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There doesn't appear to be a seperate thread for the hunting lodge in Trend.
Perhaps such tread should be created? - Since M&F spend time there three or four times a year.

If so I'll add a Google view and the usual background info.

Here are four pics of the hunting lodge from different angles.
As you can see it's located in the middle of a forest.

http://www.seoghoer.dk/Nyheder/Royalt/~/media/51027C5F3E32486E96041A2BCAE06A09.ashx

http://www.aalestrupclassic.dk/images/Flyvepladsen-2010-47.jpg

http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00561/fla-jagthytte-0426__561644m.jpg

http://i2-images3.tv2net.dk/s/56/2246156-525714fe17396a45d605932965322c80.jpeg

ADDED: I checked on Google maps. Quite a few of the trees to the north and west of the lodge have been cut down. - That's what happens in forestry, new ones will grow up.
 
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:previous:thank you Muhler.

I really like it. Perfect for an outdoorsy family like Frederik and Mary. and for the 4 kids plus Ziggy to run around in.

This is own by the DRF? Do others besides F&M use it often?
 
Polyesco, I can add that King Frederik IX, Queen Ingrid and their three princesesses used Trend a lot, when the princesesses were kids :)

I haven´t heard that QMII/PH or PJ/PssM uses it.
 
As far as I know no one but M&F are currently using Trend.

But with four children I think we can rest assured that at least some of them will also be visiting when they become adults.

Perhaps they'll spot a wolf? Not sure if wolves have been confirmed this far north, but then it will only be a matter of time. The forests and moores around Trend is perfect for a wolf.
It may surprise some but Denmark is fairly forested. At present a little more than 13% of DK is forest, with even more being semi-woodland. The political aim is that 20-25 % of DK will be forest within a few years.
That comes from an all time low in the 1600's where only 4 % of DK was forest.
A very large part of the old as well as new forest is located in north-central Jutland. So when the twins will be in their late teens, they will be able to go for some serious hikes in the forests around Trend.
The European Bison has also been reintroduced to DK, so again, M&F's children may encounter some when visiting Trend in some fifteen-twenty years from now.
The Golden Eagle is now breeding happily (and pretty enthusiastically too I might add!) after having all but vanished from the scenery here. - The Golden Eagle is in Danish called Kongeørn = king-eagle, very appropriately. And both Christian and Frederik have jokingly been referred to as a kongeørn from time to time.
When you, as a child, is used to the big city, this is about as far out into the wild as you can get here in DK.
 
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FasterB said:
Polyesco, I can add that King Frederik IX, Queen Ingrid and their three princesesses used Trend a lot, when the princesesses were kids :)

I haven´t heard that QMII/PH or PJ/PssM uses it.
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thank you FasterB:flowers:

Muhler said:
As far as I know no one but M&F are currently using Trend.

But with four children I think we can rest assured that at least some of them will also be visiting when they become adults.

Perhaps they'll spot a wolf? Not sure if wolves have been confirmed this far north, but then it will only be a matter of time. The forests and moores around Trend is perfect for a wolf.
It may surprise some but Denmark is fairly forested. At present a little more than 13% of DK is forest, with even more being semi-woodland. The political aim is that 20-25 % of DK will be forest within a few years.
That comes from an all time low in the 1600's where only 4 % of DK was forest.
A very large part of the old as well as new forest is located in north-central Jutland. So when the twins will be in their late teens, they will be able to go for some serious hikes in the forests around Trend.
The European Bison has also been reintroduced to DK, so again, M&F's children may encounter some when visiting Trend in some fifteen-twenty years from now.
The Golden Eagle is now breeding happily (and pretty enthusiastically too I might add!) after having all but vanished from the scenery here. - The Golden Eagle is in Danish called Kongeørn = king-eagle, very appropriately. And both Christian and Frederik have jokingly been referred to as a kongeørn from time to time.
When you, as a child, is used to the big city, this is about as far out into the wild as you can get here in DK.
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As Always Muhler, thank you for the extra dose of Danish history and facts.
I truly enjoy it. :flowers:

The place sounds wonderful. A great time off away from the city
 
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Thank you Muhler. I have a question for you or any of the other Danish members:

The increase in forested areas. Are some of these for commercial forestries or is it mainly a push by the government to encourage land owners to re-forest their land for environmental purposes?

