The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #321  
Old 09-29-2018, 03:31 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 13,557
It is!
I had heard about such stories and apart from a few well-documented cases I wondered how much truth there was in them.
It's a little more, how to put it, authentic, when you actually see the skeleton of someone who suffered this gruesome fate.

ADDED:
Here is more on Dragsholm. It really was an unpleasant place to end up!

Text by Cheryl Adams Richkoff.

- Centuries later, this type of immurement was still being used, but as a form of punishment. A good example comes from the unfortunate end of James Hepburn, third husband of Mary, Queen of Scots, who was accused of treason and other high crimes. He fled Scotland, but was apprehended in Denmark where they imprisoned him beneath Dragsholm Castle, outside of Copenhagen. He was put in a hole that was not large enough for him to stand in, tossed scraps of food, chained, and in complete darkness.

The Danish considered his case for a time, but eventually, as politics changed, Hepburn was forgotten. Five years later, they remembered Hepburn and observed that he was more like a wild animal than a human. Snarling, crawling, and pacing back and forth on his chain, Hepburn died shortly after the observation. -

The story about the Earl of Bothwell is true.
The message went out to Queen Elizabeth I that he had gone completely insane while at Dragsholm...
Something that would have been politically convenient for QEI. Keep in mind that Protestant England and Protestant Denmark was on very good terms at the time. These god relations became even better when James I ended up on the throne.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #322  
Old 09-29-2018, 03:37 PM
Osipi's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 15,158
What a fascinating place with a very long history. I'm going to put it on my list of places to take hubby one of these days without telling him anything. He's sensitive to spirits and says he actually talked to one of them in a old civil war building here.

The story of Celeste's spirit adds to the human understanding of what this unfortunate being must have gone through and felt at the time. What a cruel punishment. But then, I suppose as it was a different time and place, it would have been deemed acceptable.

Thanks Muhler!
__________________

__________________
To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. ~~ Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~
Reply With Quote
  #323  
Old 09-29-2018, 04:09 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 13,557
You are welcome.

Interred alive would actually have been considered a pretty extreme punishment at the time, even in a country that by the time was still half medieval. - For a noble girl, that is.

There are a couple of things to take into consideration.
By 1540 Denmark had just recovered after what was arguably one of the most vicious and brutal civil wars in our history - and some of the "old habits" in regards to extreme punishments during wars had perhaps not been forgotten.
Another matter is the Bloodbath in Stockholm in 1520, in which the Danish king (Christian II), literally decapitated a good deal of the Swedish nobility in order to quell political opposition in Sweden. That backfired big time, but that's another story. That bloodbath was considered very shocking at the time! - So brutality and what was executions without a trial was not something novel.
On top of that the Danish nobility fought a stubborn rearguard action in regards to maintaining the old privileges of the nobility. Mainly tax exemptions but also the right to hand out sentences over the peasants within their fief and also within their own families, as we see in this example.
The kings wanted to have a central government and having courts of law dealing with such issues, also in regards to the nobility.

Killing the stable-boy without a trial would strictly speaking have been illegal since 1282, where the Danish version of Magna Carta (It was very much a copy of Magna Carta!) was written.
And so would the bricking up of a daughter. - To "counter" that, it could be argued that the daughter wasn't actually killed - she "merely" died from suffocation, shock or thirst from being interred alive... And it says in the Bible, if you interpret it selectively, that the head of a household has the right to slay family members if they sin.
And anyway it wasn't anyone's business but the family, so buck off!
Reply With Quote
  #324  
Old 09-29-2018, 04:50 PM
Tarlita's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Near Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 2,029
Gosh Muhler what an interesting story. You are right the Castle is not a warm inviting looking place at all. And I question why any couple would Want to marry there, let alone stay the night with a ghost.
Every country it seems has gruesome medieval histories. And some more recent gruesome histories.

Osipi I often have very strong feelings with Aboriginal spirits here. The best way to explain it is I often Feel a spirit presence when i am in certain places. Usually in the outback, where you are not surrounded by manmade noise.

Thanks again Muhler for your time, you have always been a great story teller.
Reply With Quote
  #325  
Old 10-19-2018, 11:10 AM
eya eya is offline
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: -, Greece
Posts: 17,823
Autumn colors at the royal castles

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpHVKISA...danskekongehus
Reply With Quote
  #326  
Old 11-08-2018, 07:30 PM
CyrilVladisla's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Conneaut, United States
Posts: 5,614
Photographs of the Yellow Palace in the 1800s
The salon, dining room and study are featured. Prince Valdemar and Princess Marie's rooms are also featured.
Winter Palace Research : The Yellow Palace - Det Gule Palæ - in Copenhagen
Reply With Quote
  #327  
Old 04-02-2019, 10:49 AM
eya eya is offline
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: -, Greece
Posts: 17,823
The Palace share spring pictures from the Royal Castles!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BvwV2dzgiLv/
Reply With Quote
  #328  
Old 04-16-2019, 11:16 AM
Muhler's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 13,557
In light of the horrible fire at Notre Dame yesterday, questions have been asked what would happen if something similar should happen at one of the Danish palaces or churches that are of national-cultural importance.

https://jyllands-posten.dk/premium/i...gtigst-foerst/

For each such building there is a contingency plan. Each room with artifacts contain a secret list the firefighters will use, listing what to save first.
The order is: Save what can be saved, but try save items X, Y, Z first.
The lists are secret, in order not to make things easier for thieves.

It is down to the fire-chief in charge to decide which rooms in say a palace that are to be emptied for artifacts. Of course priorities are to the rooms most in danger of the flames.

In Roskilde Cathedral, which is the cathedral that can best be compared in importance to Notre Dame, the attic is vacuum cleaned regularly to prevent dust from nourishing a fire.

However, the Danish Emergency Organizations have called for better measures against fire at the various historical buildings. - And after the fire yesterday I think it's safe to say that there will be a review at the various buildings.
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
alexandra manley, castles, christian iv, countess alexandra, danish royal history, danish royal palaces, denmark, palaces, residences


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
General Discussion about Dutch Royal Residences Tina Dutch Royal Residences 29 07-25-2020 06:25 AM
The Queen and Australia: Residences, Governor-General, etc... happy_27 Queen Elizabeth II and the Duke of Edinburgh 857 07-24-2020 07:11 AM
General Discussion about Royal Residences auroraDaniel British Royal Residences 166 07-13-2020 05:22 PM
Swedish Residences General Discussion Josefine Swedish Royal Residences 91 06-15-2020 09:41 AM
General Discussion about Belgian Royal Residences Cathérine Bergeyck Belgian Royal Residences 11 12-08-2019 11:25 AM




Popular Tags
abdication abu dhabi american history bangladesh belgian royal family bridal gown canada chittagong cht clarence house coronavirus countess of snowdon danish history diana princess of wales dna dutch dutch history dutch royal family edo facts family tree fantasy movie genealogy habsburg henry v hill historical drama house of bourbon house of grimaldi house of orange-nassau house of saxe-coburg and gotha imperial household intro jewelry jumma languages list of rulers lithuanian castles mail maxima mbs netherlands northern ireland norway norway history palaces palestine prince daniel princess chulabhorn princess dita random facts royal dress-ups royal jewels royal marriage royal re-enactments. royal wedding royal wedding gown russian court dress settings shakespeare spain spanish royal swedish royal family thailand thai royal family tips tracts united kingdom visit from sweden working royals; full-time royals; part-time royals;


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:23 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2020
Jelsoft Enterprises
×