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Old 05-15-2021, 03:04 AM
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That is not how it works. Imagine all Spaniards have to say if Catalonia indeed may leave the kingdom or not, after a victory for the independents in an official and recognized referendum.

It would mean that Galica, Castille, Andalucia, the Baleares, etc. denying what the Catalonians themselves want.

Imagine that a majority of the Scots wants to leave the Union. Then people in Cornwall, Kent or Wales say: "No way!". That is not how it works.
That is not the point I am making. Whilst I am not suggesting that the Scots do not have the right of self determination, so do the rest of the citizens of the UK. Surely if the rest of the citizens of the UK choose they no longer want to have Scotland as part of the UK, they should have the right to implement it. Scrap the Barnett formula, and keep more of the funding for the rest of the UK is the argument that is starting to take shape.
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Old 05-15-2021, 03:08 AM
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But isn't it so that Scotland have some assets they have to share with the rest of the Uk by now (like the North Sea oil) and that a lot of companies which are Scottish have their seats in London and this is where they pay their taxes?
There isn't much North Sea oil left, and what is left is not particularly economic to get. As regards Scottish companies, many, including RBS and Standard Lfe Aberdeen have made clear that they would redomicile in the UK if Scotland were to become independent.
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Old 05-16-2021, 02:18 PM
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King Charles to open palaces for the people -
Heir consults family over greater public access

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/k...ople-2gqdmc9xj
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Old 05-16-2021, 02:24 PM
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Interesting question for everyone on the forum.

Currently the court circular reports the engagement of the royal family as it has been doing for years. You and I know that this represents only the public and media facing image of the royals and it is obvious that royals do not only work the hours of their engagement and then lie at the pool.
How best would you go about it - to better quantify a royal working day? Which having to go to the extremes of publishing the entire diary of the royal.
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Old 05-16-2021, 09:01 PM
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The CC has been changing over the years.

As I have said elsewhere I am doing an analysis of the CC from hopefully 1788 onwards but I have started in 1952 but one thing that has already struck me is recording overseas engagements ... somewhere between 1985 and 1996 they started to record them in the CC. That means, for instance, that the Queen's great tour in 1953-54 has a record of when she left the UK and when she returned but nothing about what she did ...

Another thing I have noticed is that since 2002, and the death of The Queen Mum, when the lady in waiting changes that is no longer being recorded. While the Queen Mum was alive that was recorded for both the Queen Mum and The Queen every two weeks but now it isn't recorded at all.

Another thing that has changed is that now it is only the royals that are recorded and not the comings and goings, births, deaths and other events of the aristocracy as well e.g. in the 60s the CC would record when an aristocrat went overseas and changes of postal arrangements.

I am sure it will continue to evolve but the publishing of the working royals diaries on a daily basis - to account for their hours would be interesting and may easily show how much work they really do so something like this:

9.00 a.m. Read correspondence from people - 130 letters
10.30 a.m. Read through speeches for this afternoon and edited same
11.00 a.m. Dressed for afternoon engagements
11.30 a.m. Left home to drive to first engagement.
12.00 noon Arrived at reception for xxxx and gave first speech thanking people for work on yyyy
1.30 p.m. Left reception and drove to reception for aaaa and gave second speech congratulating bbbb on achievements.
3.30 p.m. Left reception and returned home
4.00 p.m. Received ccccc and had talks on issues of relevance
4.30 p.m. Received dddd and had talks on issues of relevance
5.00 p.m. Received eeee and had talks on issues of relevance
5.30 p.m. Dressed for dinner
6.30 p.m. Dinner - private
8.00 p.m. Returned to office to finish reading correspondence and read replies from the morning's correspondence
12.00 midnight - bed
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Old 05-16-2021, 09:08 PM
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The CC has been changing over the years.

As I have said elsewhere I am doing an analysis of the CC from hopefully 1788 onwards but I have started in 1952 but one thing that has already struck me is recording overseas engagements ... somewhere between 1985 and 1996 they started to record them in the CC. That means, for instance, that the Queen's great tour in 1953-54 has a record of when she left the UK and when she returned but nothing about what she did ...

Another thing I have noticed is that since 2002, and the death of The Queen Mum, when the lady in waiting changes that is no longer being recorded. While the Queen Mum was alive that was recorded for both the Queen Mum and The Queen every two weeks but now it isn't recorded at all.

Another thing that has changed is that now it is only the royals that are recorded and not the comings and goings, births, deaths and other events of the aristocracy as well e.g. in the 60s the CC would record when an aristocrat went overseas and changes of postal arrangements.

