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Old 04-21-2021, 03:25 PM
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Something else I hope they’ll address in this summit which obviously they would not make public: how long should Charles be king? Should he plan on an abdication at a certain age but to give William and Kate more time with their children - that he didn’t have growing up? If he is really as unpopular as polls say, he will also need to be a pragmatist like his father so that the monarchy doesn’t go down the tubes. I cannot see him suggesting that William should be king after HM passes on, but unless he becomes super popular, I can’t see him sustaining the monarchy until his death. So many other monarchs in Europe have stepped aside to retire. I cannot see HM doing this but I hope that Charles will at some point.

What do others think?
You asked, so....Charles should be King until he dies or isn’t capable, just like anyone else. I’m sorry that the public can’t find it’s way to even tolerate him, but it’s not an elective post and Charles is not going to make any kind of change to that end.

There is nothing to address. When HM passes, Charles will become King, with no modifications to his reign.
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Old 04-21-2021, 03:26 PM
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Something else I hope theyíll address in this summit which obviously they would not make public: how long should Charles be king? Should he plan on an abdication at a certain age but to give William and Kate more time with their children - that he didnít have growing up? If he is really as unpopular as polls say, he will also need to be a pragmatist like his father so that the monarchy doesnít go down the tubes. I cannot see him suggesting that William should be king after HM passes on, but unless he becomes super popular, I canít see him sustaining the monarchy until his death. So many other monarchs in Europe have stepped aside to retire. I cannot see HM doing this but I hope that Charles will at some point.

What do others think?
Of course I don't know but I can see Charles abdicating at a certain age - 85 or 90, but it would depend on what William wanted. I could then see Charles rededicating himself to the Prince's Trust (whatever the name would be) and supporting William.
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Old 04-21-2021, 03:34 PM
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Of course I don't know but I can see Charles abdicating at a certain age - 85 or 90, but it would depend on what William wanted. I could then see Charles rededicating himself to the Prince's Trust (whatever the name would be) and supporting William.
Why would Charles do that? He has a very strong sense of duty...why should the Queen not do it, but he would ? If heís strong and capable at 85 or so, good for him and he should keep on being King.


This is just a general comment, but it seems like thereís a lot of wishful thinking...
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Old 04-21-2021, 03:44 PM
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I’ve got a feeling that Charles, having waited for over 73 years to ascend the throne of GB, will be King until his dying breath, bar severe incapacity, just like his mother.
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Old 04-21-2021, 03:55 PM
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I’ve got a feeling that Charles, having waited for over 73rd years to ascend the throne of GB, will be King until his dying breath, bar severe incapacity, just like his mother.

It is surreal to think that Charles may possibly become king close to the age when Beatrix, Albert and Juan Carlos abdicated (after relatively long reigns BTW).

Anyway, abdication is too difficult in the UK and the Commonwealth realms to be a practical option. Besides, I agree Charles wouldn't want it. I think the chances are very slim.
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Old 04-21-2021, 04:55 PM
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I don't expect Charles to be considering the option of abdication. If the British would decide to start abdicating, my guess would be that it will start with William (and while I hope Charles has a long life ahead of him, I would hope that William will be a bit younger when he takes over; so can still have a decent reign), so George will start his reign for example in his fifties instead of seventies.
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Old 04-21-2021, 06:11 PM
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I recall many years ago reading in a few articles/books that Edward VII as Prince of Wales was none too popular and expected to make a poor king, but that the opposite happened and he was well thought of for the 10 or so years that he was monarch. Perhaps it might work this way too for King Charles. Personally, I've always thought he will do a good job, and shouldn't be blamed forever because of his divorce to a popular princess. As far as I can see, besides that marital blip, is that he's always done a thoughtful and good job as Prince of Wales.
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Old 04-21-2021, 06:18 PM
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I recall many years ago reading in a few articles/books that Edward VII as Prince of Wales was none too popular and expected to make a poor king, but that the opposite happened and he was well thought of for the 10 or so years that he was monarch. Perhaps it might work this way too for King Charles. Personally, I've always thought he will do a good job, and shouldn't be blamed forever because of his divorce to a popular princess. As far as I can see, besides that marital blip, is that he's always done a thoughtful and good job as Prince of Wales.
I thought Edward VII was popular as a PoW..........though I admit, I'm not sure that anyone thought he'd be a good king.

