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Old 12-22-2018, 04:56 AM
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I should say the only way I see it happening is if, as has sometimes being reported, Charles stays at CH when King. In that case I definitely thing the Cambridge (as the Wales') would acquire new space - not for them personally but for their staff.

If, as iI fully expect, Charles moves to BP, then I think W&K will keep Apartment 1a and use office space in St James and Clarence House and possibly use St James' and Clarence House for official receptions, events etc.
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Old 12-22-2018, 06:16 AM
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I should say the only way I see it happening is if, as has sometimes being reported, Charles stays at CH when King. In that case I definitely thing the Cambridge (as the Wales') would acquire new space - not for them personally but for their staff.

If, as iI fully expect, Charles moves to BP, then I think W&K will keep Apartment 1a and use office space in St James and Clarence House and possibly use St James' and Clarence House for official receptions, events etc.
Due to the lengthy programme of renovations at BP, any potential move to BP for C&C is at least a decade away, irrespective of when Charles becomes King.

There is certainly an argument for W&C to remain at KP in the next reign, though I am unclear of what will come of CH in the period between C&C moving to BP (at least a decade away), and William becoming King. It is far to substantial and grand a residence to be suitable for Harry.

As regards KP, I think the next 10-15 years will probably see a reasonable amount of change, as the Gloucesters and the two Kent couples pass on. How the freed up real estate gets used remains to be seen.
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Old 12-22-2018, 07:00 PM
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As regards KP, I think the next 10-15 years will probably see a reasonable amount of change, as the Gloucesters and the two Kent couples pass on. How the freed up real estate gets used remains to be seen.
The Kents may well be passing on in the next 10-15 years, but the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester are nearly the same age as Charles and Camilla: the Duke was born in 1944 (just four years older than Charles) and the Duchess in 1946.
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Old 12-22-2018, 07:32 PM
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Why couldn't Harry and Meghan use Harry's old apartment at St Jams's palace as overnight stays when in London for official events. Once they are living in Frogmore Cottage.
Both William and Harry had rooms at St James's Palace before they married.
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The Kents may well be passing on in the next 10-15 years, but the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester are nearly the same age as Charles and Camilla: the Duke was born in 1944 (just four years older than Charles) and the Duchess in 1946.
And Prince Michael is only 76- he could be around another 20 years.
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Why couldn't Harry and Meghan use Harry's old apartment at St Jams's palace as overnight stays when in London for official events. Once they are living in Frogmore Cottage.
Both William and Harry had rooms at St James's Palace before they married.
Those rooms may have been already repurposed over the past 5 years.
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Old 12-22-2018, 09:11 PM
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Due to the lengthy programme of renovations at BP, any potential move to BP for C&C is at least a decade away, irrespective of when Charles becomes King.

There is certainly an argument for W&C to remain at KP in the next reign, though I am unclear of what will come of CH in the period between C&C moving to BP (at least a decade away), and William becoming King. It is far to substantial and grand a residence to be suitable for Harry.

As regards KP, I think the next 10-15 years will probably see a reasonable amount of change, as the Gloucesters and the two Kent couples pass on. How the freed up real estate gets used remains to be seen.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's Charles' intention that CH is just kept in waiting for Camilla for the possibility that Charles, after his ascension, predeceases her.

First, if Charles predeceases her after their ascension, Camilla will be a widowed Queen Consort (yes, yes, Princess Consort, but legally speaking, she'll be the QC), and you can't just pack off a widowed QC to Ray Mill House. This isn't 1547.

Second, even beside the optics, a hypothetical widowed QC/PC Camilla will have work she wants to do and need a London base to do it from, much like the QM did. She's not going to drop all of those patronages, and she seems genuinely dedicated to her work with literacy and abuse victims. Also, I see her as continuing to host the Christmas party for ill children for as long as she's physically able.

Finally, I can see Charles seeing it as the house of his beloved Granny being the widow's residence of his beloved wife, given how much he loved/s both women.

