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Old 05-07-2021, 02:09 AM
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Charles will make British royal history when he becomes King Charles III. He will be the first male monarch since King George VI.
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Old 05-07-2021, 06:03 AM
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Charles will make British royal history when he becomes King Charles III. He will be the first male monarch since King George VI.
Just a question, how is that making history? It will have only been one Queen in between two the two Kings and even in BRF history there have been periods of two Queens Regnant following each other. Edward VII even took over from a mother who at the time held the longest reigning monarch title at 63 years.
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Old 05-07-2021, 06:19 AM
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Just a question, how is that making history? It will have only been one Queen in between two the two Kings and even in BRF history there have been periods of two Queens Regnant following each other. Edward VII even took over from a mother who at the time held the longest reigning monarch title at 63 years.
Its not. It might be making history if there had been 3 or 4 queens as there were in the Netherlands and then a male monarch came long...
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Old 05-07-2021, 11:58 PM
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This is not good.

Labor MP Khalid Mahmood, the shadow defense minister, quit.

He had a lot to say. most notably that current party members "have more in common with Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday."
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Old 05-08-2021, 01:58 AM
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Just a question, how is that making history? It will have only been one Queen in between two the two Kings and even in BRF history there have been periods of two Queens Regnant following each other. Edward VII even took over from a mother who at the time held the longest reigning monarch title at 63 years.
Charles will be making history because he will be the first of the male monarchs to succeed his mother. If nothing disrupts the succession, after King Charles III are King William V and King George VII.
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Old 05-08-2021, 02:19 AM
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But that has happened before, as has been pointed out here, when King Edward VII succeeded his mother Queen Victoria in 1901, after a reign of almost 64 years. He was succeeded himself by his son and a grandson as will happen with Charles.

To make history, an event IMO should be unprecedented, and Charles succeeding his mother is not. It’s been done before.
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Old 05-08-2021, 03:26 AM
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This is not good.

Labor MP Khalid Mahmood, the shadow defense minister, quit.

He had a lot to say. most notably that current party members "have more in common with Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday."
He said:

"A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party ... but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world."

There are many reasons why people here in Northern England have turned away from the Labour Party, and this isn't the place to discuss them, but I don't think he was particularly referring to Harry and Meghan when he said "Californian high society".
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Old 05-08-2021, 03:30 AM
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Charles will be making history because he will be the first of the male monarchs to succeed his mother. If nothing disrupts the succession, after King Charles III are King William V and King George VII.
How does that make history?
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Old 05-08-2021, 04:40 AM
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He said:

"A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party ... but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world."

There are many reasons why people here in Northern England have turned away from the Labour Party, and this isn't the place to discuss them, but I don't think he was particularly referring to Harry and Meghan when he said "Californian high society".
I think he has a point but Im not sure what it has to do with future of the monarchy....
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Old 05-08-2021, 05:29 AM
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I assume the original post was linking "Californian high society" to Harry and Meghan, but, no, I don't think there's any connection with the future of the monarchy!
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Old 05-08-2021, 05:43 AM
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I don't think Khalid Mahmood's (Labour MP) tweet is about Harry & Meghan, despite the phrase "Californian high society" was used. It's more got to do with how social media (particularly twitter) is not an accurate representation on the views of the British public. I supposed this could also applied to the support of the British Monarchy, especially the response (probably expressed by young republicans and socialists/progressives) after Prince Philip's death. At one point, the phrase "Socialism" was trending on twitter.

The phrase "Twitter is not real life" has definitely re-surfaced with great emphasis for the past couple of days.
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Old 05-08-2021, 06:15 AM
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I assume the original post was linking "Californian high society" to Harry and Meghan, but, no, I don't think there's any connection with the future of the monarchy!
I suppose Californian high society refers to Hollywood and rich types in California....
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Old 05-08-2021, 06:26 AM
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Charles will be making history because he will be the first of the male monarchs to succeed his mother. If nothing disrupts the succession, after King Charles III are King William V and King George VII.
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but let's not shout it until he is to make history of this kind there is so much destiny left to happen.
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Old 05-08-2021, 06:30 AM
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but let's not shout it until he is to make history of this kind there is so much destiny left to happen.
but he's not making history. There have been many cases of a male monarch suceeding a female one..most recently Edward VII
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Old 05-08-2021, 08:31 AM
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I suppose Californian high society refers to Hollywood and rich types in California....

I don't think either that the Labour MP was referring to Harry and Meghan, but the Sussexes now are de facto part of or identified with that same urban, woke "Californian high society" he was referring to.
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Old 05-08-2021, 10:19 AM
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He was also probably referring to the fact that twitter like much other social media is based in California.

And that politically California is synonymous with progressive movements. And has been since at least the sixties.
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Old 05-08-2021, 01:13 PM
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Charles will make British royal history when he becomes King Charles III. He will be the first male monarch since King George VI.
How is that historical?
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Old 05-09-2021, 12:53 AM
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How does that make history?
There has not been a King of England named Charles since Charles II, whose reign ended in 1685. Thus, it has been over 330 years since a sovereign in England was named Charles.
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Old 05-09-2021, 02:58 AM
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There has not been a King of England named Charles since Charles II, whose reign ended in 1685. Thus, it has been over 330 years since a sovereign in England was named Charles.

The two Charles' were both kings of England and Scotland and the next Charles will be king of the Uk. But, when we think of the wish of so many Scots people to become independant and the need of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland to form at least some sort of unity, it might be possible that Charles at one point in his reign, is going to be "King of England" again.
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Old 05-09-2021, 03:02 AM
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Yes, Cyril, but there have been two Kings of England and Scotland named Charles. Prince Charles won’t be the first monarch of the name. Therefore his accession as Charles III won’t be history-making.
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