Crown Princess Mary's Daytime Fashion Part 19: October 2012 - February 2013

[donnaK]

Originally Posted by soraya

IMO this outfit was suitable for the occasion.It was a sport event and Mary wasn't in an official engagement so she can wear whatever she wants.My opinion is that it's the men who were overdressed.
I always find it ridiculous to see men in suits in stadium.
In tennis which may be considered as a posh sport you rarely see spectators in suits.

Not when they were also there handing out the medals. Jeans and the blouse longer than the jacket (worse than the jeans) were inappropriate for a royal to hand out medals after a World Championship final. People sitting in the VIP section at a big final usually dress rather formally, Sofia, Maxima and Letizia all wore business attires at the World Cup final.

[soraya]

DonnaK,Except that this event wasn't on Mary professionnal agenda.It was a private event.She was there for leisure.I highly doubt she was expected to give medals.
Mary usually knows how to dress according to the event she doesn't strikes me as a "madame fashion-pas".Have you ever seen Mary dressing casual or in a mini-skirt for a military event,official visit abroad?
Wearing a mini dress in an official visit to Chile for the wife of a future King is more discutable especially when the future King is reviewing the chilean troops and that his wife follows him closely,or when she seats in front of all the photographs.I have never seen Mary in a sloppy outfit or with a cardigan in a military event too.
Nobody criticised the Cambridges or Prince Harry because they dressed casual for the arrival of the olympic torch in London while it was on their official agenda.Since it was a sport event,it was fine to dress casual.
Nobody criticised the fashion of all the royals attending the competitions in London Olympic because they were there as spectators and not official guests.It's the same thing with Mary in Spain she was there as a spectator and it's as simple as this..
On this I think we should agree to disagree

[ricarda]

Since there seem to be different views on how to dress appropriately for a sport event, let's just say: They complemented each other well. Felipe dressed for those who like formal attire, Mary dressed for those who like it more casual. Perfect teamwork.

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by ricarda

Since there seem to be different views on how to dress appropriately for a sport event, let's just say: They complemented each other well. Felipe dressed for those who like formal attire, Mary dressed for those who like it more casual. Perfect teamwork.

Felipe is used to standing next to an underdressed woman at events, I am sure he didnt even notice.

[NGalitzine]

Originally Posted by soraya

.It's the same thing with Mary in Spain she was there as a spectator and it's as simple as this..
On this I think we should agree to disagree

Spectators generally do not hand out medals to athletes and I doubt it was a surprise to Mary that she would take part in the medal ceremony. A pant suit would have been more appropriate than jeans for a medal presentation at a World Championship......even if her team did lose.

[dee4855]

She flies commercial. If there was any flight delay at all it may have caused her to not be able to change.

[ANNIE_S]

Originally Posted by soraya

Wearing a mini dress in an official visit to Chile for the wife of a future King is more discutable especially when the future King is reviewing the chilean troops and that his wife follows him closely,or when she seats in front of all the photographs.I have never seen Mary in a sloppy outfit or with a cardigan in a military event too.

So what? The fact that Letizia was underdressed on that events doesn´t change the fact that Mary WAS underdressed on Sunday
You can have your opinion, I and other posters have ours, and definitely we aren´t going to change just because some members here think that Mary is the quintaesential of elegance

It seems that if she appears in jeans at an event with ten men dressed in suits, well, then the 10 men have done it wrong, since it´s absolutely impossible that Mary goes wrong

By the way, there was another woman at the tribune and she was wearing a very nice outfit which is what I think appropriate for such an event, in case you´re wondering:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2vud550.jpg

FOR ME, Mary looks out of place in that picture.

[miche]

Originally Posted by soraya

Nobody criticised the Cambridges or Prince Harry because they dressed casual for the arrival of the olympic torch in London while it was on their official agenda.Since it was a sport event,it was fine to dress casual.

The Cambridges and Prince Harry wear wearing official Team Britain, Olympic shirts and Kate still got criticize.

All the royals who presented a medal for the summer Olympics wore business casual or professional outfits

[donnaK]

I don't know officials in Scandinavian countries often wore jeans when handing out medals in a world championship, examples ? I remember Prince Frederik wore neither jeans or sloppy shorts when handed out medals in the Olympics.