The property in Trend looks perfect for a relaxing getaway.
 
Lady Rosie said:
Thank you Muhler. I have a question for you or any of the other Danish members:

The increase in forested areas. Are some of these for commercial forestries or is it mainly a push by the government to encourage land owners to re-forest their land for environmental purposes?

The property in Trend looks perfect for a relaxing getaway.
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It is mainly an environmental initiative. In order to recreate so much genuine nature as possible.
But it's also a way to utillize marginal yield farmland or patches of farmland that is being encroached near the urban centres. Such patches of lands are often too small for a new owner to continue or too awkwardly placed for an industrialised farm. So quite a few "old McDonald" farms have been bought by the municipalities, raised, trees planted and fifteen years later there is a low forest there. - Now in the middle of a suburb.

In the countryside most small farms have been raised or converted into hobbyfarms. Medium sized farms, not least those who specialise, do fairly well, although many struggle. They simply have no use for low-yield land. Better to sell it to the state or turn it into a small forest/wilderness themselves and earn some extra on hunting.
Then there are the large industrialised farms i.e. pork-factories, poultry-factories, fir-plantations and large areas of high-yield fields. And they often also include private forests for hunting and forestation.
Schackenborg and Frijsenborg are examples of two such major farms with varied lands. While I understand Birkelse Gods is more focused on being a dairy factory.

All state forests are open to the public, although some forestation takes place. But forestation it's hardly the most profitable business and once a forest has started to grow it needs very little manpower to manage. Not least because this is coastal climate and as such the forest fires we have are very limited and easily contained anyway.
But the main thing is that it benefits the Danes and tourists. It's simply nice to have so much nature and so close.
It may surprise many how much wildlife there really is in DK and how close it is to people. Deers are encountered regularly way into the suburbs of the major cities. The same thing goes for badgers and foxes. It's not something to write home about if you encounter one in your backyard. Until the wolves returned just a couple of years ago, the most dangerous predator in DK was the car, so humans are merely an irritant to many animals.

One of the main reasons I believe hunting is no issue here in DK and indeed is widely accepted, is the closeness to nature. Unless you live in downtown Copenhagen, you can exerience genuine wildlife within a very comfortable bicycle distance. The number of hunters are going up, not least among those who live in the cities - and who want to enjoy the nature. One of the more popular TV-shows is about a hunter and a cook, who (hopefully) shoot a specific animal and then they prepare and cook it basically on the spot. Kindergartens often get a visit from a hunter, who bring a deer and break it so the children can see how a deer looks like inside and they learn about about deers and what they eat at the same time. And most people know someone or several who hunt so the concept of culling is natural to most people.
I don't hunt myself, but I know quite a few who hunt (either with guns or cameras) and I have absolutely no qualms about hunting, because nature is much more merciless when it comes to dealing with overpopulation of animals.

Mrs. Muhler is into ornithology and when we go for a walk (living in a village there is quite a lot of nature around) it increase the experience and the sense of feeling good when she points out something. And she can tell how birdlife has changed significantly in her lifetime, - even out here in hillbilly-land. :p
 
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Many thanks Muhler for a very insightful post. Your depth of detail much appreciated.

Yes there is hunting and culling here too when animals become too numerous - including kangaroos. Kangaroo meat is available at the supermarket and I've tried it once or twice. Very tasty and enjoyable but I can't help visualising a 'roo when I eat it!

Thank you for sharing your knowledge on the subject.
 
Muhler said:
There doesn't appear to be a seperate thread for the hunting lodge in Trend.
Perhaps such tread should be created? - Since M&F spend time there three or four times a year.

If so I'll add a Google view and the usual background info.

