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Old 05-09-2021, 08:41 AM
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The two Charles' were both kings of England and Scotland and the next Charles will be king of the Uk. But, when we think of the wish of so many Scots people to become independant and the need of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to form at least some sort of unity, it might be possible that Charles at one point in his reign, is going to be "King of England" again.
At present Scotland appears to be split down the middle on the independence issue. In the latest election the SNP didn't win a majority & more Scots voted for parties that support the union. Then again not everyone who votes SNP/Green is a nationalist & not everyone who votes Lab/Con/Lib Dem is a unionist. So that's all as clear as mud. What is clear is that there is no great groundswell of massive majority support for leaving the UK as there was in the Irish election of 1918. At least not yet. Whatever happens it's a shame that people have become so divided over this issue in Scotland.

Maybe things look different outside the UK? After all the foreign media, especially if anti British, love to spin tales of doom.

If Scotland ever did become independent then that would be the end of a British monarchy & the reemergence of the 1707 status quo ante. How long Scotland would remain a monarchy however would be an interesting question. I'd wager not long. If only because the Scots would want a resident head of state & the monarchy would be seen as fundamentally English. And moreover southern English to boot.

The status of NI was settled by the Good Friday Agreement. The present status of NI can only alter if there is a majority for change in both NI & the R of I. So I'm not sure what is meant by there being a "need...to form at least some sort of unity". Peace was hard fought for & can too easily be lost. There is a delicate balance that outsiders tamper with at their peril.
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Old 05-12-2021, 07:54 PM
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When Camilla is Queen

When she is Her Majesty Queen Camilla alongside His Majesty King Charles, will her children Tom and Laura then become HRH Prince Thomas and HRH Princess Laura? Why have her children, thus far, never appeared on the palace balcony at Trooping the Colour with all the rest of the royal family?

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Old 05-12-2021, 08:28 PM
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Camilla's children will not ever be "royal" in any sense of the word nor will they participate in official occasions where the British royal family attend (such as Trooping the Color). Tom and Laura are Camilla's children from her first marriage to Andrew Parker-Bowles.

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Old 05-12-2021, 08:40 PM
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When she is Her Majesty Queen Camilla alongside His Majesty King Charles, will her children Tom and Laura then become HRH Prince Thomas and HRH Princess Laura? Why have her children, thus far, never appeared on the palace balcony at Trooping the Colour with all the rest of the royal family?

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You might want to look for existing topics before starting your own as on almost any topic there is already a thread available for you to pose your questions

And as Osipi said: NO her children will never by royal highnesses as they were not born in a 'royal marriage'. Moreover, they are not members of the royal family and as the queen invites her family members to attend, her daughter-in-law's adult children do not attend. Of course, they might attend family celebrations or even some (large scale) royal events as guests but never as 'members of the royal family'.

It will be interesting to see if a different pattern will be followed for Beatrice's stepson.
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Old 05-12-2021, 11:37 PM
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When she is Her Majesty Queen Camilla alongside His Majesty King Charles, will her children Tom and Laura then become HRH Prince Thomas and HRH Princess Laura? Why have her children, thus far, never appeared on the palace balcony at Trooping the Colour with all the rest of the royal family?

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We do not know what title Camilla will have when Charles is King. She may be Queen Camilla but she may also be The Princess Consort.

Her children won't be royal as they don't have a royal parent.

Tom and Laura have never appeared on the balcony at Trooping the Colour because they aren't part of the extended royal family. They may appear when Charles is King but I doubt it. He would certainly not be supported by the public if he did attempt to bring them forward in such a way.

I would expect them to attend Charles' coronation but as guests and not official attendees like the rest of the royals.

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Old 05-12-2021, 11:38 PM
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It will be interesting to see if a different pattern will be followed for Beatrice's stepson.
I don't see Wolfie appearing at any royal event. I am not sure that Beatrice will attend that many going forward - a garden party and Trooping I suspect will be it unless there is a major family event such as a coronation, funeral or wedding.
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Old 05-13-2021, 08:37 AM
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As Camilla will never be THE Queen in her own right, but always just Queen Consort, (one day) her Children will never be royal.


Camilla will never be known as Camilla I, as much, as Queen Elisabeth - the Queen Mum be just one of the many Queen Consorts with the name Elisabeth who don't get counted.



There are only two Queen Elisabeth in their own right ... the well known E I and the now E II.
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Old 05-13-2021, 08:38 AM
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As Camilla will never be THE Queen in her own right, but always just Queen Consort, (one day) her Children will never be royal.


Camilla will never be known as Camilla I, as much, as Queen Elisabeth - the Queen Mum be just one of the many Queen Consorts with the name Elisabeth who don't get counted.



