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Old 05-01-2018, 10:33 PM
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Two things about the speculated reason for the limited photographers.

1) It's purely Arthur Edwards' speculations as to why that is. He says Harry doesn't say Good Morning to them anymore, but Harry does joke around and answer some questions to certain reporters. So clearly, he's not upset at everyone if he's even upset at the photographers. I'm not sure limiting access to this is any different than not having a million different cameras in the Chapel and having BBC distribute to other channels globally.

2) If Arthur Edwards' speculation is that Harry's read the stuff they've been saying in the tabloids and decided that they don't want anyone near it, that says a lot more about what Arthur's opinion on the coverage has been, doesn't it. And he's been around longer than most of us and have seen a lot more.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:35 PM
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There will always be bad or nasty stories but the media are necessary. I say pick your battles, learn to let stuff roll off your back, and when appropriate take action but you will never change the tabloids. The bad actions of a few do not reflect everyone else. It’s a two-way street for royals and the press

If anyone is going know what their talking about it’s Arthur. He has commented before on how well the royals know him and respect him and the others who follow them. Harry has lashed out before. He’s complained more than William over the years and got in trouble for punching a photographers. He’s not perfect nor right all the time. In this case, he comes off petulant too me and unfortunately Meghan does to by extension. William and Kate haven’t been great with the press either. I understand both couples’ frustrations. They both have plenty of reasons to dislike the tabloids but they need to learn to differentiate. The tabloids are not the entire media just a part.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:38 PM
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William would be the first person to admit he doesn’t like the press. He’s been bashed on that for years. And actually it’s Catherine who takes the majority of pics of her children. No profit there.

Harry was always supposed to be the happy go lucky bother. Many royal photographers who were in his corner leading up to the wedding are now left a little bitter. Hope for his sake it’s not lasting.
They've used at least Chris Jackson.

Happy go lucky doesn't mean you take all kinds of crap and not take issue with it. Especially they've come for the woman you love. And as mentioned, photographers don't write the papers, right? So how is it for "his sake"? They will show up to his events as long as photos of him sells. For example, Anne seems nice enough to them, I'm sure they aren't showing up at every one of her events. It's ultimately a profit game for them.

And can we get some clarification on how many photographers will actually be there? Initially it was posted that there will only be one outside the Chapel, but the NYT article just said it'll be one inside the Chapel, and four or five outside. Which is it?
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:40 PM
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I would take what British reporters and photographers are saying about the numbers. The NYT isn’t quoting anyone.
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Old 05-01-2018, 10:40 PM
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Well, considering The Sun has already insinuated she's filmed porn on their front page, various tabloids paid estranged family members to dish all kinds of unverified dirt on, and already had all kinds of unsavory headlines about her including racist coverage. Not sure how much worse they can do.

And really, weren't some upset that Meghan is fame hungry, shouldn't this calm their worries?
Exactly so! I think Harry and Meghan will choose a discreet lifestyle as have William and Kate. Official duties as required but everything else, the less fuss made the better (perhaps) in their view. Just a hunch.
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Exactly so! I think Harry and Meghan will choose a discreet lifestyle as have William and Kate. Official duties as required but everything else, the less fuss made the better (perhaps) in their view. Just a hunch.
This does make me think if they have children, would we even have regular updates on the children. The Wessexes don't provide regular updates on their children if I remember correctly, but the press did have a fair amount of access to the Wales children and York children growing up.
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If photographers who are currently complaining had received their preferred spot, we wouldn’t be hearing about a supposed problem. There’s plenty of video available on the photo agency sites that show Harry recently greeting the media, it’s easily searchable for anyone to see.

Some of those photographers currently complaining will either get over it and click happily away from their designated spots, or someone else will happily replace them.
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This does make me think if they have children, would we even have regular updates on the children. The Wessexes don't provide regular updates on their children if I remember correctly, but the press did have a fair amount of access to the Wales children and York children growing up.
Very likely. That's their biggest gripe with the Cambridges. They have very limited access to those kids. Harry will follow the same footsteps. Harry was "happy go lucky" enough until the press went after his future wife.

