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Old 01-18-2020, 04:41 PM
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I think that Charles intended Anne and EDw and Sophie to continue with their work as long as they were able to do so.. and he expected the Cambs and the Sussexes to be full time royals and carrying the heaviest part of the burden as the older ones got older. Now he is losing 2 of the young ones...
I agree, Charles was never going to toss aside his sister and brother/sister-in-law after all the work they have done.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:49 PM
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You omitted the his Queen - Camilla
Camiilla's not a young woman and her health isn't that great. She wil do her best but seh's not likely to be a powerhouse of work... like 2 younger couples could be...
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I agree, Charles was never going to toss aside his sister and brother/sister-in-law after all the work they have done.
I really believe that he was going to keep Anne - but not Andrew and Edward and Sophie.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:57 PM
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I think that he has got to keep Anne, Ed and Sophie. Obviously not Andrew.
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Old 01-18-2020, 04:59 PM
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I really believe that he was going to keep Anne - but not Andrew and Edward and Sophie.

It’s a huge shame that Edward and Sophie are 100% overlooked considering how much they do for the royal family. They epitomise what the royal family meets, and deserve to be “kept”.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:18 PM
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I don't think Charles has a choice now all considered - but it was not part of the original plan. It is just ironic as Charles has been planning this for decades and now when it is really too late to in place this happens. It is amazing the difference a year makes.


Edward and Sophie know about this - they have also made arrangements. Edward was fully committed to doing the DOE items and small school and hospital openings. A higher profile mean greater public scrutiny. They have not been prepared for a greater role and might not agree to one if requested of them.
I think Andrew accepted it and was still pursuing a greater role this time last year.
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Old 01-18-2020, 05:21 PM
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I don't think Charles has a choice now all considered - but it was not part of the original plan. It is just ironic as Charles has been planning this for decades and now when it is really too late to in place this happens. It is amazing the difference a year makes.


Edward and Sophie know about this - they have also made arrangements. Edward was fully committed to doing the DOE items and small school and hospital openings. A higher profile mean greater public scrutiny. They have not been prepared for a greater role and might not agree to one if requested of them.
I think Andrew accepted it and was still pursuing a greater role this time last year.


Can you provide any evidence of Charles’ plan? That doesn’t exist and was made up by the media...

Greater public scrutiny from whom and for what exactly? Carrying on their job they’ve been doing for years..just doing it more often perhaps.
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Can you provide any evidence of Charles’ plan? That doesn’t exist and was made up by the media...
On the other hand, is there any evidence that it was made up by the media? It is common knowledge that the Prince of Wales has not published an official plan for his reign, but that does not necessarily prove that no plan exists in private.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:23 PM
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On the other hand, is there any evidence that it was made up by the media? It is common knowledge that the Prince of Wales has not published an official plan for his reign, but that does not necessarily prove that no plan exists in private.


All the evidence the media has ever presented us. This slimmed down monarchy idea came from the age old Andrew vs Charles stories which have circulated for years.

Whether a plan exists for Charles’ reign or not has no bearing on the fact that this slimmed down monarchy idea never originated from the palace.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:32 PM
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All the evidence the media has ever presented us. This slimmed down monarchy idea came from the age old Andrew vs Charles stories which have circulated for years.

Whether a plan exists for Charles’ reign or not has no bearing on the fact that this slimmed down monarchy idea never originated from the palace.
But it is proven to be a fact? Even if there is no evidence that it originated from the palace, unless there is evidence to the contrary, it would mean simply that there is no proof of where it originated.
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:34 PM
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But it is proven to be a fact? Even if there is no evidence that it originated from the palace, unless there is evidence to the contrary, it would mean simply that there is no proof of where it originated.


What would you like as evidence to show the press made up the story? Other than articles showing that the press were the ones who initiated the claims?

Surely the fact the story originated with the press, and not from the royal household, rather proves who started it...
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If Charles were not intending to slim down the monarchy, he and the queen would have taken on other youngr royals by now..
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Old 01-18-2020, 06:40 PM
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If Charles were not intending to slim down the monarchy, he and the queen would have taken on other youngr royals by now..


By now? According to the media Charles slimmed down RF was Himself, Camilla, William, Catherine, Henry and Meghan. Seeing as Henry and Meghan’s official departure from senior royal life came only a two weeks ago, and confirmation came today. How has Charles had time to take on younger royals?
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If Charles were not intending to slim down the monarchy, he and the queen would have taken on other youngr royals by now..
I think they all knew the number of working members would naturally slim down by normal attrition. It is only because so many members of the family have aged so well that we have this bounty of workers currently.

I think Beatrice & Eugenie’s possible role was affected by their parents’ bad behavior.
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What would you like as evidence to show the press made up the story? Other than articles showing that the press were the ones who initiated the claims?
If there are articles showing it, that would certainly qualify as evidence.

In any event, I think the original posters discussing the alleged slimming down are aware that there is no concrete proof, but they have assessed it as believable based on their own analysis of the facts.
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If there are articles showing it, that would certainly qualify as evidence.



In any event, I think the original posters discussing the alleged slimming down are aware that there is no concrete proof, but they have assessed it as believable based on their own analysis of the facts.

And those facts would be? There is no concrete proof (which would come from an official statement released by Clarence House) to suggest Charles has any plans to slim down the monarchy. There’s lots of proof in several decades of newspapers, referring to royal sources and friends of the royals, and insiders. If people believe those as fact, maybe we didn’t walk on the moon after all.
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I believe there have been discussions on this forum where members have explained their reasons for believing the monarchy will or will not be slimmed down.



On a different note, I wonder if the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge are perhaps pondering or even expecting the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to resume their status as working royals in the future, even if only very far into the future. In view of the life expectancies of British royalty, it is likely that the Sussexes will be alive in 50 years, but it seems unlikely that they will remain active in commercial ventures at that age.
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I believe there have been discussions on this forum where members have explained their reasons for believing the monarchy will or will not be slimmed down.



On a different note, I wonder if the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge are perhaps pondering or even expecting the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to resume their status as working royals in the future, even if only very far into the future. In view of the life expectancies of British royalty, it is likely that the Sussexes will be alive in 50 years, but it seems unlikely that they will remain active in commercial ventures at that age.
I don't think they ever expect Meghan back. A divorced Harry might be a different story if his father and grandmother think he's bitten off more than he can chew and they take pity on him.

IMO, if he ever does come back it will be within the next 15 years. Once we get to William's reign or the tail end of Charles' that window will be closed. I don't think William will be as pitying or indulgent as Charles or the Queen. And by that time George and Charlotte will be adults so the G&C option will be preferable to BRF anyway.
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I don't think they ever expect Meghan back. A divorced Harry might be a different story if his father and grandmother think he's bitten off more than he can chew and they take pity on him.

IMO, if he ever does come back it will be within the next 15 years. Once we get to William's reign or the tail end of Charles' that window will be closed. I don't think William will be as pitying or indulgent as Charles or the Queen. And by that time George and Charlotte will be adults so the G&C option will be preferable to BRF anyway.
I would be surprised if he lasted 15 months let alone 15 years. He has spent his entire life in a prevliged bubble and has NO idea how the real world works
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Privileged bubble? Does that include Charles, the Queen, William and the rest of them, or just Harry? And actually, Harry spent ten years in the army, serving with enlisted men and including twice in a war zone in air services. Privileged?
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