Here are four pics of the hunting lodge from different angles.
As you can see it's located in the middle of a forest.

http://www.seoghoer.dk/Nyheder/Royalt/~/media/51027C5F3E32486E96041A2BCAE06A09.ashx

http://www.aalestrupclassic.dk/images/Flyvepladsen-2010-47.jpg

http://multimedia.ekstrabladet.dk/archive/00561/fla-jagthytte-0426__561644m.jpg

http://i2-images3.tv2net.dk/s/56/2246156-525714fe17396a45d605932965322c80.jpeg

ADDED: I checked on Google maps. Quite a few of the trees to the north and west of the lodge have been cut down. - That's what happens in forestry, new ones will grow up.
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Thanks for the pictures on Trend. I didn't realize how large it is.
 
Frederiksborg Palace

Frederiksborg Palace is built on a series of islands in a small lake in the city of Hillerød not far from the royal residence Fredensborg Palace. The earliest accounts of a palace in this place dates back to 1275. This palace was called Hillerødsholm and it was owned by the influential aristocratic family Gøye. In 1560 it became the property of the crown and Frederik II started rebuilding the palace. In 1577 Frederiks queen Sophie gave birth to their first born son who at the tender age of 11 succeeded his father as King Christian IV. He would be known for initiating the construction of several grand buildings in Denmark. This ambition almost brought the country to the brink of bankruptcy. He had the old Frederiksborg Palace raised to the ground and from 1600 – 1620 the new renaissance palace was build. During the years of construction Christian IV lived in a small palace overlooking the construction site. This palace was called Sparepenge which translates to 'Savings'. In 1720 'Savings' was demolished and a formal baroque garden was put in its place.
Frederiksborg Palace is the largest renaissance Palace in Scandinavia and it is sometimes referred to as the Versailles of the North which is probably a bit of a stretch. For all Frederiksborg's splendours it was never really popular as a permanent residence for the DRF. It was considered to be too far from the Copenhagen. After the death of Christian IV the palace was mostly used for ceremonial events. The palace church was the scene of the anointment of several royal heads

1671: Christian V and Charlotte Amalie of Hesse-Kassel
1700: Frederick IV and Louise of Mecklenburg-Güstrow
1721: Anna Sophia, consort of Frederick IV
1731: Christian VI and Sophia Magdalena of Brandenburg-Kulmbach
1747: Frederick V and Louise of Great Britain
1752: Juliana Maria of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, consort of Frederick V
1815: Frederick VI and Marie of Hesse-Kassel
1840: Christian VIII and Caroline Amalie of Schleswig-Holstein

The palace church serves as the chapel for the 2 highest Danish orders. Recipients of the Order of Dannebrog and the Order of the Elephant have their coat of arms mounted on the walls of the church. As a knight of the Order of the Elephant the late Nelson Mandela also had his coat of arms mounted in Frederiksborg Palace Church. The wedding of Prince Joachim and Alexandra Manley took place in the palace church on 1995. (here is a link to a broadcast of the wedding – I don't know for how long this link will remain valid Bryllup - Joachim og Alexandra - dr.dk/Bonanza). After their divorce QMII gave Alex the new title 'Countess of Frederiksborg' – maybe as a reference to the place of the wedding ceremony.
It is a tradition that the reigning monarch has his/her portrait hung in the Grand Hall of Frederiksborg Palace.

Today Frederiksborg Palace is museum a museum well worth a visit

...I have read elsewhere on this page that the DRF also has a Palace in Roskilde - there is no palace in Roskilde, so I guess whoever wrote it was thinking of Frederiksborg.

Here's a few links with some very nice photos
Frederiksborg Slot - Wikipedia, den frie encyklopædi
The Museum Of National History
 
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Thanks, crown.:)

Your source states that the building programme by Christian IV brought DK to the brinck of bankrupcy.
That I think is a somewhat hasty conclusion.
Christian IV did indeed build a lot of the magnificent buildings we see today in primarily Copenhagen but Denmark at that time was a wealthy country, simply because we had manged to stay clear from the Thirty Years War and the other wars in Central Europe at the time.
Until that is, we got involved in 1625. That led to the first sacking of Jutland, Holstein and Schleswig.
But the rest of the country was practically unaffected, even though the taxation was high. The casualty rate was limited as well, because the army consited of predominantly mercenaries. But mercenaries costs a fortune!