People say pick your battles but I think loved ones are the perfect battle to fight for. These men won't forget how they lost their mother so the press pushing their buttons this way ultimately hurts them all.
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Old 05-01-2018, 11:18 PM
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This does make me think if they have children, would we even have regular updates on the children. The Wessexes don't provide regular updates on their children if I remember correctly, but the press did have a fair amount of access to the Wales children and York children growing up.
Correct. In fact, I recall Louise causing a sensation at the Cambridge wedding (I think it was), because that was maybe the first time she had such a public display. Even James has been pretty much in the shadows. People seem to accept it as understandable, too. Wonder how that will go over with Harry's and Meghan's brood?

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Very likely. That's their biggest gripe with the Cambridges. They have very limited access to those kids. Harry will follow the same footsteps. Harry was "happy go lucky" enough until the press went after his future wife.

People say pick your battles but I think loved ones are the perfect battle to fight for. These men won't forget how they lost their mother so the press pushing their buttons this way ultimately hurts them all.
Family is everything. That will be their ballast. I think it is wonderful that Meghan is such a homebody. They will have an insular family life, I think, just like William and Kate. (It's why I think they need their own country house).
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One thing for sure is that with William and Harry, they've definitely been drawing a trench in the sand and filling that trench with all kind of nasties to put up a barrier between their public lives and their private lives. This is actually how it should be. They are definitely trying to cram the worms back into the can that were let loose during the 80s and the 90s when anything goes was the motto of the press covering the royal family began and its not improved much since.
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Yep, I predict that we'll discover Harry and Meghan's kids will have similar upbringing to the Wessexs, likely declining HRHs once Charles becomes King and having only occasional updates on the kids (possibly just birthdays, Christmas cards, and miscellaneous family events).
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"Even Charles’s love life was choreographed for him with the sort of elaborate care and tact usually reserved for pandas in captivity. "

[...] the quote about the choreographing of Prince Charles' love life absolutely takes the cake.

Hopefully, Princes William and Harry understand how fortunate they are to be modern day princes [...] they have been able to avoid the panda treatment when it comes to their love lives.
S0 funny. I have to admit the review is depressing, albeit funny.

Also illuminating. When one considers the full angst of Charles' personal challenges, and what he was greeted with at Gordonstoun, his first marital experience takes on a particular gruesomeness (and we can only be happy for his second marriage). But what strikes me is how much the British public's reaction and treatment of Charles winds up being Gordonstoun 'writ large'.

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When that marriage exploded, Diana’s superior instincts for wooing and handling the press insured that Charles emerged as the villain of the piece. But it seems safe to say that the union visited equal misery on both parties. One of the chief marital shocks for Charles was Diana’s lack of deference. He had assumed that the slightly vapid teenager he was settling for would at least be docile, but she turned out to be the biggest bully he had encountered since Gordonstoun. She taunted his pomposity, calling him “the Great White Hope” and “the Boy Wonder.” She told him that he would never become king and that he looked ridiculous in his medals. When he tried to end heated arguments by kneeling down to say his prayers before bed, she would keep shrieking and hit him over the head while he prayed.
Good grief!
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Yep, I predict that we'll discover Harry and Meghan's kids will have similar upbringing to the Wessexs, likely declining HRHs once Charles becomes King and having only occasional updates on the kids (possibly just birthdays, Christmas cards, and miscellaneous family events).
I'm going to disagree a bit. Of course, I don't know, because declining the HRH was not only what Edward did but what Anne did before him. The difference is that Harry is one of two siblings, whereas the Queen had four children. Seems like Harry is 'needed' more, but maybe not. Maybe Meghan and Harry do official duties and the children are kept behind the screen like Anne's were and like Edward's are now with no HRH.

But if the above happens the press will not be happy. However, declining the HRH will protect their children for sure.
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Boo hoo. I have ZERO sympathy for him or the rest of them.


