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Old 06-09-2018, 03:56 PM
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Depends if they are waiting for the Duke of Kent to step down from his position with the Scots Guards for Edward
Good point. I am sure they are considering the complete picture and an honorary positionas royal colonel might be in the making for both of them.
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Old 06-09-2018, 03:59 PM
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And the young girl next to the boy with spectacles (Lord Culloden) might be his sister Lady Cosima Windsor.

I missed Mike, Zara and Mia Tindall.
Mike and Zara don't usually attend Trooping. The last recent time she attended was in 2016, and that was most likely because of the Queen's 90th. And even before that appearance there was a large gap in attendance for her.
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True. I have been surprised more often lately regarding Harry's honorary position whose uniform he decided not to wear... If he would now receive this honour I guess his new regiment will feel just an afterthought and not something in which their new honorary head takes pridd
Yes, that's always a worry when the honorary positions get piled on. That they individually lose their gravitas. I do appreciate that Edward wears his London Regiment uniform despite not riding, and despite getting teased by the public for not having the military background of his father and brothers.
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:02 PM
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True. I have been surprised more often lately regarding Harry's honorary position whose uniform he decided not to wear... If he would now receive this honour I guess his new regiment will feel just an afterthought and not something in which their new honorary head takes pride

The Life Guards is the sister regiment of the Blues and Royals which he was in (both of them together make up the Household Cavalry).


Today his own regiment were on parade so it's pretty fitting he wore his own uniform



They made up half the escort at his wedding
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:05 PM
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I've always thought Zara is either busy with eventing which is in its peak season around now or they have a private family occasion each year - a birthday on Mike's side maybe? They never seem to attend for whatever reason, obviously this time it could be due to Zara about to give birth - time will tell - if she isn't too close to her due date or jsut given birth she would usually attend Ascot in a few weekends time.
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:06 PM
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Yes, that's always a worry when the honorary positions get piled on. That they individually lose their gravitas. I do appreciate that Edward wears his London Regiment uniform despite not riding, and despite getting teased by the public for not having the military background of his father and brothers.

I forgot about that .


So Edward already is a Colonel of one of the Foot Guard regiments (LR is the reserve).Don't think he would hold 2 positions of Colonel of the Guard at the same time
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:08 PM
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I've always thought Zara is either busy with eventing which is in its peak season around now or they have a private family occasion each year - a birthday on Mike's side maybe? They never seem to attend for whatever reason, obviously this time it could be due to Zara about to give birth - time will tell - if she isn't too close to her due date or jsut given birth she would usually attend Ascot in a few weekends time.



She must be due or overdue at this point .Mike said she was 8 and a half months when he was interviewed for his golf thing the week of the wedding
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:12 PM
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She must be due or overdue at this point .Mike said she was 8 and a half months when he was interviewed for his golf thing the week of the wedding
Maybe she'll give birth on Philip's 97th birthday. That would be nice.
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:15 PM
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Here are two more great galleries from today:


** robinutrecht.photoshelter gallery **


** pp: Meghan Markle : 1ère apparition sur le balcon de Buckingham pour la duchesse **
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:23 PM
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I'm just saying what the rumors are. I have no vested interest in Harry getting the gig over anyone else, including his uncle.

But Harry is a retired soldier who served in war while AFAIK Edward did not even finish the basic training. I am not sure that Edward would even want this role when he soon will be "just" the king's younger brother. I have the feeling he and his wife will prefer then to support Charles but concentrate more on their own things, like the DoE Awards and the things Philip helds dear. Maybe we even see Lady Louise one day as a patron of carriage driving events. While Charles is said to want to downgrade the RF, he surely would like his niece to quietly support traditional things that his father is fond of. IMHO, of course.
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:35 PM
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It looked like it was a very happy and relaxed Trooping today; despite the fact that they were waving to a balcony to thousands, the Windsors seemed like every other family in regards to their interactions and characters. It was particularly lovely to see the warm exchanges between Charles and Meghan as well as Catherine and Meghan. It seems that Meghan is really close to her father-in-law, which is nice to see. I did feel rather sorry for HM being on her own; but she seems to have taken the occasion in her stride as she was still her happy, smiling self. Just as a queen would
My most favourite moments from today were, of course, from the children - Savannah was just priceless, she definitely stole the show! George is probably planning ways he can get his own back on his cousin at the next family event as we speak I noticed Isla pretending to salute in a couple of photos as well which was also cute. I hope poor little Charlotte is alright after almost falling from the balcony, I'm always worried about security and the young children since the balcony is so high for them.
I guess the Snowdons and Chattos don't attend anymore? Really nice to see the Duchess of Kent joining the family as well.
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:43 PM
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:03 PM
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It is hard to believe that, in 1714, they had to go down to number 56 to find the first Protestant in the (normal) line of succession, see Jacobite line of succession to the thrones of England and Scotland in 1714

