The Lascelles Family

destiny · #1 07-07-2005, 08:38 PM

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I would like to know if there are pictures or information on the marriages or weddings of the Hon Martin David Lascelles and his brother the Hon James Lascelles.i read that both brothers are married to black women.one from nigeria and the other a jamaican in 1999. they are descent cousins of the queen.

does anyone know about this?

destiny · #2 07-07-2005, 08:56 PM

as far as i am aware they are aristocrats ,(Viscountess) if I am not mistaken.

And also cousins of the queen. there grand mother was the late princess mary, princess royal.

Elspeth · #3 07-07-2005, 09:46 PM

Are you sure they're brothers? I thought James was the son of George Lascelles and Martin was the son of George's younger brother Gerald.

I don't know anything about their weddings, but I thought they were cousins, not brothers.

florawindsor · #4 07-08-2005, 03:31 AM

according to my source,

James was Married to Joy Elias-Rilwan(his 3rd wife), 1999.1.30, Anguilla, West Indies.
Joy Momuday Olaribigbe Elias-Rilwin. Born 1954.6.15. Lagos, NigeriaNigerian actress using the artist's name of "Joy Lemoine"

Martin David Lascelles, married Charmaine Christine Eccleston 1999. don't know about her nationality

Warren · #5 07-08-2005, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by florawindsor

Martin David Lascelles, married Charmaine Christine Eccleston 1999. don't know about her nationality

Martin Lascelles married Charmaine Eccleston in Kingston, Jamaica. She was born in Kingston in 1962, and they have a son, Alexandre, born in London in 2002.
source: Queen Victoria's Descendents, Companion Volume, Marlene Eilers, 2004.
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kelly9480 · #6 07-08-2005, 11:43 AM

The fact that a woman was born in Jamaica doesn't make her a black woman. Jamaica has white and black natives. So, unless there's proof she's black, then we can't assume.

lovebug · #7 07-09-2005, 05:20 PM

Does it really matter if the lady is black or white as long as they are happy. I wish adults were like children when they play with their friends it doesn't matter what color they are I hope we are above the color issue everyone bleeds the same color blood red. Don't mean to sound rude but this is 2005 color should not be an issue.

kelly9480 · #8 07-09-2005, 07:48 PM

No one ever said it was a big deal, but these are the first members of the extended Windsor family to possibly marry a different race, so it's natural some comment would be made. I've never read any negative commentary on the possible ethnicities of the two brides, so don't assume the statement about these women being black means its a big deal. The Lascelles themselves are hugely ignored in the press, and their various marriages, divorces, and children born before marriages are also ignored, except in genealogy books.

Reina · #9 07-09-2005, 09:03 PM

I wonder are there any pics of the lascelles

Elspeth · #10 07-09-2005, 10:01 PM

James Lascelles has his own website:

http://www.jameslascelles.com/

susan alicia · #11 08-03-2005, 12:23 PM

tonight on bbc 2 they are starting a new serie called "the slavery business" a drama based on the life of british slave trader Henry Lascelles, one of the richest businessmen of the 18th century and according to the bbc website his descendants are now cousins of the queen.

Elspeth · #12 08-03-2005, 02:39 PM

Well, let's have a link to the website, then. Don't leave us in suspense here!

kelly9480 · #13 08-03-2005, 09:02 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4742049.stm

Harry's polo shirt · #14 08-03-2005, 11:03 PM

I didn't know the UK had slavery. that was some neat infomation. I wouldn't want to be one of the families in the film...They must keep really good records of everything in the UK to know what has happened to the families involved...

emily62_1 · #15 08-29-2005, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by destiny

I would like to know if there are pictures or information on the marriages or weddings of the Hon Martin David Lascelles and his brother the Hon James Lascelles.i read that both brothers are married to black women.one from nigeria and the other a jamaican in 1999. they are descent cousins of the queen.

does anyone know about this?

do they descend from Mary, the Princess Royal, daughter of George V?

Elspeth · #16 08-29-2005, 10:26 PM

Yes; I think they're grandsons of hers.

cbryant · #17 11-07-2006, 08:11 AM

Hello all,

This is my first posting and I look forward to conversing more on the board. My question pertains to Martin David Lascelles and his second wife Charmaine Christine Eccleston. Does anyone know her birthdate? I also wonder when they were married, and if they have any children. I am doing a genealogy of the royal family and these dates and information would be helpful.

Best Regards,

Cameron Bryant

Skydragon · #18 11-07-2006, 11:22 AM

Welcome!

Charmaine was born 24th Dec 1962 and they married 23rd April 1999, their son is Alexandre, born 20th Sept 2002

cbryant · #19 11-07-2006, 05:56 PM

Thanks so much!

That's very helpful. I look forward to future discussions. Hope I can help others too!

Cameron

Skydragon · #20 11-08-2006, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspeth

Are you sure they're brothers? I thought James was the son of George Lascelles and Martin was the son of George's younger brother Gerald.

I don't know anything about their weddings, but I thought they were cousins, not brothers.

You are right.

They are cousins

Martin is the illegitimate son of Elizabeth Collingwood and Gerald Lascelles (son of Henry George Charles Lascelles and Mary Windsor). Because he is illegitimate he is not entitled to be the Hon. Martin David Lascelles. He was born Martin Colvin, his name was legally changed to Lascelles in 1978

James is the 2nd son of George Lacelles, 7th Earl of Harewood (son of Henry George Charles Lascelles (Viscount) and the Princess Royal, Mary Windsor) and his mother is Countess Marion Donata Stein. Because he is legitimate he is the Hon James Edward Lascelles.