The British Nobility thread 1: Ending 2022


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The Duke and Duchess of Devonshire viewed parts of the 'Chatsworth Outdoors: Grounds for Sculpture' exhibition, in the grounds of Chatsworth House on September 12:


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“PRINCE WILLIAM HAS ASKED ME TO BE GODFATHER TO HIS SON,” THE MOST ELIGIBLE BACHELOR IN THE WORLD

His name is Hugh Grosvenor. He is only 27 years old and his fortune exceeds $ 14 billion. And that makes him the richest man in the world under the age of 30 years. He’s single and, therefore, is the most eligible bachelor in the world.

INTERVIEW:

Your grace, allow me to congratulate you on the opening of a new National rehabilitation centre for the military. You have done so much for this project.
Thank you very much, but my role in the implementation of this idea very modest. I just finished what dad started. Unfortunately, he did not live to see the day of the opening of the center, but I am sure that his soul was present at the ceremony. I felt it.

They say that the construction cost of 300 million pounds. This is 400 million dollars! Who has allocated so much money?
Center built solely on private donations. The state was not required to allocate a single penny. My father took care of the creation of a special Fund. He has personally invested the most money — £ 50 million (65.6 million dollars. — Ed.). I, as head of the family, added another 20 million pounds (26.2 million dollars. — Ed.). I heard that our Foundation has collected the largest amount in the history of the UK. But that was not an end in itself. The father wanted that it was a modern rehabilitation centre for servicemen — with the world’s best equipment, best doctors and facilities for those who will now return here to normal life after wounds and injuries. I am sure that no noble goals, and there is no better project for donations.


The rest of the interview can be found here https://bobrtimes.com/prince-willia...-eligible-bachelor-in-the-world-photos/82102/
 
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Viscountess Weymouth with Lady Kitty at the LOVE Magazine 10th Birthday Party at Loulou's on 17 September

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Hugh Grosvenor, 7th Duke of Westminster and Natalia Grosvenor, Duchess of Westminster at the Queen's Own Yeomanry consecration service in Bramham Park, Yorkshire today 22 September with the presence of Prince Charles

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The younger brother of Lord Lucan has died in South Africa, sparking speculation he may reveal details about what became of his brother

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-died-brother-Hugh-Bingham-South-Africa.html

Viscountess Weymouth walks in Milan Fashion week fir the Dolce&Gabbana

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And attends at the Birthday party of Domenico Dolce

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Today, September 27, Viscountess Weymouth attended the 'A Star Is Born' film premiere in London:


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Five daughters of hereditary peers go to the ECHR to be allowed to stand for election to the House of Lords, see the BBC article here .

CrowdJustice Case Update

Two friends of mine, Carla Stanley [a member the family of the Earls of Derby] and Charlotte Carew-Pole [a member of the family of the Carew-Pole Baronetcy] have begun a [currently] fairly successful 'crowd funding' exercise to raise money to challenge Male Primogeniture in the British Peerage at the European Court of Human rights.

Their intention is enable the eldest child to inherit the title [regardless of gender] following the example of the royal family.

This is likely to prove VERY 'tricky' since the VAST majority of Peerages in existence were created [expressly and individually, in some cases HUNDREDS of years ago] to descend to 'heirs male of the body'.

Additionally [and perhaps] FAR more controversially, [since HMQ is the 'fount of ALL Honours' in the UK], if the case were to succeed effectively it would create legal precedent for a foreign Court to have jurisdiction over our Head of State.

Regardless of the merits of the case, this [in the era of Brexit] will not be popular or unchallenged.

On July 17, 2018, YouGov conducted a survey on 5,310 British adults, weighted to be representative of the Great Britain population.

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/re...8e44b46e-89a0-11e8-8d0b-55ea1bb289e2/toplines


2. Most hereditary titles, like Duke or Earl, can only be inherited by male children. Do you think most hereditary titles should continue to only descend through male children, or should female children have the same right to inherit them?

10% Most titles should continue to only be inherited by male children
71% Female children should have the same right to inherit titles
19% Don't know



Views vary substantially by age, gender, and political party, but are more even across region and social grade.

Only 65% of those ages 18 to 24 say female children should have the same right to inherit titles, compared to 75% of those age 50 and older.

Only 64% of men say female children should have the same right to inherit titles, compared to 79% of women.

Liberal Democrats are the most likely to say that female children should have the same right to inherit titles (82%), followed by Labour (76%), the SNP (74%), Conservatives (69%), and UKIP (51%).


Daughters' Rights update

We have been bolstered by endorsements from The Fawcett Society, the leading campaigners for gender equality and women's rights and 50:50Parliament, whose purpose is to get more women elected to parliament.

Several peers, both hereditary and life peers across all parties sitting in the House of Lords, have put their heads above the parapet including Baroness Deech, Visount Simon, Lord Lucas, Baroness Lane Fox, Viscount Ridley, Lord Clement Jones and Baroness Rawlings.

Are any of these endorsements interesting, or were they all expected?

The Standing Council of the Baronetage have asked positively for details of the campaign to discuss at their Executive Committee, which is encouraging.

In the next few weeks we should hear that the government have been formally advised of our case and know what their response is.
 
Daughters' Rights update



Are any of these endorsements interesting, or were they all expected?
1. Given that the eventual court case regards the end of male primogeniture in the succession to peerage titles I don't see why a member of a family holding a baronetecy is taking part. A baronet is not a peer.
2. They'd better hurry up. The Tories have stated their to replace the European Convention on Human Rights with a British Bill of Rights after Brexit so the ladies could find that a positive verdict would have no validity anyway. A decision isn't binding even if the ECHR maintains it's jurisdiction over the UK at the time of the verdict although the British courts according to the Human Rights Act must take into account it's verdicts, decisions, declarations & advisory opinions.
Whatever the case I doubt that neither the Government nor the Parliament will be happy to implement the decision of a foreign court on a question regarding the governance of the country itself.
 
