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Old 04-24-2018, 10:04 AM
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I counted about 7 women in sleeveless dresses in the service, some of them on the podium giving a speech or something. Personally I haven't seen any 'what was she thinking' dresses or outfits on Meghan, and I actually hope she keeps her own style and dresses as she has so far.
I couldn't agree more.

Maybe then we could adjust our idea of "the royal uniform" that has been parroted about for the last 30 years - which has kept royal fashion from keeping up with the times.

And no, I don't mean that royal fashion has to start including see through tops or booty shorts - just that something like this - sleeves - shouldn't cause pearl clutching.

I feel like we already went through this when M.O. went sleeveless - the complaints sounded similar - she'd strayed from some mythical "first lady uniform" and kablam, lol.
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:21 AM
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Just don't buy into the idea of anything being inappropriate being worn. Harry is uber protective of Meghan..he is going to do whatever he can do to ease her path and have her avoid as much of the negative as he can...there is no way he's going to let her go out of the house in something 'inappropriate' without saying something.

Not to mention the other folks involved.

That said, I think she should get input from a stylist that is familiar with the various subtle things that go on with fashion in that region...if she isn't already. But that isn't because of 'inappropriate' dressing.

There have been outfits I have not cared for or been meh about...but that's just personal opinion of fashion.


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Old 04-24-2018, 10:34 AM
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I think that she has 'advisers', and I think that most if not all of them are her usual entourage of young Americans and Canadians who tell her nothing but how marvelous and perfect she is. I do not think she is getting subjective/critical advise, which she could definitely use IMO. I've said it before, she needs to find a Catherine Quinn type, she's done wonders for Kate, maybe she has a colleague she could send Meg's way. She needs to find a hair stylist stat, too.
Are you talking about advisers to fans? Because I'm pretty sure no one at Kensington Palace are her "usual entourage of Americans and Canadians who tell her nothing but how marvelous and perfect she is". And if we are talking about her friends, I don't know how many true friends tell each other they are perfect? They offer constructive criticism when needed. That's how real friendships last and work. We also have to keep in mind that it's not just the advisers at KP that advises her. If they go completely out of line, the Queen and Charles do have advisers too. I'm sure they are not blind or deaf, and have a clear understanding that Meghan has the spotlight right now. If they see things are are way out there, they'll say something.
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:39 AM
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Are you talking about advisers to fans? Because I'm pretty sure no one at Kensington Palace are her "usual entourage of Americans and Canadians who tell her nothing but how marvelous and perfect she is". And if we are talking about her friends, I don't know how many true friends tell each other they are perfect? They offer constructive criticism when needed. That's how real friendships last and work. We also have to keep in mind that it's not just the advisers at KP that advises her. If they go completely out of line, the Queen and Charles do have advisers too. I'm sure they are not blind or deaf, and have a clear understanding that Meghan has the spotlight right now. If they see things are are way out there, they'll say something.
Meghan has worn hose when in the presence of HMQ. That tells me she has advisors - royal ones. Which means everything else she wears has been approved.

But as usual a tempest in a tea cup over this "royal uniform" that none of us actually know is a real thing.
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:54 AM
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That said, I think she should get input from a stylist that is familiar with the various subtle things that go on with fashion in that region...if she isn't already. But that isn't because of 'inappropriate' dressing.

There have been outfits I have not cared for or been meh about...but that's just personal opinion of fashion.


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This is where I come down, too. Although I know that some posters have played the "inappropriate" card, and that's a valid opinion, every royal lady has her fans and her consistent detractors, it just goes with the territory on the fashion threads. I don't think that anything that Meghan has worn has been inappropriate, per se, but there have been some choices that were a bit "off" in one way or another.

I don't think the BRF is in desperate need of Meghan Markle to come in and save them (in a fashion sense); they've been doing just fine without her. I like Meghan, and I like a lot of her fashion choices, but between love-love-loving every single thing she wears/decrying the choices of the other British royal ladies, and trashing her every appearance, I think there's room for some thoughtful commentary on what works, what doesn't and acknowledging that there might be some subtle cultural differences in play. Even in the US, there are huge differences in what would be considered appropriate between different regions, or just subtle differences in style that differentiate between someone from the South, Midwest, Southwest, or West Coast. It's not surprising that the fine points of business or formal dress as a soon-to-be Royal might present some challenges for Meghan, and I don't think it's unfair to point that out.
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:18 AM
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@jacqui24

You said what I wanted to say, but so much better. I completely agree.
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:31 AM
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A blazer and black accessories would have been ideal IMO and just more polished, but I thought Meghan was stunning yesterday. Baroness Lawrence looked thrilled to meet her.

