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Old 09-02-2020, 02:10 AM
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Duke of Beaufort's son Marquess of Worcester and his fiancée, Lucy Yorke-Long, gets married at Badminton House.


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Old 09-02-2020, 02:19 AM
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Duke of Beaufort's son Marquess of Worcester and his fiancée, Lucy Yorke-Long, gets married at Badminton House.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ronavirus.html
Congratulation to the newly wed Marquess and Marchioness of Worcester!!!

Wish them all the happiness!

What a great venue and weather for horse-riding on their wedding day
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Old 09-05-2020, 12:44 AM
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Some of the late Lord Snowdon’s items are currently at auction at Christie’s, which will be held online from 4-24 September.

There are hundred plus items to be put in sale (a lot starts at £900 bid!) but not as EXTREME as the Princess Margaret items a decade ago...hmmm...

Snowdon: A Life in Art and Objects

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Old 09-05-2020, 02:57 AM
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Some of the late Lord Snowdon’s items are currently at auction at Christie’s, which will be held online from 4-24 September.

There are hundred plus items to be put in sale (a lot starts at £900 bid!) but not as EXTREME as the Princess Margaret items a decade ago...hmmm...

Snowdon: A Life in Art and Objects

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/s...ects/lots/1797


P.S. I hope some are following the fan account I made for updates about the Snowdons on Instagram (instagram.com/the_snowdons)

Not odd the prices are much lower then his former wife's. Even the older pieces don't have any real historical value like her jewels. And some look like you'd find in any grandma's house.

The art work will do well enough. Some nice pieces.

The rich person's version of clearing out old dad's house when he dies. Deciding which bits and pieces to keep for sentimental value, and which ones to dispose of. 20 years ago it would have been consignment stores for the rest of us, now its online yard sales. I am sure they kept quite a few pieces of his like they did of their mother's.
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Old 09-05-2020, 03:27 AM
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Not odd the prices are much lower then his former wife's. Even the older pieces don't have any real historical value like her jewels. And some look like you'd find in any grandma's house.

The art work will do well enough. Some nice pieces.

The rich person's version of clearing out old dad's house when he dies. Deciding which bits and pieces to keep for sentimental value, and which ones to dispose of. 20 years ago it would have been consignment stores for the rest of us, now its online yard sales. I am sure they kept quite a few pieces of his like they did of their mother's.

I am happy they’re not auctioning off the much more personal items, such as watches or the rings. (I’ve read in an FT article that David inherited some of his father’s heritage watches. I am not sure where the others - perhaps with David’s son Charles, or with Daniel and Rodolphe, the other sons-in-law) And good thing they’re not selling off his diaries or journals or the rest of his photographic work. I’m surprised even diaries of the deceased may be considered liable for taxation, like what Hilary Benn did to his father’s meticulously recorded journals, instead of auctioning them, the Benns/Stansgate donated Tony Benn’s works to the British Library.


So far the Snowdon estate has their photographic archives, managed by David, Sarah, and Frances - Armstrong-Jones Ltd

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00509896


I wonder how they make money with their dad’s photos, as a good number of them keep on circulating in print - like the Vanity Fair cover of Princess Anne and a Hello! cover of Princess Diana recently. And Frances has Luncheon Magazine where she is the publisher and editor.
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Old 09-05-2020, 04:49 AM
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I did see a French green-and-gilt decorated tole and gilt-brass chinoiserie sedan clock. It at first looked like an open pocket watch.
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National Trust 'to blame for aristocrats' plummeting fortunes during coronavirus'

Going back to stately home of the nobility, aristocracy or gentry, a Telegraph article has reported that the National Trust has been accused of shifting its focus on outdoor adventure playground experience rather than "historical houses". Some people in the comment section has stated that they have cancelled their membership due to lack of focus on preservation of historical houses.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...s-coronavirus/

The other reason for membership cancellation, according to some Twitter users is the Statement release by the National Trust itself in regards Black Lives Matter movement. This reaction is almost like the response to BBC's decision with Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/fea...national-trust

P.S. The Telegraph's online articles are free access until Monday due to a protest staged by Extinction Rebellion, where the protestors blocked News Corp printing sites on Saturday Morning (including Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph, The Sun, Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, The Times, Sunday Times, London Evening Standard, Financial Times). I am on The Telegraph reading spree right now
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Old 09-06-2020, 07:44 AM
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Going back to stately home of the nobility, aristocracy or gentry, a Telegraph article has reported that the National Trust has been accused of shifting its focus on outdoor adventure playground experience rather than "historical houses". Some people in the comment section has stated that they have cancelled their membership due to lack of focus on preservation of historical houses.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...s-coronavirus/

The other reason for membership cancellation, according to some Twitter users is the Statement release by the National Trust itself in regards Black Lives Matter movement. This reaction is almost like the response to BBC's decision with Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/fea...national-trust