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The Baronetcy Boreel of Amsterdam.

On the website of the Dutch Hoge Raad van Adel (High Council of Nobility) there is an item about the Baronetcy Boreel of Amsterdam, created by King Charles I in 1645 for Willem Boreel (1591-1668), special Envoy of the Lords Estates-General.

The family Boreel belongs to the Dutch Nobility, with the predicate Jonkheer or Jonkvrouw. The baronetcy is held by the most senior male descendant.

Since 2001 - the death of Jonkheer Sir Francis David Boreel, 13th Baronet Boreel of Amsterdam, the title was dormant. His eldest daughter Jonkvrouw Reiniera Adriana Boreel has signed a so-called Statutory Declaration at the Hoge Raad van Adel. In this the eldest daughter of the last Baronet declares that her relative Jonkheer Stephan Gerard Boreel, from another branch of the family, is successor to the Baronetcy.

The Statutory Declaration was sent to the College of Arms in London. With this declaration the College can register the new holder on the Official Roll of the Baronetage. Since then Jonkheer Sir Stephan Gerard Boreel is the 14th Baronet Boreel of Amsterdam.

The Statutory Declaration was signed by Lady Boreel at the Hoge Raad van Adel. This because the Council has been helpful in the complex procedure.

Picture: https://www.hogeraadvanadel.nl/actueel/nieuws/2018/01/31/de-baronetcy-boreel-of-amsterdam
 
1. Given that the eventual court case regards the end of male primogeniture in the succession to peerage titles I don't see why a member of a family holding a baronetecy is taking part. A baronet is not a peer.

Charlotte Carew Pole is the chairperson of Daughters' Rights and is not a party in the case. All five of the plaintiffs are eldest children of peers.

2. They'd better hurry up. The Tories have stated their to replace the European Convention on Human Rights with a British Bill of Rights after Brexit so the ladies could find that a positive verdict would have no validity anyway. A decision isn't binding even if the ECHR maintains it's jurisdiction over the UK at the time of the verdict although the British courts according to the Human Rights Act must take into account it's verdicts, decisions, declarations & advisory opinions.
Whatever the case I doubt that neither the Government nor the Parliament will be happy to implement the decision of a foreign court on a question regarding the governance of the country itself.

The judgment of the Court is legally binding when the government is a party in the case (Article 46), even if governments do not always implement its judgments in practice. http://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf

According to a research report concerning the UK and the ECHR,

The UK accepted the right of individuals to take a case to Strasbourg and the jurisdiction of the ECtHR in 1966. In 1998, the right of individual petition and the jurisdiction of the Court were made compulsory for all states which are members of the ECHR.

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The UK has a very low ‘rate of defeat’ at Strasbourg. Of the nearly 12,000 applications brought against the UK between 1999 and 2010, the vast majority fell at the first hurdle. Only three per cent (390 applications) were declared admissible. An even smaller proportion of applications 1.8 per cent (215) eventually resulted in a judgment finding a violation. In other words, the UK ‘lost’ only one in fifty cases brought against it in Strasbourg. If adjustment is made for repetitive cases (i.e. cases where the violation has the same root cause and therefore multiple judgments are counted as a single judgment), the rate of defeat falls to 1.4 per cent (161). The latest figures for 2011 show a rate of defeat of just 0.5 per cent, or one in 200.

The UK has a generally exemplary record in implementing judgments of the ECtHR. Strasbourg judgments concerning the UK usually lead to swift changes to the law or the way that the law is applied. This view of the UK’s positive record is shared within the Council of Europe. The one notable recent exception concerns the issue of prisoner voting rights, which has remained unresolved since 2005.​
 
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Viscountess Weymouth attended a filmmakers dinner hosted by the woman of Christina Choe's 'Nancy' and Time's Up with Andrea Riseborough in London on October 13:


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The Duke and Duchess of Beaufort attended the launch of a new fashion collaboration between Each Other, Robert Montgomery and Woodfall Films in London yesterday, October 18:


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Lady Sarah McCorquodale was also there as joint master of the Hunt

Socialite Lady Violet Manners claimed a group of 'violent' hunt saboteurs terrorised her group during a meet near her family's Leicestershire estate.

Writing on Instagram, the 25-year-old described how the campaigners 'blew horns' to confuse the hounds and tore across the fields dressed in black balaclavas.

'Then followed the screaming and shouting at the hounds, with even attempts to kick them [the hounds],' her impassioned post continued. 'It was utterly despicable
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Lady Violet Manners, 25, claims 'despicable' anti-hunt saboteurs set upon her group and tried to 'kick the hounds' during a meet near her family's Belvoir estate
 
I think its very possible. After all, Charles has a bit of experience in that role. :D
 
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Anne-Sofie, Countess of Lucan, and husband George, Earl of Lucan, at the Lucan trunk show at 34 Mayfair in London yesterday, November 8:


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Lady Sabrina Percy and Lady Violet Manners attended the 2018 Cartier Racing Awards at The Dorchester in London this evening, November 13:



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Viscountess Weymouth at the Evening Standard Theatre Awards in London tonight 18 November

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Lady Sabrina Percy at the Monica Vinader and Whitney Bromberg Hawkings co-host VIP Thanksgiving Dinner in London today

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Lady Violet Manners and Lady Alice Manners at the Church's unveil the new St James Collection in London today

https://www.rexfeatures.com/livefee...s_collection,_london?celeb=Lady Alice Manners
 
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