Given that we've been told that W&K will stay at KP until such time as they may be called to serve as king and queen, and that we've been told Harry and Meghan will make their main home at Frogmore, I think it's most sensible to take things at face value and not expect to see H&M in a large apartment in London.
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Those rooms may have been already repurposed over the past 5 years.

So true. It's just all speculation really.
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Old 12-22-2018, 10:34 PM
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Harry and Meghan might not get a residence in London immediately or move from Nott Cott into a KP apartment.

Nevertheless, I think it was quite significant that when Frogmore Cottage was announced as the Sussexes' home and Richard Palmer asked KP officials repeatedly if the Cottage was to be their longterm home he constantly received the reply 'For the foreseeable future' and they refused to expand on that.

What is more Palmer was repeatedly told over a matter of years by people on Charles's staff that Clarence House was earmarked for Harry's future use. So, however insignificant and unimportant Harry may be regarded by some, Charles may have other ideas about his only other son and his future in the BRF, during his reign at least!
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Old 12-23-2018, 01:23 AM
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What is more Palmer was repeatedly told over a matter of years by people on Charles's staff that Clarence House was earmarked for Harry's future use. So, however insignificant and unimportant Harry may be regarded by some, Charles may have other ideas about his only other son and his future in the BRF, during his reign at least!
My sense is that H&M will continue to have the use of Nott Cott, and possibly at some stage in the future, a larger apartment at KP. In my view, CH is too grand a residence for H&M, but as you say, Charles may have other ideas.
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Old 12-23-2018, 01:48 AM
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Instead of Clarence House laying idol/empty for many years it would be an excellent London home for Harry and Meghan.
Surely thoughts of who was going to live where would have been worked out a very long time ago.
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Old 12-23-2018, 02:24 AM
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Instead of Clarence House laying idol/empty for many years it would be an excellent London home for Harry and Meghan.
Surely thoughts of who was going to live where would have been worked out a very long time ago.
In my opinion, it is too grand and significant a property for Harry. It has only been used by main line royals in the last century or so, by future monarchs and dowagers.

Harry has been given a place in Windsor, and that should suffice. In time, a larger flat at KP may follow, but that would be unusual and a break with the pattern that has been followed by the younger children of the last two monarchs.
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It has only been used by main line royals in the last century or so, by future monarchs and dowagers.
Harry is main line and will become more so once his father ascends the throne. Clarence House was the London home of the Duke of Connaught until he died in 1942. Different times of course, but like Harry will be, he was the son and brother of kings.
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I doubt the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will ever live at Clarence House, and not merely because of the history of its past usage, but principally because it is a rather dour house , and not ideal for Children.
I doubt it would be attuned to the Duchess' 'American tastes', and being Grade 1 listed it cannot be gutted [to make it more 'modern'] in the way Frogmore Cottage seems likely to be.
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Old 12-23-2018, 05:41 AM
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And what specifically 'American tastes' do you know that Meghan possesses in interior design?
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Old 12-23-2018, 05:43 AM
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I don't believe that the status of the royal or the closeness to the monarch really has anything to do with where they set up residences. Like all of us, we choose to live where we feel attuned to. Being a British royal does have its drawbacks as there are certain requirements such as security that has to be taken into consideration.

Charles is a good example of this. Even though he is the heir apparent and The Prince of Wales along with being the Duke of Cornwall, he chose his own preference for a country home in Highgrove. He felt attuned to that place and had visions of what the gardens could look like and pursued a project called Duchy Originals. His involvement with Highgrove for the Duchy of Cornwall has turned out to be a good business investment.