My fear is that nothing Charles does, after his mother passes, will ever be good enough. He doesn't need to be personally popular, but it would be nice if he had the support of the British. Unfortunately, I foresee a lot of "we want William"...
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Old 04-21-2021, 07:40 PM
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Just so you all know, I am in the States and really like Charles- and Camilla too. I asked because Charles has waited for so long and if he has a long life (which I hope he does!) but doesnít abdicate, William will be much older as well. I think that Prince Philip and HM more than earned their right to retire (but HM of course didnít choose to) years and years ago. I would imagine that HM heard all her life from her family about how her uncle David neglected his duty by abdicating so how could she possibly think about retiring? And she pledged her service her whole life no matter how long or short. Charles will be 87 in 15 years, William will be 54; surely if Charles lives to be 97, then William will be 64. So continuing in this vein, these kings will be over 60 before beginning their reign.

I do not mean to sound ageist (Iím over 60 myself) but I am thinking about younger people in the UK. Remember Elizabeth became Queen in her 20ís and has had 70+ years to become beloved by several generations. I am just concerned about our topic: the future of the monarchy.
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Old 04-21-2021, 08:36 PM
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Just so you all know, I am in the States and really like Charles- and Camilla too. I asked because Charles has waited for so long and if he has a long life (which I hope he does!) but doesnít abdicate, William will be much older as well. I think that Prince Philip and HM more than earned their right to retire (but HM of course didnít choose to) years and years ago. I would imagine that HM heard all her life from her family about how her uncle David neglected his duty by abdicating so how could she possibly think about retiring? And she pledged her service her whole life no matter how long or short. Charles will be 87 in 15 years, William will be 54; surely if Charles lives to be 97, then William will be 64. So continuing in this vein, these kings will be over 60 before beginning their reign.

I do not mean to sound ageist (Iím over 60 myself) but I am thinking about younger people in the UK. Remember Elizabeth became Queen in her 20ís and has had 70+ years to become beloved by several generations. I am just concerned about our topic: the future of the monarchy.
My god, I canít even imagine them all at those ages, lol.

You donít sound ageist at all - Iím sorry, I didnít mean to imply that you did. Weíre all concerned (in the general sense) and want the monarchy to continue on.

No offense against young people (all over, not just UK), but they need to get a grip when it comes to older people/the elderly. Their obsession with youth is extremely problematic.

Lastly - without being morbid, we donít know how long anyone mentioned above will live, so Iím not sure we should think that far ahead.
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Old 04-21-2021, 09:00 PM
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I do not see Charles abdicating once he is the sovereign. There are plenty of royal duties and activities which will keep him busy.
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Old 04-21-2021, 11:05 PM
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I donít think Charles will abdicate, and I expect that when he becomes King the coverage of him will change in tone, for the better. It will have nothing to do with him, personally, but rather his new position as the Head of State. Itís not that he wonít be criticized, but the media wonít jump to criticize him as quickly, and the public will by and large become a little more respectful.

Charles wonít have time to make his mark as King in the way that William will, and he wonít be iconic like his mother, but I think heíll do as much as possible with the relatively short period of time heís going to have.
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Old 04-21-2021, 11:26 PM
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I donít think Charles will abdicate, and I expect that when he becomes King the coverage of him will change in tone, for the better. It will have nothing to do with him, personally, but rather his new position as the Head of State. Itís not that he wonít be criticized, but the media wonít jump to criticize him as quickly, and the public will by and large become a little more respectful.