We have to understand that from the times that were. There is an interesting book from the late 1800s about the Hanoveran Succession and the Electress Sophia:

https://archive.org/stream/electress...duoft_djvu.txt
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:03 PM
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Glad it wasn't Joseph Wenzel, as he is 3rd-in-line of the "Jacobite" claim to the throne of the Uk. Meaning he would inherit if Parliament had not decided to favour the protestant line following the Electress Sophie of Hanover but the catholic, more senior line of her first cousin Henrietta Ann Stuart of England and Scotland, daughter of Charles I and thus closer to the throne than her aunt Elisabeth Stuart, daughter of James I. of England/VI. of Scotland, who was the mother of the Electress Sophie.



This senior, but disregarded by Parliament, line ends today with The Duke of Bavaria. As he has no children, his brother Max is 1st-in-line, then Max' eldest daughter Sophia, herediary princess by marriage to the Liechtenstein throne (as wife of prince Alois) as second-in-line and after her her eldest son Johann Wenzel, who is set to become souverqain prince of Liechtenstein one day. Alas, the family is not interested in claiming the British throne.
Plus, the British are not interested in their claiming the throne either. The so-called claimants appear to be sensible and realistic enough to know that this is a complete non-issue except for a tiny number of obsessive nobodies. 99.999999% of the British population have no idea a "Jacobite" claim even exists, let alone that a prince they've never heard of in a country they've never heard of is 3rd in line.

These Lichtenstein princes have sworn allegiance to QEII, her heirs and successors in order to serve in the British Army. Clearly they don't take this whole idea of claiming the British throne seriously either.
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:10 PM
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That is a third different angle. I mean different both from the BBC broadcast and the Time livestream. In this particular shot, it is Camilla who is barely visible (and, to a lesser extent, Meghan). Charles can be seen, even when Kate is carrying Charlotte, which was not the case in the Time livestream.



It is really fascinating how the same (theoretically objective) reality can change completely depending on point of view.
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:15 PM
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It is really fascinating how the same (theoretically objective) reality can change completely depending on point of view.
Albert Einstein called it special relativity
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:16 PM
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For about a week I stuck at being in a Facebook group of DIEHARD Jacobite supporters [having been 'added' by a slight acquaintance] - NOTHING can adequately convey the vacuity of their conversation and the strangeness of their manner.
ENDLESS re-hashing of lost Battles, bitter tirades against 'the usurpation' and REALLY poisonous characterisation of members of the current 'Ruling House', with bile especially directed against HMQ, and her religious Faith..

There was NO reasoning with them [about ANYTHING] so I buzzed off !
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:34 PM
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Trooping the Colour: Royals join Queen at birthday parade - BBC
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have joined the Queen for the Trooping the Colour parade to mark her 92nd birthday.

Prince Harry and his new wife Meghan, who married last month, arrived as part of the carriage procession.

Prince Philip, who retired from royal duties last year, did not attend the military parade. He turns 97 on Sunday.

Field Marshal Lord Guthrie fell from his horse during the parade and has been taken to hospital.

Lord Guthrie, 79, is the former head of the Army and then Chief of Defence Staff, the UK's most senior military officer.

Meanwhile, a 51-year-old woman has been arrested for a public order offence after an item was thrown towards the procession.