The Swedish model of general conscription was in its infancy, so the drain on manpower in wars was limited, which again meant that it was easier to recover economically.

Contrary to popular belief the Thirty Years War was not one big atrocity, with constant massacres and sacking of cities. The sacking of Magdeburg later on was actually something of an exception, which it is why it to this day is remembered with horror.
The vast majority of systematic atrocities happened later on, simply because the armies increasingly had to live off the land but also as a means to destroy the economic basis for your enemies. - And that economic impact is, I think, the main reason why the war ended with something as novel as an international summit ending up in a negotiated peace.
The real killer was desease. However estimates sets the number of deaths during the Thirty Years War at eight million in what is modern Germany. That's a lot! - Except, they occured over a thirty year period and the mortality rate was high anyway. So the number of people who died as a direct consequence of the war was actually fairly limited.

Back to Denmark. It was the First Skanska War that brought economic disaster to Denmark and that was initiated by Frederik III. Culminating in the storm on Copenhagen in 1659.
Nevertheless just a couple decades later DK had recovered enough to gather, equip and train a vast army, which narrowly won militarily over Sweden. Politically DK lost that war, But that's another story.

Even after the end of the Great Nordic War in 1720, DK managed to recover quite soon and became, as a country, pretty wealthy during the rest of the 1700's.
Sweden however was still down on it's knees after having its male population decimated and economy shattered to pieces. The Swedish nobillity had amassed a lot of wealth during the wars, little of which trickled down to the rest of the population.
In DK it was primarily merchants who sat on the money, but at least they created jobs and opportunities.

- Oh dear, it happened again! Half a novel, because of one sentence. :rolleyes:

FOLLOW UP.

The building programmes initiated by Christian IV in particular were indeed extensive, but they were also a necessity.
Denmark was during the 1500's and certainly by the year 1600 emerging as a modern European nation. But there wasn't any real stock exchange, there wasn't an official observatory, there wasn't a modern naval yard and many "palaces" were basically run down medieval castles - until Christian IV came along.

Sorry if I'm moving in on your topic, crown, but this is an interesting subject, eh? ;)
 
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You are right - bancruptcy may be a stretch :)
But I believe it is safe to say that the bill for his extensive entrepreneurship was exorbitant
 
crown said:
You are right - bancruptcy may be a stretch :)
But I believe it is safe to say that the bill for his extensive entrepreneurship was exorbitant
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Oh, it was. But remember that the building projects themselves created jobs and stimulated the economy, not least because so many of the buildings were practical. That rubbed off on other wealthy people in DK, who also initiated their own building projects, if for no other reason that they didn't want to appear old fashioned.
Apart from that, money attracts money. It was in this period Danish international or rather global trade expanded in earnest, not least with the help of Dutch settlers, who brought with them a lot of modern methods and also technical innovations. (Some of the Dutch names live on among wellknown Danish families today. Also among M&F's friends. IRRC Meulengracht are of Dutch origin).
While Huegenotte refugees from France settled in other parts of Denmark, especially in the fortress town of Fredericia. They also brought with them a certain drive and know how.
Because during the 1500's Denmark was somewhat of a backwater. Sure we had a very profitable trade in the Baltic, yes we had a strong and quite modern navy but apart from that, there really wasn't much to write home about.

One such thing was Kronborg. But had Shakespeare ever visited Copenhagen Castle at that time, he would without hesitation have moved Hamlet. Copenhagen Castle as a location would be any horror-writers wet dream!

Anyway, had Christian IV not made the big mistake of entering the Thirty Years War, or at least delayed the entry, we might have been a lot better off.
 
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CIV was certainly a complex character. His involvement in the Thirty Years War was only one more bad military decisions. According so some historians the country was in pretty tight financial situation because of his strong urge to build and create. His private life was also a bit of a mess. I wonder if he was as popular in his day as he is now.
His son decided not to finish one of his buildings, the Sankt Anna Rotunda destined to be a Nordic version of St Pauls Cathedral in Rome. I for one think he was a bit of a megalomaniac but I do acknowledge the fact that without him Scandinavia would be a very different place today.
 