So, I think its very possible that Harry and Meghan will continue to use Nottingham Cottage for as long as they possibly can simply because they're attuned to it. Its where they spent time during their courtship in relative peace and quiet. Meghan even included a flower that grows in their garden there in her wedding veil. The place has a special meaning for them. Just like the area around Windsor Castle does.
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Harry is main line and will become more so once his father ascends the throne. Clarence House was the London home of the Duke of Connaught until he died in 1942. Different times of course, but like Harry will be, he was the son and brother of kings.
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I don't believe that the status of the royal or the closeness to the monarch really has anything to do with where they set up residences. Like all of us, we choose to live where we feel attuned to. Being a British royal does have its drawbacks as there are certain requirements such as security that has to be taken into consideration.
Harry is an "main line" as Andrew currently is.

And whilst there is usually a degree of flexibility in what accommodation choices are made, CH is by far a much bigger house than what Harry will need, and could probably afford to run. It has vast office spaces, as well as entertaining rooms. Harry will be able to use the rooms at BP, SJP and KP for those purposes. He is also unlikely to have the staff that will need as much space as CH affords.
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I think Charles considers Harry to be a significant part of the working RF. I remember the balcony scene for the Queen's diamond jubilee in 2012, where the absence of the extended family was (according to all the commentators) an indication of what the future slimmed-down RF will look like in the next reign: Charles, his wife, his sons & their wives. He could have had Anne, Andrew & Edward up there but he chose not to & that was a sign of how he sees the core working family under his reign.

Harry is already a full-time working royal so the notion of Clarence House being his future London residence seems appropriate to me. Who else would live there if Charles moves to BP as expected? It's been reported (yes I know!) that William intends to keep KP as his base even after Charles becomes King. It's probably another 25 years before George has his own residence & by then, other properties will be available. By the time William is King and his children have grown up & become working royals, William might wish to reduce Harry's role but that's probably 30 years away.

So 'for the foreseeable future' Frogmore Cottage is ideal for Harry & his young family, away from 'the goldfish bowl' of KP with somewhere smaller as his London base (NottCott or similar) & these might be his permanent residences but I doubt it.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:14 AM
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So, I think its very possible that Harry and Meghan will continue to use Nottingham Cottage for as long as they possibly can simply because they're attuned to it. Its where they spent time during their courtship in relative peace and quiet. Meghan even included a flower that grows in their garden there in her wedding veil. The place has a special meaning for them. Just like the area around Windsor Castle does.
The number of places with special meanings only grow in time. Lets not over cook this. Whilst KP may be where they spent time in their courtship, so was the home in Toronto that is no longer in use by them.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:29 AM
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I think Charles considers Harry to be a significant part of the working RF. I remember the balcony scene for the Queen's diamond jubilee in 2012, where the absence of the extended family was (according to all the commentators) an indication of what the future slimmed-down RF will look like in the next reign: Charles, his wife, his sons & their wives. He could have had Anne, Andrew & Edward up there but he chose not to & that was a sign of how he sees the core working family under his reign.

Harry is already a full-time working royal so the notion of Clarence House being his future London residence seems appropriate to me.
Harry is a significant member of the royal family, as the son of and the brother of future monarchs. He has an important supporting role. That should not be underestimated. Perhaps it is the role that Margaret played, from the 1950s and till Charles and his siblings became full time royals.

That said that does not mean the RF needs to materially alter the housing model that has been run for the last few generations for the younger children of the monarch, from Margaret to Anne, Andrew and Edward. They either get give their principal home in the country with a pied-a-terre in London (Anne, Andrew, Edward) or they just get a substantial London home (Margaret) and no country home. In Harry's case, you can see that FC and NC will follow that same pattern. If, in time, Harry is to be provided a more substantial London home, my sense is that something at KP may be made available for him.

This model is, in part, because of the costs of acquiring some of these properties and their ongoing costs. More junior royals tend not to have the financial resources to fund multiple expensive homes.


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Who else would live there if Charles moves to BP as expected? It's been reported (yes I know!) that William intends to keep KP as his base even after Charles becomes King.
Good question, one I had myself asked just yesterday on these forums, and one to which I have no immediate answer. Might it be a Dower house for Camilla? Might it become the offices of the Princes Trust? Perhaps more office space for the BRF? I don't know.
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