Originally Posted by ANNIE_S

So what? The fact that Letizia was underdressed on that events doesn´t change the fact that Mary WAS underdressed on Sunday
You can have your opinion, I and other posters have ours, and definitely we aren´t going to change just because some members here think that Mary is the quintaesential of elegance

It seems that if she appears in jeans at an event with ten men dressed in suits, when, then the 10 men have done it wrong, since it´s absolutely impossible that Mary goes wrong

By the way, there was another woman at the tribune and she was wearing a very nice outfit which is what I think appropriate for such an event, in case you´re wondering:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2vud550.jpg

FOR ME, Mary looks out of place in that picture.

Exactly. What does Letizia or Kate have anything to do with what Mary wore on Sunday ? In fact Letizia had never worn jeans when handing out medals. Whatever Letizia or Kate wore before didn't make Mary's jeans and dangling blouse more appropriate at the medal ceremony.

[Cinderella5x]

Originally Posted by dee4855

She flies commercial. If there was any flight delay at all it may have caused her to not be able to change.

One can always change in the bathroom. I realize those are small, but it's doable. Tried it once as I had to.

Originally Posted by donnaK

I don't know officials in Scandinavian countries often wore jeans when handing out medals in a world championship, examples ? I remember Prince Frederik wore neither jeans or sloppy shorts when handed out medals in the Olympics.



Exactly. What does Letizia or Kate have anything to do with what Mary wore on Sunday ? In fact Letizia had never worn jeans when handing out medals. Whatever Letizia or Kate wore before didn't make Mary's jeans and dangling blouse more appropriate at the medal ceremony.

If there are not arguments to defend Mary using just Mary, it's easy to use other princesses and what they wore. I noticed it happening many times before. It looks like some cannot accept Mary not being perfect all the time and making mistakes.

Originally Posted by ANNIE_S

So what? The fact that Letizia was underdressed on that events doesn´t change the fact that Mary WAS underdressed on Sunday
You can have your opinion, I and other posters have ours, and definitely we aren´t going to change just because some members here think that Mary is the quintaesential of elegance

It seems that if she appears in jeans at an event with ten men dressed in suits, when, then the 10 men have done it wrong, since it´s absolutely impossible that Mary goes wrong

By the way, there was another woman at the tribune and she was wearing a very nice outfit which is what I think appropriate for such an event, in case you´re wondering:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2vud550.jpg

FOR ME, Mary looks out of place in that picture.

I was just going to respond in a similar manner. I read soraya's post and I, too, was wondering, how the fact that Letizia, Kate or anyone else was at times underdressed changes the fact that Mary WAS underdressed?

I think that to anyone looking at that picture you presented, if the woman in jeans wouldn't be Mary, should would looked out of place, in jeans and sloppy blouse hanging below the jacket. But it's Mary, and some will never accept she can go wrong at times, so she will be defended at all costs by some. I can only imagine an amount of posts and criticism had it been Letizia or Kate in Mary's place.

I was also wondering, how come some posters say that it were men in suits who looked out of place since they all were in suits or in military outfits.

[soraya]

Really some didn't understood why I talked about Leti habit to dress casually in official events?
By the way,Thank you Duke of Marmelade you have perfectly resumed my thoughts
But it seems for some being underdressed on a regular basis is pefectly correct for one royal but unforgetable for another royal in one occasion.Didn't someone said that people in Spain were shocked by Mary's jeans.I thought they were accustomed to with their CP.
Guess what,when I see the name of some posters in that thread I can immediatly guess that it will be a negative one.I am not always expecting praise but at least a very few here can say something positive from time to time.
It a bit annoying to se some pop up here only when they have something negative to say.
I have no problems with those who criticise but are objective
By the way I didn't criticise Kate for being in jeans when the torch arrived.I brought that example to show it was'nt abnormal for a sport event.
One particular poster didn't come up her to say Mary's jeans is NEW and luxuary
have a nice day or night

[Daria_S]

I happen to like both outfits. The jeans with a blouse and jacket looked very appropriate for a sporting event, especially if Mary wasn't there in official capacity. She looked very youthful. The outfit for the conference was very professional, but not boring, something very few are able to pull off.