Sonderborg Castle is situated in Sonderborg, Denmark on the island of Als in South Jutland.

A fortified tower was constructed by King Valdemar I of Denmark in 1158.
The castle was built to provide protection against attacks by the Wends and was part of a large system of fortifications.

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Ownership of the castle changed hands many times.

The wedding of Valdemar IV (1320-1375) to the Duke of Schleswig's daughter, Helvig of Schleswig, occurred at Sonderborg Castle in 1340. :onering:
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Around 1350 Sonderborg Castle was expanded by the addition of the Blue Tower and huge outer walls.

In 1490, the fortress became the property of the Danish crown. :crown3:

King Hans and his son, King Christian II extended Sonderborg Castle.
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In the mid 1500s King Christian III had the fortress converted into a four-wing castle. :castle:

The architect Hercules von Oberberg built the castle chapel for Queen Dorothea.
The chapel's organ is attributed to the organ builder Hermann Raphaelis. The organ is estimated to have been built in 1570.
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Sonderborg Castle remained in the hands of the dukes of Southern Jutland until 1667.
The castle became a Danish estate.
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The original Grasten Castle was a hunting and leisure castle which was built in the middle of the 1500s.
In 1603 Grasten Castle burned down.
A new edifice was built.
Chancellor Frederik Ahlefeldt had an impressive castle (palace) erected. In 1757 this Grasten Castle (Palace) burned down.
The new Grasten Palace originated in 1759.
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Grasten Palace was renovated as a summer residence for Crown Prince Frederik (the future King Frederik IX) and Crown Princess Ingrid of Denmark when they were newlyweds.
The palace was presented to Frederik and Ingrid by the state as a gift from the people. This occurred in 1935.
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Within the past five years or so wolves have returned to Denmark and that's very exciting.

Here is a map where wolves have been spotted, either by DNA evidence or by cameras. - Eye wittness reports and carcasses have not been included. And I have added the location of the royal residences.
https://app.box.com/s/hh2dogang70w41evnvvt
 
As a follow up on my previous post: DNA-analyser afslører: Mindst 11 ulve i Danmark | Videnskab.dk

At least eleven different wolves have now been positively identified here in DK, since the first spotting in 2012.
So far they've only been spottet in Jutland, but it must only be a matter of time before some swim across to the Island of Funen, despite the strong current. And only an icewinter away before they may cross the ice to Zealand.

The wolves appears to have migrated all the way from the Polish/german border, two perhaps all the way from the Baltic countries.

As it is it's now only a matter of time before M&F, not to mention J&M at Schackenborg will hear wolves and perhaps spot one themselves.
It appears to be a surprise that so many wolves have ended up here in DK and so fast. - But I don't think so. After they have entered the Jutland peninsula, there really aren't many places to go from there, it's a looong swim to Norway and Sweden from here.
Last year traces of a wolf was found within a comfortable walking distance of our home.

Foreigners are often surprised at how much woodland and forest there is here in DK. While there a lots of people in eastern Zealand, centran Funen and along th east coats of Jutland there are many places outside that area that is fairly undisturbed.
 
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:previous:I love wolves a great deal, I collect pictures, calendars, and figurines of them as dogs and all animals in Africa. I hope nobody kills them, after all the 4 legged animal was here before us(humans, sometimes we are the most hateful of all animals) and they deserve a place on this earth as much as anyone does. Only 12 in the entire country.........that sure isn't a heck of a lot of wolves now. And I also collect bears, even stuffed ones that I had as a child now ragged and torn to pieces, I am a huge fan of the 4 legged animal and not a huge fan of the 2 legged human animal for we don't do justice to our 4 legged animals at all as we are the one with the *Brains* which we don't use most of the time.
 
:previous: It's illegal to shoot them.

However eleven wolves or more is a decent size, considering there haven't been any here since 1700-something.
I believe I read somewhere that DK can accomodate up to around 30 wolves, a pack needs a big territory.

Alas, a few of them will be shot illegally, and some will also fall prey to the most dangerous predator here in DK, the car.
But that's a good thing. It keeps the wolves scared of humans. Their fear is their best protection.

