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Old 04-06-2017, 08:12 AM
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I agree with Nico.... pandering to the antiquated IHA is not an option for the more liberated Queen of Spain, who looked perfectly respectable imo.
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:15 AM
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It is a beautiful evening dress, but not for that occasion. It wouldn't surprise me if her hosts found that dress embarrassing.
The other ladies are dressed in a much more conservative way.

Letizia should have chosen something else for a state visit to Japan; there are so many exquisite evening dresses that are more demure.
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:21 AM
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Nico , The Queen of Spain should have worn an evening dress as Queen Mathilde in Denmark and not showing her whole arms which are not the best of her.
But that's YOUR opinion ! For instance i thought that Mathilde looked like a giant christmas present and Maxima was a bit too flashy.
I perfectly understand that someone doesn't like the look of Letizia, it's a matter of taste after all.
But the thing that bothers me is that some members are insinuating that Letizia was literaly showing her boobs during a state dinner in Japan (which is not true ) and of course was disrespectful to her hosts (not true at all as well).

I perferctly understand that some of us are still mourning the good'ol state visits with all the pump, the gloves, the hats ... And i pretty know that some of us are still regretting Queen Sofia (and are more or less looking at Letizia with disdain).
It's a thing to like, or not, an outfit, it's another to insult the current Queen of Spain.
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Old 04-06-2017, 08:30 AM
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SV to Japan, Day 2: Dinner at Akasaka Palace
A new black velvet dress with silk applications. I think I like it, but that piece of silk on her waist is very strange.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8uSO-dU0AAmB0i.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8uSO-AU0AENugU.jpg
An attempt to incorporate elements of a Japanese kimono was a failure. Tailoring was nice though.
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Old 04-06-2017, 10:09 AM
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I thought it was a nice idea, though velvet is not my fav fabric.
Love her outfits so far in this tour.
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:08 AM
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Armani Prive for Letizia this time
http://assets.vogue.com/photos/55c65...fullscreen.jpg

Hope she won't get the same critizism she got the last time she wore the brand...
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Old 04-06-2017, 11:32 AM
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The second dress is so much better than the one worn at the State Banquet. Had she worn this one with a floor length skirt she was the star of the evening at the imperial table.
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Old 04-06-2017, 12:31 PM
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The shoulder-pads are so exaggerated. I don't care for that.
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Old 04-06-2017, 01:08 PM
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This picture says all. Look at every lady. Do it one by one: the ladies at the main table, the ladies at the second table, the lady standing behind the main table. Find the person making the impression of wearing a negligé:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8pbreJXYAA1ozx.jpg
my thoughts too. letizia stands out - but for the wrong reasons. i guess if she had her arms covered, this would have looked okay. cleavage + uncovered arms and shoulders were just not the wisest of sartorial choices for a state visit banquet in japan.
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Old 04-06-2017, 01:49 PM
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Insults... pffff... Several posrers thought it was actually a nice dress but not for a State Banquet in the Imperial Palace in Tokyo.

If that is an insult, what to think about the classification "Christmas tree" for Queen Mathilde, while she wore a petite diamond diadem and moderate jewels at the imperial banquet?
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Old 04-06-2017, 02:50 PM
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Lovely gown at the State dinner. Very good choice, but wished for a necklace. I'm not sure about this talk of "not appropriate" choice for that event. I've read all the comments and I can see the point in both sides. However, one must know that the Imperial princesses and the Empress all need to follow the Imperial agency rules, I think if the agency wasn't that conservative, they would have more freedom. I'm sure they were not "upset" or "insulted" by Letizia's choice of gown, it's very beautiful, anyone would envy to have one gown like that.

For the Imperial agency I understand. But naming Japan as whole nation of conservatism, is not correct. Japan is very traditional but also very modern at the same time. I don't know about you here, but I'm familiar with Japan and its society, and from what I've seen in Tokyo, you don't find conservatism at all. Okay, women don't show much cleavage, but you have no idea how many girls wears mini-skirts, mini-dresses and shorts. It was absolutely insane, especially in Shibuya or Harajuku. Even in winter! I could go on and on, really, conservatism is not a word I felt while there, tradition yes, but not conservatism.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:19 PM
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The purple gown is absolutely stunning. She looked incredibly regal.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:48 PM
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Armani Prive for Letizia this time
http://assets.vogue.com/photos/55c65...fullscreen.jpg

Hope she won't get the same critizism she got the last time she wore the brand...
This particular ensemble is awkward. European designers always fail to organically incorporate Asian elements in their clothing.
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Lovely gown at the State dinner. Very good choice, but wished for a necklace. I'm not sure about this talk of "not appropriate" choice for that event. I've read all the comments and I can see the point in both sides. However, one must know that the Imperial princesses and the Empress all need to follow the Imperial agency rules, I think if the agency wasn't that conservative, they would have more freedom. I'm sure they were not "upset" or "insulted" by Letizia's choice of gown, it's very beautiful, anyone would envy to have one gown like that. ... [snipped].
[my bolding]
Is there any reason for anyone to envy? I personally envy ladies in Japanese kimonos as they are gracefully delicate. One might assume that Mrs Abe's kimono can be as expensive as the gala dress in question. When it comes to fashion, a key element for a Japanese woman is appropriateness. Some members found the gala ensemble inappropriate. That is all.
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Old 04-06-2017, 03:59 PM
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The blue evening dress is stunning BUT when you go on visit you have to respect the rules where you go. I did not know that Japanese court is conservative but the protocol responsibles of the Spanish court should know. When the Queen of England goes on visit abroad she's her trip prepared by her advisors because it is impossible for her to know the customs and mentalities of each place, and we never saw the Queen of England make mistakes. They same team should exist for the Queen of Spain. So two possibly reasons are for this "faux pas" Either the Spanish court counsellors are useless and they should be changed, or Letizia does not hear any advise and acts as per her only mind.
Maybe her sole criteria is to appear beautiful and does not give a damn to be appropriate.
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Old 04-06-2017, 05:40 PM
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State Dinner Japan wearing Varela's Disney dress, one of the most beautiful dresses, I like it.