[ANNIE_S]

Originally Posted by soraya

But it seems for some being underdressed on a regular basis is pefectly correct for one royal but unforgetable for another royal in one occasion.Didn't someone said that people in Spain were shocked by Mary's jeans.I thought they were accustomed to with their CP.

Sorry Soraya, people in Spain were shocking by Mary´s jeans, as we´re when is Letizia the one who wears them. We can be a poor country, but we´re elegant (you can see that our men dress up when they go to handball matches )

I´m finding your comments in this thread a little bit agressive, the comparation with Letizia or Kate had no point here.

[soraya]

Annie I am really sorry if you found my posts agressive that wasn't the aim.It is only a discussion my dear.
May be the tendancy of a few here to be always negative in that thread have made me a bit offensive.I expect from some to be objective that's all.
Don't worry your women are very elegant too.I am frequently visiting your country and I noticed that.

[Cinderella5x]

Originally Posted by soraya

Really some didn't understood why I talked about Leti habit to dress casually in official events?
By the way,Thank you Duke of Marmelade you have perfectly resumed my thoughts
But it seems for some being underdressed on a regular basis is pefectly correct for one royal but unforgetable for another royal in one occasion.Didn't someone said that people in Spain were shocked by Mary's jeans.I thought they were accustomed to with their CP.
Guess what,when I see the name of some posters in that thread I can immediatly guess that it will be a negative one.I am not always expecting praise but at least a very few here can say something positive from time to time.
It a bit annoying to se some pop up here only when they have something negative to say.
I have no problems with those who criticise but are objective
By the way I didn't criticise Kate for being in jeans when the torch arrived.I brought that example to show it was'nt abnormal for a sport event.
One particular poster didn't come up her to say Mary's jeans is NEW and luxuary
have a nice day or night

I don't and I never did and I doubt I ever will. I don't think I will ever understand why, to defend one princess, other princesses must be brought to the discussion. It's Mary's thread, not Letizia's, not Kate's. I think it is possible to make a valid point regarding the appropriateness or not of Mary's outfit WITHOUT bringing Letizia, Kate or whoever to the discussion. But I hate comparing so I always say that. In every occasion.


I do not think it's unforgettable, but we are allowed to mention that and to criticize Mary for that, just like it's being done in every other princesses case. But, in Mary's case, some will never accept a slightest criticism of her. Even the justified one (see: Mary WAS underdressed in Spain, comparing to other officials, yet, the defense is going on and on).

See my point? It's not about praising others and downgrading Mary. It's about being fair and if criticizing one for something, doing the same in a similar case of another.

Originally Posted by soraya

Annie I am really sorry if you found my posts agressive that wasn't the aim.It is only a discussion my dear.
May be the tendancy of a few here to be always negative in that thread have made me a bit offensive.I expect from some to be objective that's all.
Don't worry your women are very elegant too.I am frequently visiting your country and I noticed that.

Well, even if some, as you mentioned, are always being negative, that is not a good reason to be offensive, you know? Being offensive is a bad thing. Always.

[dee4855]

Why don't we just make it where she can never go to Spain again, call the Queen to lock her in the tower.

[ANNIE_S]

Originally Posted by soraya

Annie I am really sorry if you found my posts agressive that wasn't the aim.It is only a discussion my dear.
May be the tendancy of a few here to be always negative in that thread have made me a bit offensive.I expect from some to be objective that's all.
Don't worry your women are very elegant too.I am frequently visiting your country and I noticed that.

Ok, soraya, no problem for me
I think maybe we all sometimes get a little bit too "passionate" in our discussions. Calming down would do fine to the discussion itself.

[camelot23ca]

I thought Mary looked too casual and Felipe too formal. That said, Felipe was clearly much closer to the norm for this event. Given that Mary doesn't make a habit of being much more casually dressed than others at her public events, I wonder if there was a miscommunication between the two royal households regarding the dress code?

[Cinderella5x]

Originally Posted by dee4855

Why don't we just make it where she can never go to Spain again, call the Queen to lock her in the tower.

That would be a tad exaggerating . I do not think Spain is the problem here

[soapstar]

While I liked the outfit Mary wore to the handball final, I did think she was underdressed. Especially when standing near Felipe and the other officials.

I love the turtleneck and top combo at the Social Business conference. I wish I could see the entire outfit.