But they sure a fascinating animals and it's not like we have seen people being attacked by wolves in Germany, where the (human) population density is in some places a lot higher than here, so I think there is very little reason to fear them. And with the European bison returning to DK as well, wildlife here is starting to get interesting!
 
A completely updated, edited and much more detailed map of DRF residencies, homes of some of their friends and other locations often associated with the DRF.
https://app.box.com/s/5pc2zsdggt19264bqvfd

Large file! Allow time to load. - So I suggest you download and use it for future reference.

Future updates and additions to the map will be posted in this thread.
 
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Muhler said:
A completely updated, edited and much more detailed map of DRF residencies, homes of some of their friends and other locations often associated with the DRF.
https://app.box.com/s/5pc2zsdggt19264bqvfd

Large file! Allow time to load. - So I suggest you download and use it for future reference.

Future updates and additions to the map will be posted in this thread.
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Muhler, this is absolutely beautiful and helps a lot to visualize :flowers:
great job and a big thank you.
 
https://app.box.com/s/uw4i6f68w1f7d3rau4gn
https://app.box.com/s/5374a203wwfmb5g3fb1d

This might interest those among you who are interested in antique furnitures and/or old junk.

Explanation to captions: Vurderet = estimated sale price. Hammerslag = sold for at auction.

Summary of article in Billed Bladet #25, 2014.
Written by our aution investigator, Lisbeth Grube.

Recently the court put up 1.200 items and furnitures for sale. They all came from the palaces: Christiansborg, Amalienborg, Eremitageslottet, Sorgenfri and Bernstorff.
It was the first such auction for 60 years.

Most of the furnitures were from guest rooms, representation, offices and so on, but there were also a number of items that had been used by the DRF privately.
Most of was as such (IMO) old junk but there were a few gems here and there.
The assessment was for 1.2 million DKK, but every single item was sold for a total of 1.5 million DKK. And the surplus will go to renovate furnitures at palaces and museums. (The DRF employ their own artisans who restore funritures).
The owner of the auction house, Ole Steen Christensen, believe QMII has had a look at all (the personal) items, just to check and to okay them being sold.
- As far as I can tell most of the furnitures are from Frederik IX and Queen Ingrid and before that.

If you look at the first scan, in the lower left corner, you will see a sticker and a stamp.
The sticker with IF, means that the item was used privately by Frederik IX and Queen Ingrid.
The stamp means that the items is no longer in use.

You are very welcome, Polyesco. :)
 
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Her er prins Joachims nye hjem - Hus - Bolig

Jyllands Posten reports that Joachim and our Marie have bought their new home.
It is as yet not fully confirmed but Jyllands Posten is a very serious newspaper.
The house is located north of Copenhagen City in Klampenborg in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in DK.
The is from 1919. The ground is large, some 2.500 square meters and the newly renovated house is big as well, some 600 square meters.
The price is estimated at around 35 million DKK or a little more than 6 million Dollars or around 4.5 million Euro.

More details here: Her skal prins Joachim og prinsesse Marie bo - Boliga.dk

Emiliekildevej 19A - Villa på 344 kvm - 2930 Klampenborg (Arkiv)
 
It looks nice and quite private with large grounds and a selection of outbuildings.
 
The press has now begun to decend on J&Ms new home.

Here are a number of pics from BT, as far as they were able to obtain them: Se billederne: Her er Joachim og Maries nye hjem | www.bt.dk

A car, believed to be from PET, has been observed in the area.
The road the villa is located on is closed, which means the entrance to the houses on that road can be fenced off.
It will be a relatively minor expenxe to place a guard at the gate, whether that guard will come from a private company or if considered necessary from PET. People on the orad should certainly be able to afford security 24/7.
The increased security and police patrolling as it is will no doubt please the neighbors!
 
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Another forum said it was in the same street as Hvidore. Once co-owned by sisters Qu Alexandra and the Empress Maria Feodorovna.
 
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How far is their new house from the Palace? From Alex's house? From Nikolai's new boarding school?
What will now happen to the apartment (at the palace) that Joachim Marie & children have been semi living in? Will someone else move in?

Thanks
 
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