I think Meghan will be a lot like Letizia: traditionalists will hate her fashion, but other folks will love it. If she continues in the Letizia vein (and please God have Meghan be inspired by Letizia's awesome tailoring), I will be one happy royal watching camper.
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Old 04-24-2018, 11:46 AM
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I don't see how there would be a bevy of North American advisers telling Meghan to wear inappropriate outfits. It's true that the royal ladies have their fans, who may tend to overlook minor missteps. I don't think Meghan has worn anything truly awful yet, although I'm still not quite over her poop emoji hat, and that time she wore those pants that made me pray that she wouldn't step on her own hem.

I like her hair fine, although I wish she'd go natural. The messy hair makes me think her naturally wild, thick, kinky hair is rebelling against its restraints.
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Old 04-24-2018, 01:07 PM
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Guys come on, even if I haven't cared for a certain outfit she has never been inappropriately dressed. It hasn't happened. You may not like it, you may hate it but she's always been appropriately dressed even if close to the edge.

If the Firm or the Queen had any issue with her clothing they would of intervened. Harry would of intervened ..he knows the score too.


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I absolutely agree that Ms Markle's principal guide is her prince! Seeing as he worships the ground on which she treads, I would think he is (cough) fairly uncritical of our Meghan but even she must have felt uncomfortable being sleeveless in a very sleeved church However, she is learning and kudos to her for not letting herself be flustered; she must have a mental notebook and I will be following with interest to see if she makes the same mistake again
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Old 04-24-2018, 01:10 PM
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Why must she have felt uncomfortable because she was sleeveless? Several other women were also...if they weren't comfortable they wouldn't of worn sleeveless dresses...they all knew they were going to Church.


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Old 04-24-2018, 02:06 PM
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I absolutely agree that Ms Markle's principal guide is her prince! Seeing as he worships the ground on which she treads, I would think he is (cough) fairly uncritical of our Meghan but even she must have felt uncomfortable being sleeveless in a very sleeved church However, she is learning and kudos to her for not letting herself be flustered; she must have a mental notebook and I will be following with interest to see if she makes the same mistake again
Who decided the sleeveless dress was a mistake? There were other women wearing sleeveless dresses, too. I don't get this projecting ones own feelings on Meghan, what made you think she felt uncomfortable? From the videos I saw, she seemed pretty at ease and normal.
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Old 04-24-2018, 02:36 PM
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Who decided the sleeveless dress was a mistake? There were other women wearing sleeveless dresses, too. I don't get this projecting ones own feelings on Meghan, what made you think she felt uncomfortable? From the videos I saw, she seemed pretty at ease and normal.
I have to agree. I've been sitting here reading all these comments and what strikes me is how one's personal preference (or former "rules" of dress) are continually brought forward. I have to wonder how these people would react to seeing young adult people (in the conservative south of the US of all places) come into church in shorts. I'm of the white glove and hat generation and I see no problem with what Megan wore. In fact I recall seeing women with white gloves, hats AND sleeveless dresses in the summer in the midwest. It may well be that this is more of a regional issue that some people cannot get past.
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Old 04-24-2018, 03:00 PM
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I grew up in the white gloves/hat generation and saw it change overnight just about. I've even attended a Mass on the beach in swimsuit and a sweatshirt for cover up as it was a sunrise service. I went from the times of the service being performed in Latin to being performed in English. Although I no longer embrace any religion, I have attended services in blue jeans. formal wear, camp wear and just about anything one can imagine.

My personal opinion is that it really doesn't matter what one wears to a church service. What matters is that they do go to church services
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Old 04-24-2018, 03:05 PM
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The cape dress she wore was beautiful. One of her best looks.
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Old 04-24-2018, 03:33 PM
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I've not been a fan Meghan's fashion choices in general but credit where it's due, the cape dress was wonderful. Very, very becoming.

The Hugo Boss dress really isn't to my taste but it does look nice on her. The Halo dress, on the other hand, looked stunning.

It does appear that she's finally starting to embrace the idea of fashion that's tailored more for her small frame rather than the oversized pieces we've seen her in so often. While I love, love, love color, the neutrals that she prefers look very nice on her, too, as long as they've been cut, tailored, and shaped for her super-petite frame and don't appear to swamp her. When she goes for those more fitted looks she nails it every time.

Now, if we can just do away with the cross body bags and the messy buns....
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:11 PM
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I think what I'm trying to understand is on what authority are people in this thread saying that she's not dressing correctly for her "new office" so to speak?

Maybe - just maybe - the Monarchy is attempting to modernize a bit? If she was dressing inappropriately I'm sure she has advisors to tell her this?

I mean - she clearly wore stockings when in the presence of the Queen - which indicates that she definitely has advisors.

Since she's wearing a (wide) sleeveless dress, I think that also indicates that her advisors (and the actual arbiters of the "royal uniform" that some here seem to think they alone understand) don't see a problem with it and haven't asked her not to wear it.

We don't know if something is happening behind closed doors where the Monarchy is actively attempting to shed some of its "stuffiness".

Hell - we don't even know if the Monarchy has a thing against sleeveless in a church memorial service?

Maybe they have evolved with the times and "we" need to update our idea of "the royal uniform"?

