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Old 05-13-2021, 07:11 PM
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I miss when Prince Harry was "in prison" and didn't know Meghan Markle.
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Old 05-13-2021, 07:38 PM
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It is obvious that Prince Harry will not accept. That would be to betray his family.
He's already betrayed them. I was being facetious to a degree...... I doubt Harry would go that far, but it doesn't actually matter if he does, because it's clear how he feels about the Monarchy..........and his family.
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Old 05-13-2021, 07:39 PM
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I would be curious to see if he makes a reply either accepting or declining to Republic.
He probably won't, but he'll likely leak it to his buddy Omid.
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Old 05-13-2021, 08:13 PM
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You and me both, PetticoatLand, you and me both. I'm going to have to start using an umbrella every time I step outdoors now because we all know flying pigs are worse than pigeons.

Well.. there's one thing that could happen. Should Harry jump on the Republic bandwagon publicly, I guess that the Queen could consider that treason enough to ask Parliament to strip him of his ducal title. Hmmm... food for thought there.
This might be what it takes. But I just don’t think he is going to be quiet. He is behaving in such an appalling way. I agree about the pigs
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Old 05-14-2021, 12:04 AM
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Posts discussing Harry’s recent interview have been deleted. This thread is about the future of the British monarchy. Please stay on topic.
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Old 05-14-2021, 12:13 AM
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I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this news but Republic is requesting that Prince Harry lead their mission to end the monarchy.


https://twitter.com/CamillaTominey/s...799344641?s=20
If Republic thinks having Prince Harry who (according to latest YouGov poll on 22nd April) has a -7 favourability rating amongst the British public, as the influencer to end the monarchy, then they are either having a laugh or just deluded. Judging by the poll and current situation, I don't think the UK government under the Conservatives would even consider a referendum, let alone the republic option would win

I personally think Graham Smith is completely bitter and frustrated that the Oprah interview did not cause the general British public to "cancel" the royal family.

Going back to Camilla Tominey's tweet, Robert Jobson actually replied with disappointment that Graham Smith decided to capitalise Prince Harry's mental health.
Robert Jobson @theroyaleditor
Replying to @CamillaTominey and @GrahamSmith_
That’s unlike @GrahamSmith_ to capitalise on somebody’s mental health issues. Prince Harry has said he has struggled with mental health issues for years. I thought Graham was a more sensitive soul. A tad cheap Graham, I’d expect more from an intelligent chap like you.
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Old 05-14-2021, 01:45 AM
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At present Scotland appears to be split down the middle on the independence issue. In the latest election the SNP didn't win a majority & more Scots voted for parties that support the union. Then again not everyone who votes SNP/Green is a nationalist & not everyone who votes Lab/Con/Lib Dem is a unionist. So that's all as clear as mud. What is clear is that there is no great groundswell of massive majority support for leaving the UK as there was in the Irish election of 1918. At least not yet. Whatever happens it's a shame that people have become so divided over this issue in Scotland.

Maybe things look different outside the UK? After all the foreign media, especially if anti British, love to spin tales of doom.

If Scotland ever did become independent then that would be the end of a British monarchy & the reemergence of the 1707 status quo ante. How long Scotland would remain a monarchy however would be an interesting question. I'd wager not long. If only because the Scots would want a resident head of state & the monarchy would be seen as fundamentally English. And moreover southern English to boot.

The status of NI was settled by the Good Friday Agreement. The present status of NI can only alter if there is a majority for change in both NI & the R of I. So I'm not sure what is meant by there being a "need...to form at least some sort of unity". Peace was hard fought for & can too easily be lost. There is a delicate balance that outsiders tamper with at their peril.
What was the result of the elections if you add the votes for the other parties who support independence to the votes for the SNP and compare them to the votes for all the parties that support the union? I read that the pro-independence parties (SNP + Green party) actually did win a majority in the Parliament.

Is there more support for independence among younger voters? I also read that in Northern Ireland, the chances of reunification will grow in the future because the demographics are changing. I wonder if in Scotland it is the same.
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Old 05-14-2021, 02:00 AM
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Sturgeon’s SNP did indeed fall short of an absolute majority. However the Greens are allies of the SNP on many issues and more especially on an Independence referendum.

