ladies when they are on tour. Wearing Irish designers in Ireland is easy points with the media. You need to get some of the easy point as well as nail the hard stuff.

I am frustrated because she was better at this before so I didn't think we had to worry but instead of keeping steady on that course she has veered completely off. Where she once showed care and thoughtfulness has completely been replaced by thoughtless disregard.

She needs to do better because the cost of clothing and the lack of local or commonwealth designers is legitimate criticism that's hard to defend against.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:43 AM
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Cost of clothing is no one's business but the person paying for it...that would be either Meghan, Harry or Charles or all the above.

She's worn a mix of designers along with wearing a mix of designer shoes and carrying a mix of designer bags and wearing a mix of designer jewelry. When you look at it as a whole she's doing pretty well in wearing commonwealth designers.


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