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Old 06-06-2018, 10:01 AM
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What will be interesting is whether Edward is even there - he has only just started a visit to China.

China is quite popular with the Queen's sons at the moment as Andrew has just left there and is in Singapore having been to Hong Kong and spent over a week in China with Pitch@Palace.

Maybe neither will be back (although I highly doubt Andrew will miss his first chance to ride in Trooping).
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Old 06-06-2018, 10:05 AM
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What will be interesting is whether Edward is even there - he has only just started a visit to China.
If he's just started, I highly doubt he'll be able to make it. Given the travel time, it's unlikely to be for just a couple of days.
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Old 06-06-2018, 10:12 AM
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He arrived on the 5th June.

Andrew has been overseas since the 23rd May.
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Old 06-06-2018, 10:16 AM
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He arrived on the 5th June.

Andrew has been overseas since the 23rd May.
I've seen the tweets about Andrew. That's why I'm kinda surprised Edward is there now. But I guess for different organizations. It's possible Edward can make it back, but the schedule is tight.

Someone mentioned earlier that Sophie and the kids weren't at Trooping last year. Can anyone tell me why?
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Old 06-06-2018, 10:19 AM
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Someone mentioned earlier that Sophie and the kids weren't at Trooping last year. Can anyone tell me why?
The main theory was that they were attending a birthday party for Sophie's father, but it has never been officially confirmed.
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Old 06-06-2018, 11:15 AM
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If he's just started, I highly doubt he'll be able to make it. Given the travel time, it's unlikely to be for just a couple of days.
Edward is due to leave China June 8. With the time difference he can probably be back, just tired.

Given all the horseback riding practice Andrew has been doing this spring, I imagine he will be back.
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Old 06-06-2018, 11:16 AM
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It will be interesting to see Saturday who all is there and of course how they are dressed!


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Old 06-06-2018, 11:51 AM
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Whosever there I hope they allow everyone to see Harry and Meghan and not push them to the back. Too much of a crowd around The Queen. Allow the main players to shine on the balcony.
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Old 06-06-2018, 12:24 PM
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It will be interesting to see Saturday who all is there and of course how they are dressed!


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And the hats! I always wait for the hats!
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Whosever there I hope they allow everyone to see Harry and Meghan and not push them to the back. Too much of a crowd around The Queen. Allow the main players to shine on the balcony.
Main players or just the people you're the most interested in?

Because that's exacly what I love about this balcony appearance - it gets a bit "messy" and we can see all the members of royal family that we usually don't see, like Peter and Autumn Phillips.
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Old 06-06-2018, 12:25 PM
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Hmmm maybe there will be some reshuffling this year of who is on the balcony....


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Old 06-06-2018, 01:16 PM
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And the hats! I always wait for the hats!

Main players or just the people you're the most interested in?

Because that's exacly what I love about this balcony appearance - it gets a bit "messy" and we can see all the members of royal family that we usually don't see, like Peter and Autumn Phillips.
No, Iím just saying thatís its good to see The Queen and Phillip with Charles, Camilla, William, Catherine + kids, Harry and Meghan.
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Old 06-06-2018, 01:23 PM
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No, Iím just saying thatís its good to see The Queen and Phillip with Charles, Camilla, William, Catherine + kids, Harry and Meghan.
So you think that Princess Anne, Earl and Countess of Wessex, Prince Andrew are not main players and shouldn't be there?
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Old 06-06-2018, 01:32 PM
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So you think that Princess Anne, Earl and Countess of Wessex, Prince Andrew are not main players and shouldn't be there?
No, they should be there of course. I just like the idea of the main players upfront and center and then everyone else on the sides.
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Old 06-06-2018, 01:53 PM
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Precedence says that the children of the monarch are more senior and more front and centre than the grandchildren so it should be William and Kate and Harry and Meghan who are pushed to the side so the Queen can be surrounded by her children.

Meghan has married a largely minor royal these days and should be treated accordingly - in the back and to the side and certainly not to the front or centre. That belongs to the Queen and her immediate family - not the grandchildren who will only move further and further from the throne as the years pass and in 20 or so years will be even more irrelevant to the future of the monarchy than they are now (thanks to William having three children).

The image of the BRF that is shown on the balcony is an increasingly large family. If they want to connect properly with the public they need to make that appearance far more streamlined - the monarch and spouse, the children of the monarch and their spouses and the heir apparent's heir apparent and spouse and that should be all. No need for other grandchildren, great-grandchildren or cousins etc to be there at all.

