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Old 11-17-2018, 10:13 AM
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Seeing the massive renovations coming to Buckingham Palace (and do not underestimate the disruption and nuisance it causes) I can see the future King and Queen keeping residence at Clarence House, while using still functioning parts of Buckingham Palace for official functions and as office.

That means that Clarence House will possibly not be available for the future Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge (William and Catherine). So possibly there will not be much of a carroussel after the accession of King Charles until the renovation works of Buckingham Palace are finished.

Note that any solution in which the palace is partly kept in function only accelerates the costs. It is easier to have the whole building emptied and totally accessible for renovation, than to do it part by part, including costly preparations to shield the functioning parts from asbestose removal, dirt, dust, noise, drilling, trembling coming from the constrution site-next-door.

This means that the main appartments of Kensington Palace, now occupied by William & Catherine, will possibly not be available for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for quite a number of years.
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Old 11-17-2018, 10:20 AM
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They can surely work that out somehow. Especially if William is not interested in living there and Harry and Meghan would, it would probably in everyone's best interest if Harry and Meghan would live there.
Most members of the BRF, IMO, are well used to living within their means and not over extending themselves. I would be surprised if H&M were to take on a home far bigger than they need, and one that could financially stretch them.

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I am aware that the main cost is related to all the 'extra's' but depending on how the estate is used, the duchy could probably take care of that part.
Why should William be left out-of-pocket to fund his brothers lifestyle?

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Especially, if the alternative is that the estate is not used by anyone, in that case the duchy still has to pay for the upkeep somehow.
If William did not want to live in it, the alternative for the Duchy would be to sell it.

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Seeing the massive renovations coming to Buckingham Palace (and do not underestimate the disruption and nuisance it causes) I can see the future King and Queen keeping residence at Clarence House, while using still functioning parts of Buckingham Palace for official functions and as office.

That means that Clarence House will possibly not be available for the future Duke and Duchess of Cornwall and Cambridge (William and Catherine). So possibly there will not be much of a carroussel after the accession of King Charles until the renovation works of Buckingham Palace are finished.

Note that any solution in which the palace is partly kept in function only accelerates the costs. It is easier to have the whole building emptied and totally accessible for renovation, than to do it part by part, including costly preparations to shield the functioning parts from asbestose removal, dirt, dust, noise, drilling, trembling coming from the constrution site-next-door.

This means that the main appartments of Kensington Palace, now occupied by William & Catherine, will possibly not be available for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex for quite a number of years.
I completely agree with you, and it is a point I have made previously (just not today ). Irrespective of when he becomes King, BP will not be available for Charles to move into for at least a decade from now, and therefore, the Cambridge's will not be moving out of KP in the near term. Apt 1A is, therefore, not a contender for the Sussex's.
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Old 11-17-2018, 11:12 AM
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Most members of the BRF, IMO, are well used to living within their means and not over extending themselves. I would be surprised if H&M were to take on a home far bigger than they need, and one that could financially stretch them.
You just said that the problem was with the estate. So, if large parts of the estate are used for different purposes than the private enjoyment of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, to me it would make complete sense that they would not be asked to foot the bill for the whole estate. If, however, nobody is interested in the estate, they can of course sell it. It's not that they need to live there, I just don't want to rule it out completely.

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Why should William be left out-of-pocket to fund his brothers lifestyle?

If William did not want to live in it, the alternative for the Duchy would be to sell it.
I am sure William and Catherine will be fine. But I'd rather leave it to William and the Duchy to decide what to do with it than decide for them that Harry is not allowed to live there because William should do so by moving out of the country house he loves or sell it.

The only thing we can do is wait and see (and discuss )

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I completely agree with you, and it is a point I have made previously (just not today ). Irrespective of when he becomes King, BP will not be available for Charles to move into for at least a decade from now, and therefore, the Cambridge's will not be moving out of KP in the near term. Apt 1A is, therefore, not a contender for the Sussex's.
Is there anyone who thinks it is?

I don't see them moving out at all until he becomes King.
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Old 11-17-2018, 11:47 AM
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I quite agree, William & Kate will be at Kensington Apt1A as their London base for quite some time to come.

Probably their family will grow up there, and once the younger ones are ready to leave the nest they'll be more prepared and flexible for transitions of the Monarchy. William seems to sincerely wish his father continued good health and a long reign.

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I think they are renting because they realize how much things can/will change in the next 5 years. {...}
The plot their rental is on is actually fairly small and has no estate. So the rental is actually very smart.
Please share your assessment of which property they are renting - I'm stilll wondering what house it could possibly be, while you sound quite certain. So many of the places visible seem to need such serious renovation. The Great Tew Estate doesn't show/broadcast their offerings on the internet.

