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Old 11-05-2017, 08:21 AM
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As it is a medal, I seriously doubt we'd see Kate wearing the Tuvalu order at the Diplomatic reception. One thing about the RFO is that it is never announced to the public when someone receives it. Its a within the family sort of thing so the Daily Mail has no more clue about whether Kate has the RFO than we do. Its still a mystery and to be honest, I don't see them making any kind of announcement about if Kate has it or she doesn't and any reasons why she'd not be wearing it.

Time will tell. Maybe.
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:59 AM
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The picture in the DM article actually looks like it could be a neck order, in which case she'd probably wear it on a bow, like the royal family orders are worn. (But I still doubt we'll ever see it on her, at least until the next time she visits Tuvalu, regardless of her RFO situation.)

I think what I saw before was a separate medal affiliated with the order, similar to the British Empire and Royal Victorian medals.
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:39 PM
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With The Queen knighting Prince Philip with the Kight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, he now has four UK Order of Chivalry Breast stars. Last member of the family to have four breast stars was the late Earl Mountbatten-
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Old 11-20-2017, 08:54 PM
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When Phillips passes do his order pass to anyone? Not for them to wear but as a keepsake?


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Old 11-20-2017, 09:09 PM
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Normally Royal Orders are 'retired' when the recipient passes but if Philip predeceases the Queen I wouldn't be surprised if she keeps his Stars etc with her for a while, as a keepsake.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:11 PM
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:14 PM
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Well I wasn't sure if they buried them with the person but I now remember reading something here about them being recycled.


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Old 11-20-2017, 09:23 PM
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Well I wasn't sure if they buried them with the person but I now remember reading something here about them being recycled.


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They are recycled for future use. They are very expensive to make. Even the orders collars are recycled from many decades and centuries ago.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:31 PM
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The expensive ones like the Garter, etc are returned to the palace and then reissued. Something like a MBE would be kept by the personís family. There was a story in the paper about the Duchess of Westminster and her children visiting the Queen at BP to return the late Dukeís Garter regalia.
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:33 PM
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The expensive ones like the Garter, etc are returned to the palace and then reissued. Something like a MBE would be kept by the person’s family. There was a story in the paper about the Duchess of Westminster and her children visiting the Queen at BP to return the late Duke’s Garter regalia.
Yes, the major knighthood orders are returned upon the recipients death. I think President Reagan’s Order of the Bath was kept after his passing and is displayed at his library in California. Unless it was returned later on.
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Old 11-21-2017, 12:57 AM
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They are recycled for future use. They are very expensive to make. Even the orders collars are recycled from many decades and centuries ago.
I think except for the Garter and Thistle (for which everything goes back), the only insignia that has to be returned is the collar of a knight or dame grand cross. I'm pretty sure that the badges and stars of the more junior orders can be kept by the family.

I can't find the statutes of the other orders, but in the Royal Victorian Order, collars are only even issued to knights/dames grand cross who don't have any other collars.
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Old 11-21-2017, 01:03 AM
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I never knew they were returned.
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Old 12-06-2017, 07:59 AM
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Confirmation from last night : still no RFO for Catherine.

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Old 12-06-2017, 08:23 AM
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I don't feel surprised. Somehow I still assume that the Queen won't give RFO to the 3rd generation.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:28 AM
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Confirmation from last night : still no RFO for Catherine.

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You still can’t tell because the order would be pinned to her left shoulder and you can’t see her left shoulder in the picture, Nico. It’s completely blocked out by the car. So no confirmation!

If she don’t have it...it’s a total damn shame, IMO. To leave Catherine without her family order is the dumbest thing ever.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:40 AM
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They are recycled for future use. They are very expensive to make. Even the orders collars are recycled from many decades and centuries ago.
I think it depends on who the receiver was. I was in the Museum of the Chancellery of the Netherlands Orders and saw displays with hundreds of Orders once worn by Orange-Nassaus, so apparently not returned:

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Old 12-06-2017, 08:43 AM
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You still canít tell because the order would be pinned to her left shoulder and you canít see her left shoulder in the picture, Nico. Itís completely blocked out by the car. So no confirmation!

If she donít have it...itís a total damn shame, IMO. To leave Catherine without her family order is the dumbest thing ever.
I accept that Catherine's left shoulder is not fully visible, so it is unclear if she has the RFO.

I suspect now tgat she has gone full time, she may now get the RFO in the next year of two.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:45 AM
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It may well be that Charles lll wishes to award the RFO to his Daughters-in-Law and possibly his Nieces ? Nothing so terribly shocking about that imo...
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:45 AM
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The Royal Family Order (RFO) and other Royal Orders and Decorations

I'm not sure why people are so miffed about this one. The reason she hasn't got it yet really is so simple. The Duchess isn't a full time working member of the Royal Family yet. People can hang up all kinds of sentiment or emotion on it seeing it as a mark of approval or of dislike but really it comes down to the role the individual is playing within the institution.

The Countess of Wessex became a full time working royal in 2002. She got the order in 2004, by which time she had been a member of the Royal Family for around 5 years but had only been a full time working member for two years. The Duchess of Cornwall was married in 2005 and got the order in 2007, two years after her marriage but also having spent those two years as a full time working member of the Royal Family. The Princess Royal is the Queen's daughter and she had to wait until 1969 to get it....when she became a full time working royal.

Kate isn't yet and so she won't be given it until she is. The theories about ivory badges and what not go round and round every time HRH wears a tiara but even the Royal Family's own official website stresses who is and who isn't a full time working member of the family. Kate isn't yet. Princess Michael never has been, that's why she isn't entitled to it.

Having said that, when the new reign beings, all incumbent female members of the Royal Family who are full time working royals will get the RFO of King Charles III. That's the only time it's automatic but even then, they must be full time working royals.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:50 AM
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It may well be that Charles lll wishes to award the RFO to his Daughters-in-Law and possibly his Nieces ? Nothing so terribly shocking about that imo...
Not sure how getting one from QE2 precludes Catherine from getting one from Charles as well.
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