Charles wonít have time to make his mark as King in the way that William will, and he wonít be iconic like his mother, but I think heíll do as much as possible with the relatively short period of time heís going to have.
Charlesís legacy will primarily be as PoW, and thatís not a bad thing; heís free to do so many things as PoW that he couldnít ever do as King. Actually, heís got an enormous responsibility now, as patriarch of the family - one of which is taking care of his mother. The first thing heíll do as King, sadly, will be to bury and honor his mother, and regardless of however long heís on the throne, the way he comforts a grieving nation will be long remembered.
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Old 04-22-2021, 03:39 AM
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I think Edward VII divided opinion - the serious, moralising section of the population weren't impressed by a future king who ran around with women and spent a lot of time playing cards (at a time when gambling was illegal), eating way too much and generally living it up, whereas other people thought he was good fun and a good laugh.
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Old 04-22-2021, 05:22 AM
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I think Edward VII divided opinion - the serious, moralising section of the population weren't impressed by a future king who ran around with women and spent a lot of time playing cards (at a time when gambling was illegal), eating way too much and generally living it up, whereas other people thought he was good fun and a good laugh.
True, I think that he did appeal to a lot of ordinary people who while they might not sleep around or carouse themelseves, enjoyed seeing him having a good time and got vicarious pleasure out of his exploits. I think that the more serious Victorians, who valued propriety, did feel that he would not be a good king.. that he was too undutiful, had been involved in too many scandals as POW, and that he had not exactly been a worker bee, albeit, the truth was that Q Vic had made it difficult for him to take up any real occupation...but he proved to be a reasonably good monarch, doing his duty, but still enjoying his pleasures....
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Old 04-22-2021, 05:37 AM
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I remember reading the memoirs of a Peer years ago, whose coachman commented to him in the 1890s, with reference to the future Edward VII, that ‘God would not allow such a wicked man to come to the Throne’.

Certainly his way of life was regarded with disapproval by many deeply religious and conservative Victorians. However, as King he applied himself to his red boxes, which he had never been allowed to see when his mother was alive and his gifts for diplomacy came to the fore.


I’m not sure though that we can draw too many parallels between the end of Victoria’s reign and the twilight years of Elizabeth II’s. The times and the characters of both sovereigns and their heirs are so very different.
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Old 04-22-2021, 06:15 AM
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It sounds like Edward VII, when PoW, was never given a chance to prove himself capable, which is why I suppose he surprised people. Sometimes people love down to your expectations of them...and up to them.

Referring back to Elliecatís original point about Edward VII, the British people know that Charles has done many significant, important things as PoW, and has shown a strong devotion to do his duty. Many of them just canít abide him personally, and so they think heíd be a horrible King.
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Old 04-22-2021, 06:36 AM
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No, and why? There is no way to say this without being awkward, but Charles has ďearnedĒ his right to be King. William will be a terrific one, but he has to wait. Again, I ask why.
I think that when Charles is crowned - an announcement will be made the William, prince of Wales will be given more power and will function as a joint monarchy in come capacity. Also I expect that an announcement will also be made that Charles will abdicate at a specific date or time.- Say when Charles turns 80.
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Old 04-22-2021, 06:41 AM
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I think that when Charles is crowned - an announcement will be made the William, prince of Wales will be given more power and will function as a joint monarchy in come capacity. Also I expect that an announcement will also be made that Charles will abdicate at a specific date or time.- Say when Charles turns 80.
Why would they do anyting like that? William is not going to be King, Charles is, and he's waited so long, why would he share his role as king wtih his son? And Again Charles has waited a long time to be king and takes his role seriously. Why would he put a time limit on his time as king??
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Why would they do anyting like that? William is not going to be King, Charles is, and he's waited so long, why would he share his role as king wtih his son? And Again Charles has waited a long time to be king and takes his role seriously. Why would he put a time limit on his time as king??
I agree...thereís no way this happens, thereís no reason for it, at all.
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