I wear sleeveless dresses in church. So does half the congregation - and we are casket sharp for our services, lol.
I would like to know who you think her advisers are. Do you think Meghan has a hotline to HM's private secretary's desk and sends them photos of every outfit for approval? Or maybe HM sends a British Tim Gunn down from her office to stand in judgement as Meghan models everything she's going to wear? I don't.

I have yet to see anyone here say she has to follow some dress code per se, certainly not a 'uniform'. We have pointed out when something looked off. It seemed odd to me (and others) that she wore a sleeveless dress to a church service, find me another lady of the BRF who has done that, not someone from the congregation, choir or guest speakers. Find me another representative of Her Majesty the Queen who has worn a sleeveless dress in church. It's not the norm, therefor I and others have every right to raise an eyebrow and say 'hmm, that's different'!

So much emphasis is being put on the word appropriate, I feel my use of the word needs clarification because some seem not to understand what I mean.

Appropriate: wearing a scarf and mittens in the snow
Inappropriate: wearing sandals in the snow

You can wear sandals in the snow if you want to, no one is going to stop you. There's no uniform for snow. But if you decide to wear something that I find odd (inappropriate in my view) I might give you my opinion, which would be that you might want to reconsider. Saying it's not appropriate isn't a moral judgement, it's just not suitable to the occasion.
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Old 04-24-2018, 08:47 PM
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I absolutely agree that Ms Markle's principal guide is her prince! Seeing as he worships the ground on which she treads, I would think he is (cough) fairly uncritical of our Meghan but even she must have felt uncomfortable being sleeveless in a very sleeved church However, she is learning and kudos to her for not letting herself be flustered; she must have a mental notebook and I will be following with interest to see if she makes the same mistake again
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Who decided the sleeveless dress was a mistake? There were other women wearing sleeveless dresses, too. I don't get this projecting ones own feelings on Meghan, what made you think she felt uncomfortable? From the videos I saw, she seemed pretty at ease and normal.
I certainly agree that Harry is her principle guide and as such he is a man and will miss the subtle details that inhabit the world of royal fashion ettiquette.

Yes, I believe that Meghan probably did feel a little uncomfortable with no sleeves when it was obvious that that was the predominent "dress code" for a Memorial Service. That is not to say that what she wore was inappropriate per se, but unlike many who have related their personal experiences of super casual clothes in church, Meghan was supporting her fiancée who was, in turn, representing the POW.

I have not seen one "inappropriate" ensemble on her yet and her cape dress was amazing, but for that she wore stockings because HM was present. What she is failing to grasp is that when she marries Harry she will not be attending engagements as an individual, but rather representing HM. That is the job she is signing up for and while I would hate to see her lose her individual style, which I personally admire, there are some things you can't "dismiss" as trivial.

When she is married she will be expected to wear a hat and hose to the Trooping of the Colour, to Royal Ascot, Memorial Services and many other such occasions. She totally aced the Commonwealth Service with her navy and white ensemble which shows she can do what is required without losing her individuality and wearing stockings did not ruin or crush her American
style and spirit.

I believe she needs more time to find her feet, so to speak, although she is a quick study as her wardrobe attests and, had it not cut the mustard with HM you can bet she would have been politely sidelined until the wedding. Instead HM has placed an unprecedented degree of confidence in her ability to do the job. It's going that one step higher that she isn't doing as a rule, yet. The royal women do not dress "the same as" at engagements, but rather in their best.
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Old 04-24-2018, 09:15 PM
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I have to agree. I've been sitting here reading all these comments and what strikes me is how one's personal preference (or former "rules" of dress) are continually brought forward. I have to wonder how these people would react to seeing young adult people (in the conservative south of the US of all places) come into church in shorts. I'm of the white glove and hat generation and I see no problem with what Megan wore. In fact I recall seeing women with white gloves, hats AND sleeveless dresses in the summer in the midwest. It may well be that this is more of a regional issue that some people cannot get past.
Apples and oranges, dear Princess. Young people in the southern US aren't representing the Queen, Meghan is.

I can't think of a church that I've attended in my adult life that had any kind of a dress code, I've gone in jeans with ragged hems and a pull-over sweater, God doesn't care. Again, that's totally beside the point.

Can you imagine HM showing up to a church service in a sleeveless dress? No? Well, in a way Meghan is acting as the Queen in absentia, she is HM's representative. That doesn't mean that she wears a coat dress and hat everywhere she goes, but it does call for a modicum of conservatism in dress choices IMO. I'd be willing to wager we won't see Meghan in a sleeveless dress in church again, any takers?
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Old 04-24-2018, 10:04 PM
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(..) if there was an issue with her wardrobe it would be brought up to her by people who actually know the Queen and the rules; not people speculating and making up their own rules.
I say we should just be happy her dress fit and didn't fly up in the wind.
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This was a memorial service not just your normal Sunday service
And I’m so over what is worn in US.
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