I am sure it will continue to evolve but the publishing of the working royals diaries on a daily basis - to account for their hours would be interesting and may easily show how much work they really do so something like this:

9.00 a.m. Read correspondence from people - 130 letters
10.30 a.m. Read through speeches for this afternoon and edited same
11.00 a.m. Dressed for afternoon engagements
11.30 a.m. Left home to drive to first engagement.
12.00 noon Arrived at reception for xxxx and gave first speech thanking people for work on yyyy
1.30 p.m. Left reception and drove to reception for aaaa and gave second speech congratulating bbbb on achievements.
3.30 p.m. Left reception and returned home
4.00 p.m. Received ccccc and had talks on issues of relevance
4.30 p.m. Received dddd and had talks on issues of relevance
5.00 p.m. Received eeee and had talks on issues of relevance
5.30 p.m. Dressed for dinner
6.30 p.m. Dinner - private
8.00 p.m. Returned to office to finish reading correspondence and read replies from the morning's correspondence
12.00 midnight - bed
I seriously doubt that any royal, even the Queen, has had to put in more than eight hours a day except on extremely rare occasions. It rare for them to have more than two engagements a day.
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Old 05-16-2021, 09:41 PM
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It is actually quite common for them to do more than two engagements a day.

I have only given 5 engagements - quite common for Charles for instance to have something like this - two receptions and 3 'receiveds'.

I have most of the day dealing with the sort of stuff that doesn't make it into the CC - dealing with correspondence and working on their speeches. I haven't included any 'briefing' on an upcoming engagement, which again takes time and for the ladies getting fitted for their outfits for the engagements.
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Old 05-17-2021, 01:50 AM
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Unsure how they are going to do it - but it is on the cards Charles wants it very clear that there must be complete visibility that the royals work full hours. To be honest I expect that he might bring in specific holiday times for them as well - maybe even work contracts.
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Old 05-17-2021, 05:32 AM
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The CC has been changing over the years.

As I have said elsewhere I am doing an analysis of the CC from hopefully 1788 onwards but I have started in 1952 but one thing that has already struck me is recording overseas engagements ... somewhere between 1985 and 1996 they started to record them in the CC. That means, for instance, that the Queen's great tour in 1953-54 has a record of when she left the UK and when she returned but nothing about what she did ...

Another thing I have noticed is that since 2002, and the death of The Queen Mum, when the lady in waiting changes that is no longer being recorded. While the Queen Mum was alive that was recorded for both the Queen Mum and The Queen every two weeks but now it isn't recorded at all.

Another thing that has changed is that now it is only the royals that are recorded and not the comings and goings, births, deaths and other events of the aristocracy as well e.g. in the 60s the CC would record when an aristocrat went overseas and changes of postal arrangements.

I am sure it will continue to evolve but the publishing of the working royals diaries on a daily basis - to account for their hours would be interesting and may easily show how much work they really do so something like this:

9.00 a.m. Read correspondence from people - 130 letters
10.30 a.m. Read through speeches for this afternoon and edited same
11.00 a.m. Dressed for afternoon engagements
11.30 a.m. Left home to drive to first engagement.
12.00 noon Arrived at reception for xxxx and gave first speech thanking people for work on yyyy
1.30 p.m. Left reception and drove to reception for aaaa and gave second speech congratulating bbbb on achievements.
3.30 p.m. Left reception and returned home
4.00 p.m. Received ccccc and had talks on issues of relevance
4.30 p.m. Received dddd and had talks on issues of relevance
5.00 p.m. Received eeee and had talks on issues of relevance
5.30 p.m. Dressed for dinner
6.30 p.m. Dinner - private
8.00 p.m. Returned to office to finish reading correspondence and read replies from the morning's correspondence
12.00 midnight - bed
Thank you Iluvbertie for your detailed and interesting post on the Court Circular (CC). I also wonder if the future CC would be more detailed almost like a timetable. This includes internal correspondent between palace staff, but then it would probably be intruding confidential/secret information.

Good luck with your analysis of CC, which would be very enticing!

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King Charles to open palaces for the people -
Heir consults family over greater public access

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/k...ople-2gqdmc9xj
Thank you Claire for sharing the link. On a side note, I actually briefly saw the news about Charles opening up Palaces for greater public access on Nine News Australia this morning.
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Old 05-17-2021, 10:47 AM
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I hope this is the correct thread for my question.
Is it given Harry will be chosen Counsellor of State when Charles becomes King?
Makes no sense after Harry's left and his behaviour towards the crown.
Does it need an act from parliament to exclude him or how does this work?
Txs if some british likes to explain.
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Old 05-17-2021, 11:46 AM
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I hope this is the correct thread for my question.
Is it given Harry will be chosen Counsellor of State when Charles becomes King?
Makes no sense after Harry's left and his behaviour towards the crown.
Does it need an act from parliament to exclude him or how does this work?
Txs if some british likes to explain.
He already is one of the Counsellors of State. He became one when he turned 21.

One of the requirements is that he needs to be domiciled in the UK. It could be questioned whether he is still domiciled in the UK or changed it to the USA. If they would want him to no longer be one of the CoS's, that would be the easiest way to go about it imho.

N.B. Did you read this entry on 'Counsellor of State' on wikipedia? Seems like a good start to get a better understanding on the topic at hand.