I'd even started to wonder if maybe they'd taken one of the larger cottages in Soho Farmhouse for the two year lease.

Whatever the lease terms, it does seem clear that privacy has been extremely well and favorably spelled out. On that I certainly agree.

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Nice overhead view so you can see the location of the 'cottage' Looks like it has some privacy with all the trees.
Do the Royal Windsor Horse Show and Land Rover Car show still take place in the Home Park fields and paddocks immediately adjacent to the location you indicate for Adelaide Cottage?

I read an internet article saying the cottage was the old Keeper's Lodge.
Is that true, and at the indicated location?
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Old 11-17-2018, 12:51 PM
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This from the royal website

”The Sovereign Grant meets the cost of official journeys undertaken by or in support of The Queen and other members of the Royal Family.

Travel by The Queen, The Duke of Edinburgh, The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall and The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge between residences is categorised as official.”

So although the royal helicopter is available for all royals for official engagements, it’s limited to HM, Charles and William when traveling between residences
Thank you for providing this information in this thread Rudolph! I had seen you state this in another thread that is why I made the comment that I did as I was referring to travel between RESIDENCES and not official travel to engagements.
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:11 PM
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We also have to remember that as the future king, William has use of the official transportation to travel between royal residences. Recently, we saw him, Kate and baby Louis travel from Anmer to London via royal helicopter to attend the state banquet of the king and queen of the Netherlands. Harry will not have the same advantages. So, distance from London will be a key factor in choosing a country home.
Harry would have the exact same advantage in using the helicopter in this particular set of circumstances. The Cambridges were traveling from Anmer for an official engagement, not to come to London for personal reasons. They were not just traveling between residences.

I don't know if Harry & Meghan would want to live at Highgrove, but I really can see them there more than William & Catherine. Charles could pay rent for Harry to the Duchy of Cornwall.

I really don't think there is any official "official residence" for anyone except the monarch. And BP won't be available with the ongoing construction/renovation for many years. So Charles & Camilla will continue to live at CH. And even when/if they move to BP, I do not think William & Catherine will move there--it is not the official residence of the Prince of Wales, it is the current official residence of this particular Prince of Wales.

Various residences have been rented out or repurposed over the years. And they will continue to be in the future.
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:15 PM
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Read Rudolph's post which explains clearly. Harry will not have the same advantage as William in that circumstance.
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:18 PM
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Where do they live now? In Kensington Palace?
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:46 PM
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Where do they live now? In Kensington Palace?
Notts Cottage at Kensington Palace.
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Old 11-17-2018, 01:58 PM
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Read Rudolph's post which explains clearly. Harry will not have the same advantage as William in that circumstance.
Yes, they should--the state banquet was an official engagement.

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... the royal helicopter is available for all royals for official engagements,...
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Old 11-17-2018, 02:49 PM
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Notts Cottage at Kensington Palace.
And they are supposed to have a country home (rented) in the Cotswolds.


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Old 11-17-2018, 03:14 PM
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Harry has used the Royal helicopter to get to and from engagements and will undoubtedly do so again. Andrew and Edward have also used the Royal helicopter on occasions as I'm sure have other members of the BRF. It's not restricted to the Cambridges, the Queen's or Charles and Camilla's use.
Every royal has the ability to use the royal helicopter for official engagements however only the Queen and Philip, Charles and Camilla and William and Kate are allowed to class travelling between their homes as official and get it paid for by the Sovereign grant. Harry and the other royals have to pick up the cost of travelling between residences.

I don't see that William and Kate will have access to every residence that Charles does now. Highgrove is owned by the duchy, as is the Welsh house. Birkhall is the only one I really see that they may take up. I think it likely they will stay at KP rather than move to Clarence House unless George is old enough to need a residence by then.
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Old 11-17-2018, 07:48 PM
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This article out today mentions the Sussexes might be looking to take up residence in St.James Palace

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-Royals.html

"Meanwhile, there’s speculation over where Harry and Meghan – with a baby on the way in the spring – will make their London home. Up until now, it’s been widely expected the Sussexes would move from their current two-bedroom Nottingham Cottage into Kensington Palace’s lavish 21-room Apartment 1 – right next door to William and Kate’s huge home.

But now there’s a spanner in the works – the incumbents, the Duke of Gloucester and his wife Birgitte, are said to want to stay put – and there’s talk of Harry and Meghan moving further afield to St James’s Palace. "

I think the Sussexes will get a house in the country (cotswold or Windsor) and smaller residence or apartments in London at KP or at St. James.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:12 PM
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I don't understand why some of you believe the Daily Fail. Harper Bazaar said the story is not true. Harry and Meghan are not planning to leave KP.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:17 PM
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Every royal has the ability to use the royal helicopter for official engagements however only the Queen and Philip, Charles and Camilla and William and Kate are allowed to class travelling between their homes as official and get it paid for by the Sovereign grant. Harry and the other royals have to pick up the cost of travelling between residences.