She is currently in custody at a central London police station, the Met Police said.
A bit about Field Marshal Lord Guthrie, who fell of the horse:
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Field Marshal Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank is a former SAS commander who was head of the British Army until 1997 and then chief of defence staff until 2001.

Born in 1938, Lord Guthrie attended military training college in Sandhurst and went on to serve with the Welsh Guards in Cyprus, Germany and Northern Ireland.

During his time with the SAS he served in Aden, the Gulf, Malaysia and East Africa.

As commander of the Hong Kong British forces he played a high-profile role in Britain's withdrawal from Hong Kong in June 1997.
Trooping the Colour: Guardsman first to wear turban - BBC
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A Coldstream Guards soldier has become the first to wear a turban during the Trooping the Colour parade.

About 1,000 soldiers took part in the ceremony marking the Queen's official birthday.

Guardsman Charanpreet Singh Lall, 22, a Sikh from Leicester, said he hoped it was looked upon as a "change in history".

He said he expected it would encourage those from different religions and backgrounds to join the Army.
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ITV article with photos of previous balcony appearances:
How does 2018's royal balcony appearance compare with those through the ages? - ITV
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As the newlywed Duke and Duchess of Sussex made their first appearance on the Buckingham Palace balcony together, here’s a look at some of the historic royal balcony moments over the years.

Harry made his own debut on the famous frontage of the Queen’s London residence at a Trooping the Colour celebration in 1985.
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Sky News article:
Meghan makes balcony debut at Trooping the Colour - Sky News
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Trooping the Colour marks the Queen's official birthday. Her actual birthday is in April, when she turned 92.

The event stems from the traditional preparations for battle.

Colours, or flags, were carried, "trooped" down the rank to be seen and recognised by the soldiers.

In the 18th century, guards from the royal palaces would assemble daily, on Horse Guards, to troop the colours. The parade first marked the sovereign's official birthday in 1748.
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Telegraph article:
Trooping the Colour: Royal youngsters steal the show on Buckingham Palace balcony - Telegraph
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The youngest members of the Royal family stole the show on the balcony of Buckingham Palace, as they giggled, gasped and waved through a Trooping the Colour flypast.

Prince George and Princess Charlotte joined Savannah and Isla Phillips at the front of the balcony, watched indulgently by the Queen as they larked about in front of the crowds.

Savannah, seven, appeared unimpressed by her cousin Prince George's noises during the national anthem, clamping her hand firmly over his mouth to keep him quiet.
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The entire BBC broadcast:
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:40 PM
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Zenouska Mowatt has put up some beautiful behind the scenes pictures!

Her Majesty's Racing Manager has revealed that the 92-year-old stayed up until the early hours to watch her horse race in a prestigious race in America - and it won!

https://twitter.com/royalcentral/sta...863548416?s=21
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:56 PM
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Plus, the British are not interested in their claiming the throne either. The so-called claimants appear to be sensible and realistic enough to know that this is a complete non-issue except for a tiny number of obsessive nobodies. 99.999999% of the British population have no idea a "Jacobite" claim even exists, let alone that a prince they've never heard of in a country they've never heard of is 3rd in line.

These Lichtenstein princes have sworn allegiance to QEII, her heirs and successors in order to serve in the British Army. Clearly they don't take this whole idea of claiming the British throne seriously either.

Technically, they would not be claiming the British throne, but rather the separate thrones of England and Scotland as, from the Jacobite perspective, the Act of Union, as all other post-1688 legislation, would be invalid.



It would be lovely to continue this discussion in the proper forum, but I guess my opinion is that the Jacobite claim was somewhat strong while there were still living descendants of James II. Once that line was extinct, the claim faded as other theoretical Jacobite pretenders thereafter were really foreign princes/princesses with no connection whatsoever to England or Scotland. In that sense, there is a clear "vice de pérégrinité" in the same sense that there is one with the Bourbon descendants of King Philip V of Spain (whether you accept the Treaty of Utrecht or not).


Of course, from the point of view of British constitutional history, the fact that the British parliament could pick the 56th in line to throne to be king, by-passing all others on a religious test set out in law, was a clear statement of parliamentary sovereignty taking precedence even over the birthright (a.k.a "divine right") of the kings.
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