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Old 07-04-2021, 04:06 AM
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I guess each time means.. once in a couple of decades.. since it is used so rarely.
So the maintenance cost is for that couple of decades together.
But unfortunately media and critics will present it as a cost for that particular single morning..
Its maintenance costs are in additional to making it presentable for use.

It costs quite a lot to maintain just sitting doing nothing - largely because it is open to the public for well over 350 days a year and sweat, breath etc means maintenance needs to be done regularly.

When I was there there were three people doing some work on the coach then so I asked how often they did things and was told 'every week something needs to be done to this coach because it is on show. If is wasn't on show it would cost about half in maintenance than it costs now.
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Old 07-04-2021, 04:07 AM
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Yes its ridiculous IMO to spend so much. They can have a good show without the use of these ancient coaches which have had thier day...
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Old 07-04-2021, 06:03 AM
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Its maintenance costs are in additional to making it presentable for use.

It costs quite a lot to maintain just sitting doing nothing - largely because it is open to the public for well over 350 days a year and sweat, breath etc means maintenance needs to be done regularly.

When I was there there were three people doing some work on the coach then so I asked how often they did things and was told 'every week something needs to be done to this coach because it is on show. If is wasn't on show it would cost about half in maintenance than it costs now.
It should be on show somehow otherwise there is not much point keeping it IMO. Surely it would be possible to construct a climate-controlled room with glass or perspex on three sides where it can be seen but not touched. Though initial costs would be high, the upkeep would be minimal compared to what it seems to be costing now.
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Old 07-04-2021, 07:39 AM
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It should be on show somehow otherwise there is not much point keeping it IMO. Surely it would be possible to construct a climate-controlled room with glass or perspex on three sides where it can be seen but not touched. Though initial costs would be high, the upkeep would be minimal compared to what it seems to be costing now.

When i was there in 2006 it was on display in a room inside and one could not reach it as the place where it was standing was closed off. So no possibility for Tourists to touch it.
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Old 07-04-2021, 07:48 AM
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It should be on show somehow otherwise there is not much point keeping it IMO. Surely it would be possible to construct a climate-controlled room with glass or perspex on three sides where it can be seen but not touched. Though initial costs would be high, the upkeep would be minimal compared to what it seems to be costing now.
It is on show in a purpose built part of The Mews. Tourists can't 'touch' it but they can walk all around all four sides in a one way direction and so can see all the fantastic detail. It is the highlight of a visit to The Mews. It is also climate controlled. The 'shed (for want of a better word) is also built for ease of getting it in and out due to its size - about twice that of any of the other carriages weighing 4 tons.

When it is in use it needs over 20 people around it to keep it moving - some on horses, some on the coach and some walking beside it. It also needs 8 horses to move it (and no doubt the animal rights people would get involved in having those horses pull such a heavy coach).
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Old 07-04-2021, 07:58 AM
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It should be on show somehow otherwise there is not much point keeping it IMO. Surely it would be possible to construct a climate-controlled room with glass or perspex on three sides where it can be seen but not touched. Though initial costs would be high, the upkeep would be minimal compared to what it seems to be costing now.
This has been done in the Netherlands: the brand "new" restored Golden State Coach is now in a glass box, safe for elements: https://images.nrc.nl/IkjewKpXoS-Gm2...504-8777ca.jpg

They can do the same for the British Golden State Coach. The Dutch coach is pulled by eight horses as well but not for reasons of weight: according protocol the King's coach is always pulled by eight horses in state ceremonial. Never heard animal activists about it. (Yet.)
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Old 09-01-2021, 10:44 AM
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A report based on the poll and published in the same magazine said, "When asked whether they support or oppose the monarchy, ​​53 per cent of respondents say they support the institution, of which 26 per cent strongly support it. Just 18 per cent oppose it, of whom only 7 per cent strongly oppose it, and 23 per cent neither support nor oppose it."

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Old 09-01-2021, 11:29 AM
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A report based on the poll and published in the same magazine said, "When asked whether they support or oppose the monarchy, ​​53 per cent of respondents say they support the institution, of which 26 per cent strongly support it. Just 18 per cent oppose it, of whom only 7 per cent strongly oppose it, and 23 per cent neither support nor oppose it."

https://www.geo.tv/latest/367043-new...izabeths-death

Who conducted the poll for the New Statesman? The British monarch consistently gets higher support in surveys by reliable polling firms like YouGov, so I wonder if that is a scientific poll with a random sample, etc.
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Old 09-01-2021, 11:52 AM
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Who conducted the poll for the New Statesman? The British monarch consistently gets higher support in surveys by reliable polling firms like YouGov, so I wonder if that is a scientific poll with a random sample, etc.
See their site and all the organizations they work for:
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/media/

This poll seems conducted amongst 1500 eligible voters representing a median of the UK population.

The outcome of the poll is more or less similar to my country: a not too big majority supporting the monarchy, a small minority advocating the republic and a firm chunk of the people who do not care less about either a monarchy or a republic, at all.
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Old 09-01-2021, 01:41 PM
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See their site and all the organizations they work for:
https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/media/

This poll seems conducted amongst 1500 eligible voters representing a median of the UK population.

The outcome of the poll is more or less similar to my country: a not too big majority supporting the monarchy, a small minority advocating the republic and a firm chunk of the people who do not care less about either a monarchy or a republic, at all.

I am familiar with Redfield and Wilton, or at least with their election polls. It is considered a reliable firm.