One person we can be sure want be there is Zara who surely should be having the baby soon - if she hasn't already had the baby and simply not announced it yet.
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:08 PM
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Precedence says that the children of the monarch are more senior and more front and centre than the grandchildren so it should be William and Kate and Harry and Meghan who are pushed to the side so the Queen can be surrounded by her children.

Meghan has married a largely minor royal these days and should be treated accordingly - in the back and to the side and certainly not to the front or centre. That belongs to the Queen and her immediate family - not the grandchildren who will only move further and further from the throne as the years pass and in 20 or so years will be even more irrelevant to the future of the monarchy than they are now (thanks to William having three children).

The image of the BRF that is shown on the balcony is an increasingly large family. If they want to connect properly with the public they need to make that appearance far more streamlined - the monarch and spouse, the children of the monarch and their spouses and the heir apparent's heir apparent and spouse and that should be all. No need for other grandchildren, great-grandchildren or cousins etc to be there at all.

One person we can be sure want be there is Zara who surely should be having the baby soon - if she hasn't already had the baby and simply not announced it yet.
Meghan is a senior royal, not minor, despite Harry is now number 6.

Seeing the family in the balcony for the birthday is always nice, but itís just extra special seeing the main players front and center. Their the present and future of that old House of Windsor.
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Precedence says that the children of the monarch are more senior and more front and centre than the grandchildren so it should be William and Kate and Harry and Meghan who are pushed to the side so the Queen can be surrounded by her children.

Meghan has married a largely minor royal these days and should be treated accordingly - in the back and to the side and certainly not to the front or centre. That belongs to the Queen and her immediate family - not the grandchildren who will only move further and further from the throne as the years pass and in 20 or so years will be even more irrelevant to the future of the monarchy than they are now (thanks to William having three children).

The image of the BRF that is shown on the balcony is an increasingly large family. If they want to connect properly with the public they need to make that appearance far more streamlined - the monarch and spouse, the children of the monarch and their spouses and the heir apparent's heir apparent and spouse and that should be all. No need for other grandchildren, great-grandchildren or cousins etc to be there at all.

One person we can be sure want be there is Zara who surely should be having the baby soon - if she hasn't already had the baby and simply not announced it yet.
That is not how this monarch has decided it will work. Yes, there is a order of precedence where the Queen's younger children officially has precedence over William and Harry. However, as we saw with Commonwealth Day Service, HMQ has decided to give them precedence over her younger children. I expect in events like the Commonwealth Day Service and more official events from now on, Prince Charles' family will be front and center more than HMQ's younger children unless there is a specific reason not to. Now, the more family events, like HMQ's birthday concert, saw that Queen's children are seated closer to her, which is not surprising given that it's a more personal event.

And Harry and Meghan will remain very relevant and front and center until William's children grow up and can take on duties as we now see with Charles' children. Given that the PoW only has two children vs. the Queen's four, Harry's role will be more forefront than that of the Queen's children individually.
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:31 PM
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I can't wait to see the fashion!!
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:34 PM
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I’ll be up watching the parade online. I wonder if the coverage will be extended since it’s The Queen’s 65th Coronation Anniversary year?
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Meghan is a senior royal, not minor, despite Harry is now number 6.

Seeing the family in the balcony for the birthday is always nice, but it’s just extra special seeing the main players front and center. Their the present and future of that old House of Windsor.
I don't understand the "main players" expression then, since it's definitely not about who's doing the most work then.

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The image of the BRF that is shown on the balcony is an increasingly large family. If they want to connect properly with the public they need to make that appearance far more streamlined - the monarch and spouse, the children of the monarch and their spouses and the heir apparent's heir apparent and spouse and that should be all. No need for other grandchildren, great-grandchildren or cousins etc to be there at all.
So HM Queen, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Charles and Duchess of Cornwall, Princess Anne, Prince Andrew, Earl of Wessex and Countess of Wessex and Cambridges? Well, it could work. It gives off that clear, very professional vibe. I have to say, I like the idea. Though I would also include Prince George and Princess Charlotte (and eventually Prince Louis) to that mix.
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Old 06-06-2018, 02:45 PM
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For all our talk as observers about the meaning and importance of exact placement on the balcony, looking back through photos of the past five or six years makes me question whether the BRF puts as much thought into it as we do. Beyond the basic rules of (1) Queen in the center, (2) Charles and William very visible and (3) kids up front, there doesn't really seem to be a great organizing principal beyond having the Gloucesters go through one side door, the Kents through another, and the Mountbatten-Windsors (for lack of better term) through the center.

For example, if you look back through the past few years of positions for Anne, Edward, Kate and Harry you'll find all of them have had times when they were right by the Queen but behind her (which, in Anne's case, made her almost invisible last year) and others where they were very visible in the front but practically standing with the cousins.
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