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Thanks hel. I was wondering what the building was named and its purpose.
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:07 PM
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New security measures in place at Windsor ahead of the Sussex move to Windsor.
https://www.hellomagazine.com/homes/...ge-new-photos/
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:10 PM
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That picture does not look like Frogmore Cottage.


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Old 12-12-2018, 02:26 PM
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The focus is on the security at Windsor in connection with the couple's relocation. I don't think that photos can be taken of their intended home that easily.

I posted the link as some posters were concerned about the security at Frogmore Cottage. It appears that additional security is being implemented around the Windsor estate.
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Old 12-12-2018, 02:45 PM
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Thanks for the heads up Terri.
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Old 12-12-2018, 03:50 PM
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It's good to know, but I think we all expected that security would be increased. What would be interesting to know is whether some of the footpaths and the roads will be rerouted or actually closed. It's not just the footpath that runs so close to the back of the house, it's also that because of the roughly triangular shape of the land around the house, a road actually runs along one complete side of the grounds and part of the second side. I'm assuming that all of the will be made more private and more secure, too.
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I think that once the Gloucesterís are no longer residing at KP ó then the place will be updated and the Sussexís will move in. Having larger apartment and a country home at Frogmore in the foreseeable future. As he is the soon to be Kingís son it is and will be different than his aunt and uncles situations. There are only 2 really large apartments at KP right.???
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I don't think that will be the case. They are already getting a home with renovations funded by the sovereign grant. They won't get a second one.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:18 PM
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I think that once the Gloucesterís are no longer residing at KP ó then the place will be updated and the Sussexís will move in. Having larger apartment and a country home at Frogmore in the foreseeable future. As he is the soon to be Kingís son it is and will be different than his aunt and uncles situations. There are only 2 really large apartments at KP right.???
I donít think anyone can really tell when the Gloucesters apartments would be available. Nor do Harry and Meghan have to go there if it is available. I donít know if Frogmore Cottage will be their forever and only home. I think itís telling that KP refuse to say anything other than itíll be their home in the foreseeable future. Itís likely theyíll be there for awhile, but there is always the chance for things to shift in the future like it did for Charles and Andrew when the Queen Mum passed away.

We also donít know what the lease term for Frogmore Cottage is. Does anyone remember how we found out about Bagshot and Royal Lodge? Was that released at the move in or did we find out in a different way later? Like whenever the annual report is done for Crown Estates?

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I don't think that will be the case. They are already getting a home with renovations funded by the sovereign grant. They won't get a second one.
Anytime renovations are done on a rental property, itís at the expense of the renter. Which is why Andrew gets a discounted rent on Royal Lodge. He put in millions to renovate that. We still donít know the terms. Itís just that usually the working royals are provided with free accommodation one way or another. Andrew was given Sunninghill, Anne was given Gatcombe, Gloucesters love at KP for free, etc. Which makes sense because they work for the monarchy, and cannot hold a for profit career like non working royals are expected to.
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Old 12-15-2018, 01:32 PM
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Don't quote me on this but I think the work on Frogmore Cottage will be comparable to the work that was done on Apartment 1A at KP for the Cambridges. The Sovereign Grant paid for the work such as removing asbestos and structural repairs but the interior was solely up to the Cambridges with help from Charles.

With Frogmore Cottage, the Sovereign Grant may pay for the same as far as structural repair but anything as far as personalizing the property will be up to Harry and Meghan.

I'm sure the information will become public sooner or later like the work at Apartment 1A and Amner Hall were. The Queen funded the exterior structural repairs for Amner and Will and Kate paid for the personal renovations if I remember right.
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Don't quote me on this but I think the work on Frogmore Cottage will be comparable to the work that was done on Apartment 1A at KP for the Cambridges. The Sovereign Grant paid for the work such as removing asbestos and structural repairs but the interior was solely up to the Cambridges with help from Charles.
As far as the system that will be used (The Sovereign Grant paying for part of the work, rest from private founds of Charles/Harry/Queen) you're probably right and it will look like that. As far as the costs go, I think the renovations on Frogmore Cottage should be less expensive than work on Apartment 1A (or the work that Apartment 1 would require). I can be wrong here, of course, but unless Harry and Meghan are planing to do something really extravagant, I'm pretty sure it'll be more comparable to Anmer Hall rather than Apartment 1A.
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Old 12-16-2018, 01:49 AM
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As far as the system that will be used (The Sovereign Grant paying for part of the work, rest from private founds of Charles/Harry/Queen) you're probably right and it will look like that. As far as the costs go, I think the renovations on Frogmore Cottage should be less expensive than work on Apartment 1A (or the work that Apartment 1 would require). I can be wrong here, of course, but unless Harry and Meghan are planing to do something really extravagant, I'm pretty sure it'll be more comparable to Anmer Hall rather than Apartment 1A.
I think it is difficult to tell how much work will be required at FC relative to KP 1A. My sense is that a complete gut of FC is probably required, to convert it from 5 workers cottage to a royal residence. To me, that would mean significant structural work with walls being moved around, perhaps an extension or two, electrics, flooring, plumbing....
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Old 12-16-2018, 03:12 AM
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Anytime renovations are done on a rental property, itís at the expense of the renter. Which is why Andrew gets a discounted rent on Royal Lodge. He put in millions to renovate that. We still donít know the terms.
We do know the terms:

Andrew paid for all the renovations at Royal Lodge in return for a 75 year lease. He doesn't pay anything annually as he paid for all the repairs and renovations himself. If he leaves the house - i.e. it is returned to the Crown Estate and available for someone else prior to the first 25 years he gets some of the money he paid refunded but after that he gets nothing back but still pays nothing. He is also able to leave it to his daughters for their exclusive use until the end of the 76 year lease.

These terms were made public when the repairs/renovations were being done in the official annual returns that The Queen provides to parliament to explain her spending from both the then Civil List and the Duchy of Lancaster.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:41 AM
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I think it is difficult to tell how much work will be required at FC relative to KP 1A. My sense is that a complete gut of FC is probably required, to convert it from 5 workers cottage to a royal residence. To me, that would mean significant structural work with walls being moved around, perhaps an extension or two, electrics, flooring, plumbing....
I have been thinking that FC likely needs extensive work to return it to a single family home. This is why I have thought that the timeline for completion was was a bit "optimistic." I have a feeling that Baby Sussex will be in NC not FC for the beginning.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:26 AM
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I have been thinking that FC likely needs extensive work to return it to a single family home. This is why I have thought that the timeline for completion was was a bit "optimistic." I have a feeling that Baby Sussex will be in NC not FC for the beginning.
It will go faster if they simply blow out all the existing walls to rewire, replumb, insulate, bring the structure up to code. And people have said that they can do that in a Grade 2 structure.

It has a a fair number of windows - that might have been replaced already. They do not look decrepit in the photos. So that's an advantage.

But, if we are generous, and say work started in October, and allowing for 6 months minimum that puts finishing right at the due date. And I would say 6 months is a reasonable time line for a historic redo of this size. We've never seen these royal property renos come in on time. And I doubt work started in October. The architects stared planning in October, maybe.

And every snag they run into; every time Harry or Meghan or protections consultants change their mind about something in the design, it delays things more.

I'd really love to be in the area right now and find a pub where construction people and craftsmen hang out and just listen to the gossip flying about. We would learn a lot.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't I read somewhere that plans were originally submitted in May and then some updates were submitted in October?
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It will go faster if they simply blow out all the existing walls to rewire, replumb, insulate, bring the structure up to code. And people have said that they can do that in a Grade 2 structure.

It has a a fair number of windows - that might have been replaced already. They do not look decrepit in the photos. So that's an advantage.

But, if we are generous, and say work started in October, and allowing for 6 months minimum that puts finishing right at the due date. And I would say 6 months is a reasonable time line for a historic redo of this size. We've never seen these royal property renos come in on time. And I doubt work started in October. The architects stared planning in October, maybe.

And every snag they run into; every time Harry or Meghan or protections consultants change their mind about something in the design, it delays things more.


I'd really love to be in the area right now and find a pub where construction people and craftsmen hang out and just listen to the gossip flying about. We would learn a lot.
Right, and that's assuming all the planning for decor has been done in advance, and everything goes perfectly: the paint looks exactly the same as was imagined, all the cabinets, fixtures and furniture were ordered and come in on time (and fit!) and everything goes exactly to plan. You can throw money at a renovation, but you still can't be perfectly in control of everything. There are lots of moving parts, and consequently a lot of things to go wrong or get delayed. And that's not even taking into consideration the kinds of things that might be found and require remediation once those interior walls come down, and the workers get a good look at the plumbing and wiring.

I've always been extremely skeptical about the supposed plan to move in before the baby is born, but anything is possible I suppose.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't I read somewhere that plans were originally submitted in May and then some updates were submitted in October?
There were plans submitted back in April but that was to renovate what they still considered 5 apartments. So the plan to turn it into a single family home wasn't quite on the radar yet. That was a recent development.

I also have my doubts they will be all moved in by the time Baby Sussex arrives in March/April though it will depend how fast they work. Per the documents it appears no one has lived on the property for a while so they would have been able to start work immediately.

Most likely they will stay at NottCott for a few days and then transfer to their Cotsworld home until renovations are well enough.
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I think that once the Gloucester’s are no longer residing at KP — then the place will be updated and the Sussex’s will move in. Having larger apartment and a country home at Frogmore in the foreseeable future. As he is the soon to be King’s son it is and will be different than his aunt and uncles situations. There are only 2 really large apartments at KP right.???
The Gloucesters are not moving from KP.

Harry will be in exactly the same situation his aunt and uncles are in right now- younger children of the monarch.
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do any pictures of the interior of frogmore cottage exist?
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