More details...


https://www.dw.com/en/scotland-snp-w...ity/a-57472899
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Old 05-14-2021, 02:11 AM
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What was the result of the elections if you add the votes for the other parties who support independence to the votes for the SNP and compare them to the votes for all the parties that support the union? I read that the pro-independence parties (SNP + Green party) actually did win a majority in the Parliament.

Is there more support for independence among younger voters? I also read that in Northern Ireland, the chances of reunification will grow in the future because the demographics are changing. I wonder if in Scotland it is the same.
This is not really the place to discuss UK internal politics, but there are some who suggest that the next referendum on Scottish independence should take place in the rest of the UK, and let the majority decide whether Scotland should be kept in the union or not!
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Old 05-14-2021, 02:57 AM
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Okay. But if he accepted, he would go against his family and what it represents. Your father and brother are going to be kings. Harry cannot (or should not) join a group that defends a republic.

I imagine Meghan accepting to do that. But Harry didn't ....
He can if he wants to....
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Old 05-14-2021, 03:33 AM
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Sturgeon’s SNP did indeed fall short of an absolute majority. However the Greens are allies of the SNP on many issues and more especially on an Independence referendum.

More details...


https://www.dw.com/en/scotland-snp-w...ity/a-57472899
Thanks. After posting, I looked at the results and it seems that
pro-independence parties won a clear majority in the parliament.
pro-unionist parties won a very small majority of the votes in constituency elections.
pro-independence parties won a very small majority of the votes in the regional elections.

I couldn't find an analysis of votes by age group.


It seems to me that with such a 50/50 division, this question is not going to disappear and I wonder if the end of the current reign will have an effect on the statistics. Will more Scottish people feel less attached to the UK and be more ready to accept independence after Her Majesty's passing?
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Old 05-14-2021, 03:45 AM
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This is not really the place to discuss UK internal politics, but there are some who suggest that the next referendum on Scottish independence should take place in the rest of the UK, and let the majority decide whether Scotland should be kept in the union or not!
I agree. I am only interested about the question in the context of the future of the monarchy.

I hope those people you mention are 'only' the extremists. If Scottish people voted for independence and English people voted to force them to stay in the UK, it would create a very difficult situation for the monarchy as an institution and the monarch in particular and it would not end well....
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Old 05-14-2021, 03:47 AM
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If Republic thinks having Prince Harry who (according to latest YouGov poll on 22nd April) has a -7 favourability rating amongst the British public, as the influencer to end the monarchy, then they are either having a laugh
I doubt that they think that for one minute. It'd just be huge publicity for them. Even saying it has got their name in the news, whereas normally no-one takes a blind bit of notice of them. Harry is so desperate for any sort of publicity - having claimed that he didn't want publicity - that he's probably thinking about it!! (That's a joke, before anyone takes it seriously.) Both he and they just want their names all over the media.
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Old 05-14-2021, 03:51 AM
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I agree. I am only interested about the question in the context of the future of the monarchy.

I hope those people you mention are 'only' the extremists. If Scottish people voted for independence and English people voted to force them to stay in the UK, it would create a very difficult situation for the monarchy as an institution and the monarch in particular and it would not end well....
I have a feeling the English would be glad to see the back of us.
The SNP claim at the moment that the queen would continue to be the head of state of an Independent Scotland.
Interestingly they refer to the queen not the throne or monarchy .
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Old 05-14-2021, 05:06 AM
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I have a feeling the English would be glad to see the back of us.
The SNP claim at the moment that the queen would continue to be the head of state of an Independent Scotland.
Interestingly they refer to the queen not the throne or monarchy .
but the queen wont be around forever, so if they leave, thats not really a solution. I think they'd be better to go for a republic...
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Old 05-14-2021, 05:12 AM
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but the queen wont be around forever, so if they leave, thats not really a solution. I think they'd be better to go for a republic...
I think Sturgeon's thinking is that she'd loose support for Independent Scotland if she outright said she wanted a republic right now but they'd wait until HM died and she's assuming there will be less enthusiasm with King Charles, like many in Australia assume Australia will become a republic for the same reason.