Letizia saca en Japón su vestido más Princesa Disney
Great dress! Needs an impressive necklace imo. Would have been perfection then.

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SV to Japan, Day 2: Dinner at Akasaka Palace
A new black velvet dress with silk applications. I think I like it, but that piece of silk on her waist is very strange.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8uSO-dU0AAmB0i.jpg
Topflight imo. Really handsome dress. Love the nod to Japanese design.
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Old 04-06-2017, 09:23 PM
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Letizia looked lovely. I think people fail to realize that the Japanese ladies pretty much wear their traditional formal kimonos in all formal situations. These gowns are extremely expensive and are worn over and over.
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Is mrs. Abe wearing a negligee? Look at those lacy arms and that deep,scoop neck. The blue evening gown would have been fine with the matching necklace, slightly adjusted lower. The Armani prive is perfection
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Old 04-06-2017, 10:19 PM
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The blue evening dress is stunning BUT when you go on visit you have to respect the rules where you go. I did not know that Japanese court is conservative but the protocol responsibles of the Spanish court should know. When the Queen of England goes on visit abroad she's her trip prepared by her advisors because it is impossible for her to know the customs and mentalities of each place, and we never saw the Queen of England make mistakes. They same team should exist for the Queen of Spain. So two possibly reasons are for this "faux pas" Either the Spanish court counsellors are useless and they should be changed, or Letizia does not hear any advise and acts as per her only mind.
Maybe her sole criteria is to appear beautiful and does not give a damn to be appropriate.
Considering the plunging necklines of Silvia and backless dress of Diana, either the standards are not as prudish as people seem to think. Or she isn't alone.

There is no plunging neckline. Not even a sweet heart. Honestly only the Amish think that showing the nape of the neck is lingeray. No cleavage is shown.

As for tonight the dress is lovely. Save the shoulder pads and the waist. The sleeves are beautiful as is her styling.
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Old 04-07-2017, 01:21 AM
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Considering the plunging necklines of Silvia and backless dress of Diana, either the standards are not as prudish as people seem to think. Or she isn't alone.

There is no plunging neckline. Not even a sweet heart. Honestly only the Amish think that showing the nape of the neck is lingeray. No cleavage is shown.

As for tonight the dress is lovely. Save the shoulder pads and the waist. The sleeves are beautiful as is her styling.
I think people often commenting on royal fashion have no idea what royal fashion in the past 80 years looked liked and comment on a gown being "appropriate" and post their ideas of what "royal appropriate" must be in their minds.

Unlike in Japan, where the men in "grey suits" decide what the princesses wear and even influence the empress, monarchs in Europe have more freedom of choice. They are still bound by royal protocol but they are not restricted as much as Japanese royal women are. For those who do not understand what I'm talking about, you only have to look at Japanese princesses' style. They all look the same, their dresses are cut the same, they have similar pastel colours and wear jewelry apparently identical. Letizia, as Head of State consort from the visiting country was perfectly fine in her choice of dress.

Having said that, I don't like the blue ball gown, it's too Disney for Letizia. Her style is too sophisticated to wear this.

I love however the Armani dress, all of it. I think is a wonderful tribute to Japan and she looks superb.

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The blue evening dress is stunning BUT when you go on visit you have to respect the rules where you go. I did not know that Japanese court is conservative but the protocol responsibles of the Spanish court should know. When the Queen of England goes on visit abroad she's her trip prepared by her advisors because it is impossible for her to know the customs and mentalities of each place, and we never saw the Queen of England make mistakes. They same team should exist for the Queen of Spain. So two possibly reasons are for this "faux pas" Either the Spanish court counsellors are useless and they should be changed, or Letizia does not hear any advise and acts as per her only mind.
Maybe her sole criteria is to appear beautiful and does not give a damn to be appropriate.
Frankly, as a Spaniard I find your post insulting. There is no "faux pas" made by Spanish royal protocol. Queen Letizia is the wife of the Head of State and REPRESENTING Spain in Japan. She is not wearing a bikini or showing her knickers. She is wearing a ball gown that's actually pretty conservative by today's standards while representing our country.

The Queen of Spain is bound by Spanish protocol who are in permanent contact with their counterparts before State visits. EVERYTHING is agreed before the visit begins.

Good grief, I can just imagine the scandal in Spain if Letizia follows your advice of wearing a hijab or abaya because she has to comply to Saudi's dress customs and protocol on the next State visit to Saudi.
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Old 04-07-2017, 04:03 AM
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I'm not sure where the idea has come from that Queen Letizia has avoided - deliberately or otherwise - Imperial Court protocols by wearing an inappropriate gown. It is rather a presumption with no basis at all given the following images:

The Asahi Shimbun Weekly Photos and Images | Getty Images

http://katemiddletonreview.com/wp-co...ing-2016-2.png

The gown itself is very beautiful and it's nice to see her wearing a dress with a fuller silhouette than usual.
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