The Royal Household, Courtiers, Advisers and Attendants 1: Ending Sep 2022 - Page 3

james · #41 05-21-2006, 09:40 PM

I got some of the info. from Answers.com which states,
In 1990 he (Julian) married Lady Emma Kitchener, who is lady-in-waiting to Princess Michael of Kent, and daugther of the 3rd Earl Kitchener.

kelly9480 · #42 05-22-2006, 10:50 AM

Answers.com relies on Wikipedia, which is not a credible source because anyone can update it, regardless of their knowledge of the subject. Burke's Peerage is basically the Bible of the British aristocracy, and can basically be trusted (the families themselves are responsible for maintaining their genealogical information). If Burke's says she's not the daughter, go with that, because that comes directly from the Kitchener family.

ysbel · #43 05-23-2006, 01:01 PM

I may be dating myself but I remember reading an article about Princess Anne in 1972 before she married and it mentioned an appointment for one of her Ladies-in-Waiting had been put on hold because of budgetary concnerns. The salary was a little over 100,000 pounds a year and the Royal Family didn't want to spend that amount of money in that year period.

Skydragon · #44 05-23-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ysbel

I may be dating myself but I remember reading an article about Princess Anne in 1972 before she married and it mentioned an appointment for one of her Ladies-in-Waiting had been put on hold because of budgetary concerns. The salary was a little over 100,000 pounds a year and the Royal Family didn't want to spend that amount of money in that year period.

Thats a lot of money for 1972! :)

Skydragon · #45 05-23-2006, 01:37 PM

Other members of the household: lord great chamberlain, earl marshal, lord steward, master of the horse (unpaid, ceremonial posts) ladies-in-waiting, including mistress of the robes, two ladies of the bedchamber (titled), five women of the bedchamber (untitled) and an equerry. The ladies-in-waiting, appointed personally by the queen, accompany her on public engagements on a rota basis (they're the ones carrying the flowers and cards handed over by members of the crowd during walkabouts). They also write the replies to letters sent to the queen. They receive no pay but expenses.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/s...407426,00.html

Smartie2091 · #46 05-23-2006, 02:14 PM

wow the women don't get paid? I guess to be a lady in waiting you have to be quit wealthy? So how do they choose the lady in waiting? are they sometimes friends of the royal women? or are they simpy picked from the most noble family?
like what are the requirments?

JOY! · #47 05-23-2006, 02:21 PM

Thanx for the info everyone.
Are there any young duchesses? I mean I would assume you'd want someone around your age to be your lady in waiting. It's nice that some are able to have other jobs as well. What if a new royal bride (say Prince william's) doesn't really have anyone she'd want to be her lady in waiting, then will someone pick one for her?

Skydragon · #48 05-23-2006, 03:16 PM

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Thanx for the info everyone.
Are there any young duchesses? I mean I would assume you'd want someone around your age to be your lady in waiting. It's nice that some are able to have other jobs as well. What if a new royal bride (say Prince william's) doesn't really have anyone she'd want to be her lady in waiting, then will someone pick one for her?

If a new royal bride doesn't know anyone suitable, someone will be found for her and then it's cross your fingers that they will get on. If they don't, I'm sure they would be able to chop and change.

ysbel · #49 05-23-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Skydragon

Thats a lot of money for 1972! :)

Well they could have made a mistake and it was another position but I was wondering if the ladies in waiting have always been unpaid or whether its a recent development due to sizing down the monarchy.

ysbel · #50 05-23-2006, 03:27 PM

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was she a duchess first or after she was chosen as a Lady in Waiting. Because what if William marries a girl who doesn't know any duchesses or regel women...can they choose anyone they want or do they have to choose from a list of duchesses?

Only the Queen has a Mistress of the Robes so by the time William becomes King, his wife will be old enough to have a duchess her age attend to her as Mistress of the Robes.

The Ladies-in-Waiting don't have to be duchesses. :)

Skydragon · #51 05-23-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Smartie2091

wow the women don't get paid? I guess to be a lady in waiting you have to be quit wealthy? So how do they choose the lady in waiting? are they sometimes friends of the royal women? or are they simpy picked from the most noble family?
like what are the requirments?

From what I can find out, they all seem to be friends or daughters of friends of the royal ladies. Don't forget they all mix within the same circles. Isn't Tiggys' mother a Lady in Waiting to Princess Anne?

kelly9480 · #52 05-23-2006, 06:14 PM

Tiggy's aunt, I believe, Victoria (or some V-name) LB, is one of Anne's ladies in waiting.

james · #53 05-23-2006, 06:26 PM

It is Tiggy's mother, Shan, who was Anne's L-I-W and Tiggy's sister's name is Zara. Some have said this is where Anne first heard of the name and liked it enough to give it to her daughter.There are many theories regarding where Anne got the name but I've always thought that this one seemed the most likely as it's such an unusual name that it seems more than a coincidence that Anne and her L-I-W should have daughters with that name.

kelly9480 · #54 05-23-2006, 06:30 PM

Anne herself said that Charles came up with the name Zara because he liked the meaning.

james · #55 05-23-2006, 06:41 PM

Charles may have remarked that he liked it but she must have been equally familiar with it as being the name of her L-I-W's daughter.

kelly9480 · #56 05-23-2006, 09:36 PM

Charles has been credited -- by Anne -- as being solely responsible for the name. She has said (and this makes little sense to me) that Zara was a surprise, and the meaning of the name (bright as dawn) was suggested by Charles because, in her eyes, it fit. According to Anne, they had no clue what to call her, and Charles put forward Zara. Of course she was familiar with the name, but, according to her, it had nothing to do with naming her child that.

Anne has two LB's as l-i-w. Miss Victoria, Tiggy's aunt, and the Hon Mrs LB, Tiggy's mum.

james · #57 05-23-2006, 10:07 PM

It's really not a big deal. I'm only pointing out that apart from the Zaras Legge-Burke and Phillips I am unaware of many (if any) other people with that name and am merley suggesting that even if Charles did suggest it that the Princess would still have been aware of it's existence as a name from the Legge-Burkes and thus her brother's suggestion would not have been as original as it's sometimes made out to be.

kelly9480 · #58 05-23-2006, 10:30 PM

I agree that Anne wouldn't have been unfamiliar with the name. I think the name is usually considered unusual because this is the BRF and the public expected something like Mary, Victoria, Elizabeth, etc -- those kinds of traditional names usually associated with the Windsors (even though Anne seems to have been determined that her kids would be raised as Phillipses, not Windsors). Zara's name fits her personality perfectly though, so Anne and Charles did well on naming her.

SweetHomeNC · #59 11-11-2006, 11:23 PM

What are the positions in the Royal Household, both the ceremonial and non-ceremonial ones?

BeatrixFan · #60 11-12-2006, 12:01 AM

Ooh, now that's a real can of worms. There are so many branches and divisions within the Royal Household. Could you maybe specify a little? For example, the Master of the Household's department? Or are you just interested in the top jobs at the Palace?