There are only two Queen Elisabeth in their own right ... the well known E I and the now E II.
They are both Elizabeths, not "Elisabeth"... and yes queen consorts do not get numerals....
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Old 05-13-2021, 09:28 AM
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So I'm not sure what is meant by there being a "need...to form at least some sort of unity". Peace was hard fought for & can too easily be lost. There is a delicate balance that outsiders tamper with at their peril.

The Good Friday agreement has already been changed for Brexit as it was meant to be an agreement of "partners in the EU" - which the Uk is no longer. As both parts of the UK and the Republic of Ireland inhabit the same island, it is difficult to organize a good solution for Northern Ireland and the Uk in the situation enforced by Brexit. A lot of the agreements in the Good Friday agreement was only possible because both the Uk and Ireland shared their outer frontiers, so in fact the Republic, Northern Ireland and the Uk were "as one" based on the EU regulations. Now they are not and there's a frontier right through Ireland again, which could (and probably will) lead to new violence. They need a solution here and it can't be complete seperation, I'm afraid.
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Old 05-13-2021, 09:50 AM
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The two Charles' were both kings of England and Scotland and the next Charles will be king of the Uk. But, when we think of the wish of so many Scots people to become independant and the need of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to form at least some sort of unity, it might be possible that Charles at one point in his reign, is going to be "King of England" again.



Interestingly, the German Constitutional Court has ruled, I think, that Bavaria cannot unilaterally secede from the Federal Republic of Germany. Likewise, the Spanish Constitutional Court has ruled that Catalonia cannot unilaterally secede from Spain and, of course, no American state can unilaterally secede from the United States (the last time they tried, there was a Civil War as you might recall).

Why do you think then that Scotland has the right to secede from the United Kingdom unilaterally?
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Old 05-13-2021, 06:30 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this news but Republic is requesting that Prince Harry lead their mission to end the monarchy.


https://twitter.com/CamillaTominey/s...799344641?s=20


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Old 05-13-2021, 06:33 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this news but Republic is requesting that Prince Harry lead their mission to end the monarchy.


https://twitter.com/CamillaTominey/s...799344641?s=20
If I were that group, I’d probably have done the same thing....I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he accepts
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It is obvious that Prince Harry will not accept. That would be to betray his family.
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Old 05-13-2021, 06:48 PM
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It is obvious that Prince Harry will not accept. That would be to betray his family.


He’s been doing that on a pretty consistent basis lately already. Including today. And given that he’s said William and Charles are trapped, but aren’t intelligent enough to comprehend it- you could argue he already has advocated for the end of the monarchy. He just hasn’t made it official....yet.

I wouldn’t assume anything where Harry is concerned.
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Old 05-13-2021, 06:53 PM
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If I were that group, I’d probably have done the same thing....I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he accepts

I would be curious to see if he makes a reply either accepting or declining to Republic.
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Old 05-13-2021, 07:01 PM
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I would sincerely hope that if and when Harry catches wind of this, it would be a rather rude awakening that just perhaps he's gone too far in his criticism and his "woke" emotions and really see how the rest of the world is perceiving him treating his family.

Actions beget reactions and this is *not* a good reaction that reflects well on Harry at all.
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He’s been doing that on a pretty consistent basis lately already. Including today. And given that he’s said William and Charles are trapped, but aren’t intelligent enough to comprehend it- you could argue he already has advocated for the end of the monarchy. He just hasn’t made it official....yet.

I wouldn’t assume anything where Harry is concerned.
Okay. But if he accepted, he would go against his family and what it represents. Your father and brother are going to be kings. Harry cannot (or should not) join a group that defends a republic.

I imagine Meghan accepting to do that. But Harry didn't ....
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Now I've heard it all. What's next?
Even just 6 months ago I would've said pigs were far more likely to fly than Harry was to give Oprah a prime-time interview trashing his entire family and his nation while his grandfather lay dying in hospital. I would've said it was more likely for cows to swim the Channel than it was for Harry to essentially label his father and grandparents as child abusers on a podcast a mere few weeks after his grandfather was buried.

Harry appears to be on a mission to destroy his family and the monarchy. I never thought I would type that sentence. He's the Republic leader in all but name.
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Old 05-13-2021, 07:06 PM
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Even just 6 months ago I would've said pigs were far more likely to fly than Harry was to give Oprah a prime-time interview trashing his entire family and his nation while his grandfather lay dying in hospital. I would've said it was more likely for cows to swim the Channel than it was for Harry to essentially label his father and grandparents as child abusers on a podcast a mere few weeks after his grandfather was buried.
You and me both, PetticoatLand, you and me both. I'm going to have to start using an umbrella every time I step outdoors now because we all know flying pigs are worse than pigeons.

Well.. there's one thing that could happen. Should Harry jump on the Republic bandwagon publicly, I guess that the Queen could consider that treason enough to ask Parliament to strip him of his ducal title. Hmmm... food for thought there.
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