I don't see that William and Kate will have access to every residence that Charles does now. Highgrove is owned by the duchy, as is the Welsh house. Birkhall is the only one I really see that they may take up. I think it likely they will stay at KP rather than move to Clarence House unless George is old enough to need a residence by then.
I'm not sure I understand why Highgrove and the Welsh house being owned by the Duchy would make it less like that William and Kate would take them up. Birkhall is the least likely for them to take up, IMO, since it's owned directly by Charles as an inheritance from QEQM.

Upthread there was a suggestion that Charles might pay the rent for Harry to stay at Highgrove. I think it's more likely that Charles will pay rent to the Duchy for *Charles* to remain at Highgrove. (Raymill will still be Camilla's bolthole, after all.) However, those terms would be worked out between the administrators of the Duchy and Charles, not William and Charles.

Selling Highgrove is unlikely in the extreme given the 30,000 annual visitors and the close tie between the Highgrove Estate and the Duchy Home Farm, which supplies ingredients for Duchy Originals products.

I think it's fair to say that neither Highgrove nor Anmer are options for Harry and Meghan. KP has also been very clear that K&W will be in 1A for the long term with the implication being "until he's king". K&W have put way too much effort into making Anmer into a family home for their children to uproot them.

There's a certain part of me that wishes that H&M would get Apartment 10, if only because Princess Michael has spent the last decade pointing out how much better the Gloucesters' apartment would be for first William and now Harry. It would serve her right to have those particular chickens come home to roost.
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:52 PM
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Well, given that Meghan is at least three months pregnant, probably four, and the Sussexes will need an at least decent sized London residence of some sort in future years, a decision will have to be made by somebody soon.

Meghan has no convenient Bucklebury to take her baby to, Nott Cott is miles too small for the couple, plus nanny and baby, and so...? Do they go off to a rented property in the Cotswolds for several months, then?

Considering every one of the Queen's children has one property not bought by themselves, plus William has too, are Harry and Meghan just going to be left to their own devices, with the dismissive tone in that article 'Oh they have their own money, they can buy elsewhere in London' prevailing? Apparently Harry is to be treated differently to everyone else.

Plus, the report at the term of William and Kate's wedding that the Gloucesters were oh so willing to move out of their apartment in favour of the Cambridges was a bunch of lies apparently. Either that or the Press has decided to push 'The Sussexes want to throw a hardworking couple out of their old home' line!
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Old 11-17-2018, 09:01 PM
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What about the apartment used by the Queen's former private secretary Sir Christopher Geidt?
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Old 11-17-2018, 09:07 PM
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Meghan has no convenient Bucklebury to take her baby to, Nott Cott is miles too small, for the couple, plus nanny and baby, and so...? Do they go off to a rented property in the Cotswolds for several months, then? ......

Plus, the report at the term of William and Kate's wedding that the Gloucesters were oh so willing to move out of their apartment in favour of the Cambridges was a bunch of lies apparently. Either that or the Press has decided to push 'The Sussexes want to push a hardworking couple out of their old home' line!
Oh, I don't think the media have any more idea than anyone else whether the Sussexes actually have a rented home in the Cotswolds, are moving to another apartment in KP, are planning a move to St. James Palace, or Windsor, or anywhere else. They are just trailing a bunch of stuff out there and hoping something sticks so that at some point in the future they can say "Aha! We told you so! And please ignore the 28 other theories we also floated that were wrong. Just pretend you never read those."
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Old 11-17-2018, 09:13 PM
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What about the apartment used by the Queen's former private secretary Sir Christopher Geidt?
The apartment is supposed to be beautiful by all accounts, but there's no real back garden. If the couple is going to have a couple of children that's a bit of a drawback.
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Considering every one of the Queen's children has one property not bought by themselves, plus William has too, are Harry and Meghan just going to be left to their own devices, with the dismissive tone in that article 'Oh they have their own money, they can buy elsewhere in London' prevailing? Apparently Harry is to be treated differently to everyone else.

Plus, the report at the term of William and Kate's wedding that the Gloucesters were oh so willing to move out of their apartment in favour of the Cambridges was a bunch of lies apparently. Either that or the Press has decided to push 'The Sussexes want to throw a hardworking couple out of their old home' line!
That is probably a no go anyway. I thought someone, maybe Princess Anne?, wanted to buy an apartment/home in London at one point and the RPO put a kibosh on that idea because it would be too difficult to secure. This was years ago and security is as much an issue now as it was then.

Did you mean Harry and Meghan where you wrote William and Kate?
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