I doubt Harry's officially going to become a spokesperson for Republic but if he did, he would undoubtedly claim he's only doing it to help his family see the error of their lives.
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Old 05-14-2021, 05:15 AM
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More than half the population of the UK, not just Scots, believe that Scotland should have a second referendum. The poll was taken in April.

https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-...m-if-snp-win-0
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Old 05-14-2021, 05:17 AM
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This is not really the place to discuss UK internal politics, but there are some who suggest that the next referendum on Scottish independence should take place in the rest of the UK, and let the majority decide whether Scotland should be kept in the union or not!
That is not how it works. Imagine all Spaniards have to say if Catalonia indeed may leave the kingdom or not, after a victory for the independents in an official and recognized referendum.

It would mean that Galica, Castille, Andalucia, the Baleares, etc. denying what the Catalonians themselves want.

Imagine that a majority of the Scots wants to leave the Union. Then people in Cornwall, Kent or Wales say: "No way!". That is not how it works.

But... Good news for the monarchy: unlike in Catalonia, the Scots have no desire for a republic. As Sturgeon said: we would be proud to welcome Her Majesty The Queen of Scots in her capital of her free and independent Scotland.
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Old 05-14-2021, 06:31 AM
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What was the result of the elections if you add the votes for the other parties who support independence to the votes for the SNP and compare them to the votes for all the parties that support the union? I read that the pro-independence parties (SNP + Green party) actually did win a majority in the Parliament.

Is there more support for independence among younger voters? I also read that in Northern Ireland, the chances of reunification will grow in the future because the demographics are changing. I wonder if in Scotland it is the same.



It depends on how you add the votes. In Scotland, they use an Additional Member System where each voter may cast a constituency vote (in his/her electoral district) and a party list vote.


I don't remember the exact figures, but the pro-independence parties (SNP+Greens+Alba) were slightly below 50 % in the constituency vote and, I guess, about 50.1 % in the list vote (or something like that). Recent opinion polls actually show a majority in favor of the Union again in the specific question on whether Scotland should be independent or not.


Contrary to what many people think in the Continent, Brexit has actually made Scottish independence less likely in my humble opinion. Over 60 % of Scottish trade is with the rest of the UK. Leaving the UK and joining the EU (if Scotland joins the EU) would mean a hard border with the UK due to EU dogmatism (refusal to reach a common standards agreement with the UK for example or a plain attitude to "punish" the UK out of an irrational fear of giving the Brits any competitive advantage). Such hard border would be devastating to the Scottish economy and the lives of most Scottish families.



Scotland also has a very high fiscal deficit, which is financed by the rest of the UK. If it became independent., Scotland would have to endure years of strict fiscal austerity to meet the criteria to join the EU and, when it joined, it would have to join also the Eurozone, which, in the last referendum, the SNP ruled out, forcing them to make a U-turn now.
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Old 05-14-2021, 08:11 AM
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It depends on how you add the votes. In Scotland, they use an Additional Member System where each voter may cast a constituency vote (in his/her electoral district) and a party list vote.


I don't remember the exact figures, but the pro-independence parties (SNP+Greens+Alba) were slightly below 50 % in the constituency vote and, I guess, about 50.1 % in the list vote (or something like that). Recent opinion polls actually show a majority in favor of the Union again in the specific question on whether Scotland should be independent or not.


Contrary to what many people think in the Continent, Brexit has actually made Scottish independence less likely in my humble opinion. Over 60 % of Scottish trade is with the rest of the UK. Leaving the UK and joining the EU (if Scotland joins the EU) would mean a hard border with the UK due to EU dogmatism (refusal to reach a common standards agreement with the UK for example or a plain attitude to "punish" the UK out of an irrational fear of giving the Brits any competitive advantage). Such hard border would be devastating to the Scottish economy and the lives of most Scottish families.



Scotland also has a very high fiscal deficit, which is financed by the rest of the UK. If it became independent., Scotland would have to endure years of strict fiscal austerity to meet the criteria to join the EU and, when it joined, it would have to join also the Eurozone, which, in the last referendum, the SNP ruled out, forcing them to make a U-turn now.
Thanks for confirming the statistics. That corresponds to what I read.

The rest of the post contains political opinions and is not connected to the monarchy, so I won't reply.
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