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I do. Arthur Edwards is not a paparazzi. He is a longtime professional photographer who covers Royal events. He doesn't lurk in bushes.
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I'm going to disagree a bit. Of course, I don't know, because declining the HRH was not only what Edward did but what Anne did before him. The difference is that Harry is one of two siblings, whereas the Queen had four children. Seems like Harry is 'needed' more, but maybe not. Maybe Meghan and Harry do official duties and the children are kept behind the screen like Anne's were and like Edward's are now with no HRH.
Anne’s children would’ve never been HRH even if Mark Phillips accepted a title. The HRH is only for grandchildren of the monarch through the male line.
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Anne’s children would’ve never been HRH even if Mark Phillips accepted a title. The HRH is only for grandchildren of the monarch through the male line.
Oh. Didn't know that. So if Harry and Meghan refuse the HRH for their children that will be news, akin to what Edward and Sophie did. If that happens the press will not be happy we can assume, not so? However, declining the HRH will protect their children, I think.
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Old 05-02-2018, 12:21 AM
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Oh. Didn't know that. So if Harry and Meghan refuse the HRH for their children that will be news, akin to what Edward and Sophie did. If that happens the press will not be happy we can assume, not so? However, declining the HRH will protect their children, I think.
At this moment, they wouldn’t be HRHs unless the Queen issued a new LP like she did for Charlotte making all children of the eldest son of PoW HRHs. The HRH title would only come in when Charles becomes king, and they become grandchildren of a monarch rather than just great grandchildren of QEII. However, I don’t think this issue will be dragged out until Charles becomes king. I think it’d be safe to assume they would go the Wessex route if no new LP is issued when their first child is born. Meaning their children will always be addressed as children of Duke even if it’s not spelled out explicitly at the time of the birth.

And frankly, the press does not get a consideration in the matter as any children they have will be private citizens and will not be working royals.
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But those photographs line the pockets of the those tabloid. And your comparison of WSJ and NYT to National Enquirer or OK is not accurate in this case. Arthur Edwards works for The Sun. That's a tabloid, not the "elites" you speak of. And just to point out, they are not denying anyone photos. All photos the AP takes will be shared with other outlets, just like BBC's live feed will be sent to others as well. It's not like AP will get the exclusive publishing rights and they are leaving the rest in the dust.

And to go after the publication is almost useless as they have to publish an apology, but that's about it. And what does it do in the end? They weren't in the business to be accurate or fair in the first place, they are there to sensationalize. The only effective way is to go after their pockets.
I don't think that is true-the photos will not be "shared" they will have to be purchased to use them. And there will be fewer photos available from fewer angles.
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Old 05-02-2018, 12:30 AM
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Honestly yes Arthur covers royal events (though he is usually relegated to Charles tours and such), but he does work for the Sun. He is not a freelance photographer. He is not a 'royal photographer' in he works for the royal family. He is hired by the Sun to cover their stories about the royal family. He may not write the stories that accompany his photos, but he knows what those stories are just the same. The reality is that the sun has been one of the worst in their tabloid coverage of Meghan.

No one but the photographers suffer. All the 'the public deserves to see the wedding'. No one is arguing that point. Certainly Harry isn't.

Does the public care if they get 10,000 different shots?? No. They care they get to see the wedding and the big moments. And they will. There will be a live video of the wedding. There will be a photographer in the church. There will be photographs outside. The public will not suffer at all for the lack of bodies. They will see all the important and even minor parts of the wedding.


This is nothing new. This is how it is handled at major events. Do you think freelance photographers get invited into major political events or dinners? No. They need 'press passes' and those usually are obtained by working for a major publication. If you are a freelancer, you are lucky to get a photo from a public street. Like the carriage passing here.


This is not London. This is not a public church on public property, where there is room for all the press they want. Besides being on private ground, there will be over 2000 people watching out side the church. And some how they seem a tad more important then photographers at this point.

Arthur should watch it. If he wants his 'good relationship with the royals' to continue, making such comments about Harry is not going to help. Does he think Charles will be inviting him for photo ops, if he is bad mouthing Harry? Maybe, but seems a risk to take.

If the royal photogs are hurt over not being able to be right at the church, sorry they can be replaced. There are plenty of people who would likely be happy to become the 'royal photographer' for the sun and follow royals on tours.


Do we know which photographers did get the golden ticket anyways??
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Yep it is the issue his job is to take royal photos that’s what he does for a living
For Will and Kate to look out for him shows that they respect him and he respects them.
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