Fashion for the little and teenage royals Part 10: November 2016 - September 2017

[Archduchess Zelia]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

The shirt is alright on Jacques; but on Gabriella it feels a bit too masculine for me. But perhaps Charlene wanted them to wear matching things and their colours do give a nod to the Monegasque flag. I actually think it's quite charming that Jacques is wearing a plait - I normally don't like plaits on the opposite gender but on little boys they look sweet.

What is masculine about it? The fact that her brother wears the exact same one? It's just a red and white polo shirt, and masculinity and femininity are social constructs.

[HereditaryPrincess]

Originally Posted by Archduchess Zelia

What is masculine about it? The fact that her brother wears the exact same one? It's just a red and white polo shirt, and masculinity and femininity are social constructs.

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If you used that smiley because you thought I was being sexist, I want to highlight that sexism was absolutely not my intention and I'm actually a feminist myself. I made the comment about Gabriella's shirt being masculine, not because she and her brother were wearing the same thing (which was something I found quite cute), but just because the style of it was a little boyish for my personal taste.

[Elenath]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

If you used that smiley because you thought I was being sexist, I want to highlight that sexism was absolutely not my intention and I'm actually a feminist myself. I made the comment about Gabriella's shirt being masculine, not because she and her brother were wearing the same thing (which was something I found quite cute), but just because the style of it was a little boyish for my personal taste.

I kind of agree with you in regards to the clothes. It's boyish to me as well. And now I don't know which one is Jacques and which one is Gabriella. Especially now that their hairstyle is the same.

[Countessmeout]

I for one love it. So tired of every Princess being paraded in little pretty dresses to every event. Add to it usually bows, pink or purple.

Girls wear pants. They wear polo shirts. Polo shirts are made for both genders. We see grown princesses wear them and do we get confused if they are wearing husbands clothes?

[HereditaryPrincess]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

I for one love it. So tired of every Princess being paraded in little pretty dresses to every event. Add to it usually bows, pink or purple.



Girls wear pants. They wear polo shirts. Polo shirts are made for both genders. We see grown princesses wear them and do we get confused if they are wearing husbands clothes?

I repeat. Sexism was not the intention of my original post. Please see my post above Elenath's and hopefully you will understand my thought process. I'm not asking you to agree with me - I've already explained in that particular post what I meant by the term "masculine".

It is obviously a great thing that girls can now wear the same clothes as boys. I'm not saying that it isn't. All I'm saying is that it was simply a matter of my personal taste.

Originally Posted by Elenath

I kind of agree with you in regards to the clothes. It's boyish to me as well. And now I don't know which one is Jacques and which one is Gabriella. Especially now that their hairstyle is the same.

I'm glad that at least someone here can understand where I'm coming from.

(I'm on my mobile so if they feel like it's necessary the mods can merge this in with my above post.)

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

I repeat. Sexism was not the intention of my original post. Please see my post above Elenath's and hopefully you will understand my thought process. I'm not asking you to agree with me - I've already explained in that particular post what I meant by the term "masculine".

It is obviously a great thing that girls can now wear the same clothes as boys. I'm not saying that it isn't. All I'm saying is that it was simply a matter of my personal taste.

I wasn't responding at all to you

Like you I was stating my opinion that I find it refreshing that Charlene doesn't follow the whole a princess has to be dressed like a princess Barbie doll.

Interesting you get all uppity about anyone perceivable ridiculing your opinion. But no one can voice their own.

If my comment was a response to anyone, which it wasn't, it was Elenath. Who implied Gabrielle you can't even tell us a girl becayse she is in pants.

But if I was actually responding to either, I'd have quoted you. I was simply voicing my own opinion it's nice to see a girl in pants.

[MissByrd]

Originally Posted by HereditaryPrincess

I'm glad that at least someone here can understand where I'm coming from.

(I'm on my mobile so if they feel like it's necessary the mods can merge this in with my above post.)

Hello, HereditaryPrincess: I'm with you. Pay no attention to the testy responses. I really don't understand the responses that seem so eager to correct someone's thinking. It really does make The Forums less enjoyable, when there are those who are so quick to "correct" and/or to show that they are "in the know".
The twins are adorable. I'm sure you think so also. Just expressing your opinion. 😀

[Elenath]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

I wasn't responding at all to you

Like you I was stating my opinion that I find it refreshing that Charlene doesn't follow the whole a princess has to be dressed like a princess Barbie doll.

Interesting you get all uppity about anyone perceivable ridiculing your opinion. But no one can voice their own.

If my comment was a response to anyone, which it wasn't, it was Elenath. Who implied Gabrielle you can't even tell us a girl becayse she is in pants.

But if I was actually responding to either, I'd have quoted you. I was simply voicing my own opinion it's nice to see a girl in pants.

That, I’m afraid, is not what I implied. Or at least.. it’s not what I wanted to say. For me the problem isn’t that she’s in boys clothes (whatever that means) but more the fact that they are wearing the same clothes and are wearing the same hairstyle. I hate overly frilly and pinkish clothes for girls and all I ever wanted was a daughter wearing denim coveralls. It looks absolutely awesome to me. But with twins who have almost the same haircolour, wearing the same clothes and hairstyles.. well it’s just confusing to me.
Sooo... I might not have chosen these clothes if they had been my children, but I feel the same way about the way the children in the BRF are dressed. It’s just not my thing. And that has nothing what so ever to do with girls wearing pants.

Also... the “smiley” you used wasn’t very kind to HereditaryPrincess. Especially considering what she said in an earlier post.

[iceflower]

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[Elenath]

Can we just let this go please. Yes male and female is a social construct, but people still have expectations based on it. And those expectations might not be the same for everyone. I didn't like those clothes either and it had nothing to do with it being feminine or masculine. Also... I'm not a fan of overly skinny jeans on toddlers.

[iceflower]

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Estelle and Oscar at the Prince Daniel Race in Stockholm yesterday, September 10, Estelle wore a Ralph Lauren dress:


** Estelle ** Oscar ** Oscar ** Oscar ** svenskdam.se dress information **

[Leslie Mae]

Originally Posted by iceflower

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Estelle and Oscar at the Prince Daniel Race in Stockholm yesterday, September 10, Estelle wore a Ralph Lauren dress:


** Estelle ** Oscar ** Oscar ** Oscar ** svenskdam.se dress information **

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The kiddies look cute, as usual.

[ladongas]

Oscar, you little cutie- the pacifier is not a good look for you at your age.

[Countessmeout]

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The kids look adorable. Love Estelles look

[rominet09]

Really beautiful children...

[LadyFinn]

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Estelle's jacket on Sunday is from Lindex.
Rosa Vadderad bomberjacka 299 kr _ Lindex

[iceflower]

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[QueenPenny]

Oscar is 100% Daniel when he smiles. He & Estelle are the most adorable royal children, IMO.

[Erin9]

Estelle looks so cute in her striped dress.

[iceflower]

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