Surprisingly low numbers nonetheless.
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Old 09-01-2021, 02:00 PM
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However the article goes on to say

‘It said 42 per cent of respondents say they would oppose the abolition of the monarchy after the reign of Elizabeth II has ended, including 29 per cent who would strongly oppose it.’
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Old 09-01-2021, 05:34 PM
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Who conducted the poll for the New Statesman? The British monarch consistently gets higher support in surveys by reliable polling firms like YouGov, so I wonder if that is a scientific poll with a random sample, etc.
Are the polls you're referencing polls supporting the monarch herself, Queen Elizabeth, or the institution and/or concept of the monarchy. It is not unheard of for there to more support for an individual monarch / royal, than buy in for the institution / concept.
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Old 09-01-2021, 09:36 PM
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Coaches are used at State Visits, at Royal Weddings, at Royal Funerals, at the Trooping, at the State Opening of Parliament, at Garter Day, at Ascot race days so why would it not be used for THE most ceremonial State event of all?
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because they are uncomfortlabe, very expensive to maintain and beginning to look out of date. Cars are being used now at royal weddings... so I think its possible that they'll give up using them altogether.....
Cars are used to convey the bride and her father, both commoners, to the church. Carriages are used for the royal couple when they return from the church. Even Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother arrived in a car whereas her daughter, Princess Elizabeth arrived in a carriage as did the rest of the royal family. Princess Anne, being royal, also arrived at the abbey by carriage.

As to the Coronation, while it feels a bit premature to be discussing it with HM still hale and hearty, it is what it is. The government of the day will have a huge say in how grand it will all be. It will be the premier tourist event in the UK for decades and the government, rather than seen to be seen scrimping and cutting costs to the bones, will be pushing the boat out, especially after Brexit and hopefully Covid.

It will be an occasion to celebrate the very best in British, the pageantry, the carriages that allow people to get fantastic shots at the new King and Queen and the BRF, the mounted escorts, military bands and the military route liners. The heads of all the Commonwealth Countries present and more than a few past, UK politicians, Heads of State and Ambassadors, etc.

In the words of the old Chinese saying "may you live in interesting times", we all are and it is dire and dreary and mostly pretty joyless so, come the event, being a pragmatist, when it come HM's funeral they will see her off in style. But, the Coronation of the new Monarch will be an opportunity to let rip with flypasts, brass and pipe bands, bunting and balloons. If that doesn't kick start or double commerce and tourism I don't know what would. It will also be a Commonwealth Celebration too so the Coronation will represent us too.
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Old 09-03-2021, 11:48 PM
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Cars are used to convey the bride and her father, both commoners, to the church. Carriages are used for the royal couple when they return from the church. Even Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother arrived in a car whereas her daughter, Princess Elizabeth arrived in a carriage as did the rest of the royal family. Princess Anne, being royal, also arrived at the abbey by carriage.

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Lady Diana Spencer and Miss Sarah Ferguson both traveled to their weddings in the Glass Coach, and TRH The Princess of Wales and The Duchess of York traveled back to BP with their new husbands in the State Landau.
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Old 09-09-2021, 06:11 PM
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I think this is the best place to put this article, since it does impact the future of the British Monarchy. If it's not appropriate please move.

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Sir Kenneth Olisa, the Queen’s first black Lord-Lieutenant of Greater London, said the answer to the question of whether the Palace supported the movement was “easily yes”.

In a segment about race on Channel 4 News, Sir Kenneth said that he had discussed the “hot conversation topic” with the Royal household as they tackled the question of how to remove barriers in society.

He also shared details of the debate over whether the Queen should visit Grenfell Tower in 2017 amid fears she might not be warmly received.

“I remember thinking as it all happened, it was quite scary. We didn’t know whether she would be booed or have things thrown at her, etc,” he said. “And when she got out of the car, all these people applauded.”

Sir Kenneth will make his comments on a special edition of Channel 4 News on Friday at 7pm, featuring an all-black presenting and reporting team, as part of a day of programmes by the broadcaster called Black to Front.

During a discussion of the BLM movement, Sir Kenneth said: “I have discussed with the Royal household this whole issue of race, particularly in the last 12 months since the George Floyd incident.

“It’s a hot conversation topic. The question is what more can we do to bind society to remove these barriers. They [the Royal family] care passionately about making this one nation bound by the same values.”

When asked if the palace supported Black Lives Matter, Sir Kenneth said: “The answer is easily yes”.
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Old 09-17-2021, 02:55 PM
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BLM the movement is very different from BLM as shorthand for racial justice. I don't believe for a moment that The Queen would express support for the BLM movement.

I'm surprised the Lord Lieutenant said something like this.
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Old 09-17-2021, 03:01 PM
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Has this been posted already? Not sure. Nothing surprising really.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/be4vukhf...ust%202021.pdf

Of course it just asks about the popularity of certain individuals rather than serious questions about the monarchy. But interesting enough in its own way as a snapshot of public opinion.
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Old 09-17-2021, 03:40 PM
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Has this been posted already? Not sure. Nothing surprising really.

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/be4vukhf...ust%202021.pdf

Of course it just asks about the popularity of certain individuals rather than serious questions about the monarchy. But interesting enough in its own way as a snapshot of public opinion.

Interesting to see that there has been a decline in the Queen's favorability ratings outside the margin of error.

What is the reason? Maybe the Queen not being seen very much in public anymore because of Covid and old age?
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Old 09-17-2021, 03:45 PM
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Could be.

I'm not sure really. Unless it's related to the York or even Sussex issues. People thinking she's been too soft with them.
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Could be.

I'm not sure really. Unless it's related to the York or even Sussex issues. People thinking she's been too soft with them.
That might be why. But the Queen is 95 years old, there's not much she can do about these matters. It's a shame at this stage of her life that the Queen still has to deal with these matters. By now she should be living in peace.
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