P.S. The Telegraph's online articles are free access until Monday due to a protest staged by Extinction Rebellion, where the protestors blocked News Corp printing sites on Saturday Morning (including Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph, The Sun, Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, The Times, Sunday Times, London Evening Standard, Financial Times). I am on The Telegraph reading spree right now
at the moment I assume that visiting houses is going to be more diffuclt and people wont go, or will go to stately homes for outdoor activities rather than to visit the house itself....
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Old 09-06-2020, 10:15 AM
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Going back to stately home of the nobility, aristocracy or gentry, a Telegraph article has reported that the National Trust has been accused of shifting its focus on outdoor adventure playground experience rather than "historical houses". Some people in the comment section has stated that they have cancelled their membership due to lack of focus on preservation of historical houses.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...s-coronavirus/

The other reason for membership cancellation, according to some Twitter users is the Statement release by the National Trust itself in regards Black Lives Matter movement. This reaction is almost like the response to BBC's decision with Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/fea...national-trust
There are many who are disturbed by what they perceive as the "dumbing down" of the NT. As though a wider range of visitors are incapable of appreciating art, architecture & history without some gimmick thrown in. It's all so condescending.

None of the history of NT properties with regard to slavery & colonialism is new. It's not hidden. By all means inform more but don't lecture visitors otherwise they'll go elsewhere.

Indeed, if the NT want to bring slavery & colonialism more to the fore then they also need to be more honest about the realities of exploitation by class over generations. A bit less Downton Abbey & a bit more truth would be refreshing. That's actually more relevant to most British people than empire.

Best put the soap box away now.
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Old 09-06-2020, 04:41 PM
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There are many who are disturbed by what they perceive as the "dumbing down" of the NT. As though a wider range of visitors are incapable of appreciating art, architecture & history without some gimmick thrown in. It's all so condescending.

None of the history of NT properties with regard to slavery & colonialism is new. It's not hidden. By all means inform more but don't lecture visitors otherwise they'll go elsewhere.

Indeed, if the NT want to bring slavery & colonialism more to the fore then they also need to be more honest about the realities of exploitation by class over generations. A bit less Downton Abbey & a bit more truth would be refreshing. That's actually more relevant to most British people than empire.

Best put the soap box away now.
The NT is a historical organisation. Pretty sure most of the visitors would appreciate a lecture as they are there to soak up the history if they want to visit the houses themselves as well as the gardens?! If people feel uncomfortable with history they don't have to go.
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Old 09-06-2020, 05:41 PM
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The NT is a historical organisation. Pretty sure most of the visitors would appreciate a lecture as they are there to soak up the history if they want to visit the houses themselves as well as the gardens?! If people feel uncomfortable with history they don't have to go.
I thought that was an innocent enough remark. I meant lecture in a pejorative sense. As in the NT chiding or scolding. That's definitely a turn off.

I didn't mean lecture as in a talk given by an expert to an interested audience. That would be enjoyable & informative. My fault for not being clear.
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Old 09-06-2020, 05:48 PM
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The NT is a historical organisation. Pretty sure most of the visitors would appreciate a lecture as they are there to soak up the history if they want to visit the houses themselves as well as the gardens?! If people feel uncomfortable with history they don't have to go.
Definitely, that's why there are some cancellation of NT membership. The people who do these cancellations believed (as I observed from social media accounts) that the visitor/customers should not be lectured or preached with one-sided opinions and agenda. Yes, I would admit these people (who are angry with the NT) are most likely to be conservatives or have right-leaning views. However, I agree with them that the NT is jumping on the "Black Lives Matter" bandwagon and trying to be progressive and woke.

I agree if they do not like the approach that NT is taking, they could not go, but this would risk reduced tourism not just the estate, but nearby local areas. Especially with COVID-19, the estate owners/NT cannot afford to lose more tourists (who are IMO more likely to be conservatives than socialist).

The National Trust is not the only organisation that decided to focus on slavery and colonialism. The Natural History Museum (NHM) has also gone through the similar thing. Mike Graham from TalkRadio tweeted out a screenshot of the newspaper showing the direction of the NHM and he was not happy with their decisions at all. There is a conversation between Mike Graham and NHM London. It's not just Mike who are not happy, but also the replies to his tweet. The phrase "go woke go broke" is very prominent in their responses.

https://twitter.com/Iromg/status/1302592928502738945
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Old 09-06-2020, 06:51 PM
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I am one of those people who almost all of my trips are about history, art and architecture. I love touring old castles, homes, churches and more. And having a tour guide who can go through with me and explain the history.

The issue the NT and anyone doing tours of these houses is, people do these kinds of tours for different reasons. Some people will very much be fans of some thing like Downton abbey and are there for that experience. Others are genuinely interested in the history. Some are families, and having the outdoor play area appeals to them as there is something to interest the kids in too.