Edit: you might like this more lengthy discussion on the 'issue' with the Counsellors of State.
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Old 05-17-2021, 02:16 PM
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Thank you Iluvbertie for your detailed and interesting post on the Court Circular (CC). I also wonder if the future CC would be more detailed almost like a timetable. This includes internal correspondent between palace staff, but then it would probably be intruding confidential/secret information.

Good luck with your analysis of CC, which would be very enticing!



Thank you Claire for sharing the link. On a side note, I actually briefly saw the news about Charles opening up Palaces for greater public access on Nine News Australia this morning.

I am surprised he is also planning to open private residences like Balmoral and Sandrigham to the public.
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Old 05-17-2021, 02:35 PM
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I am surprised he is also planning to open private residences like Balmoral and Sandrigham to the public.
Actually, I'm not surprised at all he's considering doing this. Charles, in all his years as The Prince of Wales, has made the people and their needs his priority in just about everything he does. He's worked tirelessly over the years to turn Highgrove into something sustainable that will last for generations for the Duchy of Cornwall and it's people. I imagine (and this is just my thought) that Charles probably feels that all the history, all the traditions and all the wonderful items and artworks and the architecture of the royal residences should be accessible to the people who are part and parcel of that history. To install a sense of pride in being able to be part of the continuity of what is the United Kingdom.

I think Charles more than lives up to his Prince of Wales motto "Ich Dien" which means "I Serve". Its the cornerstone of his character.
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Old 05-17-2021, 07:50 PM
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Sandringham is open to the public now - except for the two months when the Queen is in residence and the one weekend each year when Charles and Camilla are there.

If he is to open it for the remaining time I can only assume that he won't be staying there at all.
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Old 05-17-2021, 09:55 PM
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What about Balmoral as well. Charles loves Birkhall and it is his comfortable home. Would he want to move to Balmoral ‘Castle’ in the new reign, and if he doesn’t who will occupy it in the summer? As for extra opening times for Balmoral and the surrounding estate I can’t see too many tourists lining up to go to chilly Deeside in the coldest months of winter.
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Old 05-18-2021, 01:39 AM
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I would imagine that William and Catherine would move into Balmoral while Charles stays at Birkhall. I can even see this becoming the 'norm' with each generation alternating which is the 'seat' of the monarch - just as I can see it happening at Sandringham although I am not convinced that Charles will use Sandringham as much as The Queen has. He usually leaves late on Christmas Day and prefers to spend New Year in Scotland.
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Old 05-18-2021, 02:08 AM
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I would imagine that William and Catherine would move into Balmoral while Charles stays at Birkhall. I can even see this becoming the 'norm' with each generation alternating which is the 'seat' of the monarch - just as I can see it happening at Sandringham although I am not convinced that Charles will use Sandringham as much as The Queen has. He usually leaves late on Christmas Day and prefers to spend New Year in Scotland.
I agree that it is entirely possible that, in the next reign, C&C to use Birkhall and W&C start using Balmoral.

As regards Sandringham, I can see Charles start to use it over Christmas and January, quite like the Queen. It is possible that he has not spent much time there in recent decades as he does not see it as his home and space, but very much his parents home. Birkhall is very much his retreat, and he goes up there whenever he can escape.
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Old 05-19-2021, 06:17 PM
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All speculation of course, but perhaps future use of Sandringham and Balmoral depends on how long Her Majesty continues to reign. I would imagine that the Queen will wish to maintain family traditions and her family, partiuclarly C&C and W&C, will make an extra effort to gather around her at Sandringham and Balmoral during the festive season and the summer. If that situation continues for several years, there may be fewer dramatic changes at the start of the new reign, as C&C, and W&C will have already become used to being at Balmoral and Sandringham. If it doesn't, then it might be more natural for Charles to shift away.
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Old 05-19-2021, 07:11 PM
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All speculation of course, but perhaps future use of Sandringham and Balmoral depends on how long Her Majesty continues to reign. I would imagine that the Queen will wish to maintain family traditions and her family, partiuclarly C&C and W&C, will make an extra effort to gather around her at Sandringham and Balmoral during the festive season and the summer. If that situation continues for several years, there may be fewer dramatic changes at the start of the new reign, as C&C, and W&C will have already become used to being at Balmoral and Sandringham. If it doesn't, then it might be more natural for Charles to shift away.
How do you think these additional years impact this principle as this has been the queen's practice for years; so Charles and Camilla as well as William and Catherine are already accustomed to this.
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Old 05-21-2021, 04:01 PM
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I am not British but I greatly admire the British Royal Family. The popularity of the BRF and its future is not something that affects me personally, but I am concerned when I see articles like this:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...backs-monarchy

Can someone comment on this? Is this a temporary thing in response to Harry and Meghan's whining or as the younger population ages, is there more of a chance of the Monarchy being abolished in the future?
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