There is a difference between a guided tour and a lecture. Even those who are there for the history and the architecture, aren't there for a political lecture. If I went on a tour because I have a passion for the architecture of these homes, and got lectured on slavery instead, I would be considering a refund. Yes the subject is important, but not why I was there.

They may need to find a balance. Cater tours to specific interests. And then maybe offer a 'lecture series' where people who are interested in the colonial history can come one evening for a sit down lecture about that as well.


As for the NHM that bothers me far more. You cant simply erase history as it doesn't fit a certain view now. Yeah there are colonial issues with Darwin but that doesn't erase his scientific discoveries that he made. Offer a lecture, or have some information about the colonial side if that is important. But don't simply try and erase a scientific discovery.


I would be one who would sign up for both. I'd want to be left in peace for my tour of the house to learn about the family history and learn about the architecture style of the time. But I would also happily sit down for an evening lecture or such about the colonial aspects as well.
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Old 09-07-2020, 03:28 AM
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Definitely, that's why there are some cancellation of NT membership. The people who do these cancellations believed (as I observed from social media accounts) that the visitor/customers should not be lectured or preached with one-sided opinions and agenda. Yes, I would admit these people (who are angry with the NT) are most likely to be conservatives or have right-leaning views. However, I agree with them that the NT is jumping on the "Black Lives Matter" bandwagon and trying to be progressive and woke.

I agree if they do not like the approach that NT is taking, they could not go, but this would risk reduced tourism not just the estate, but nearby local areas. Especially with COVID-19, the estate owners/NT cannot afford to lose more tourists (who are IMO more likely to be conservatives than socialist).

The National Trust is not the only organisation that decided to focus on slavery and colonialism. The Natural History Museum (NHM) has also gone through the similar thing. Mike Graham from TalkRadio tweeted out a screenshot of the newspaper showing the direction of the NHM and he was not happy with their decisions at all. There is a conversation between Mike Graham and NHM London. It's not just Mike who are not happy, but also the replies to his tweet. The phrase "go woke go broke" is very prominent in their responses.

https://twitter.com/Iromg/status/1302592928502738945


Sigh. “Woke” is a specific AAVE word (African American Vernacular English) but has now been taken to be used in a derogatory manner. We’re forgetting their original post was made on Slavery Remembrance Day, so they have every right to link their past with slavery on that particular day.

Many black people are pleased with their efforts to include colonialism more often in their work.
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Old 09-07-2020, 08:28 AM
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There are many who are disturbed by what they perceive as the "dumbing down" of the NT. As though a wider range of visitors are incapable of appreciating art, architecture & history without some gimmick thrown in. It's all so condescending.

None of the history of NT properties with regard to slavery & colonialism is new. It's not hidden. By all means inform more but don't lecture visitors otherwise they'll go elsewhere.

Indeed, if the NT want to bring slavery & colonialism more to the fore then they also need to be more honest about the realities of exploitation by class over generations. A bit less Downton Abbey & a bit more truth would be refreshing. That's actually more relevant to most British people than empire.

Best put the soap box away now.
From looking at the websites for Belvoir Castle and Wentworth Woodhouse, estate/castle tours cannot be held due to COVID restrictions. Both of these estates are not held by the National Trust. Belvoir Castle is owned and possibly managed (or could be another company) by the Manners Family (Duke of Rutland's). Wentworth Woodhouse is now owned and managed by Wentworth Woodhouse Preservation Trust. It used to be one of the two seats of Earl Fitzwilliam (Wentworth-Fitzwilliam family). The other seat was Milton Hall.

Most of the events are limited to outdoor activities, in which some people may think it's "dumbing down" or gimmicky

Wikipedia link to Belvoir Castle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belvoir_Castle

Official website of Belvoir Castle: https://www.belvoircastle.com/


Wikipedia link to Wentworth Woodhouse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentworth_Woodhouse

Official website of Wentworth Woodhouse: https://wentworthwoodhouse.org.uk/

In one instagram post by the Belvoir Castle official account, the Duke of Rutland showed the 'family wall’ in the Picture Gallery

https://www.instagram.com/p/B-4NBdRHZlj/

There are other instagram posts that almost resemble a virtual tour of Belvior Castle.
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There are many who are disturbed by what they perceive as the "dumbing down" of the NT. As though a wider range of visitors are incapable of appreciating art, architecture & history without some gimmick thrown in. It's all so condescending.
I think the "dumbing down" is more often the fault of uninformed tour guides.
A few years ago I took a tour of Leeds Castle; some of the other visitors asked some questions about the identity of certain of the busts displayed, and the guide hadn't a clue!

Maybe he was just filling in for a regular guide or something, but I've encountered the same problem at other historic sites.
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Birth of their first child to Marquess and Marchioness of Blandford

George John Godolphin Spencer-Churchill, Marquess of Blandford (son of 12th Duke of Marlborough) and his wife Marchioness of Blandford welcome the birth of their first child, on 10th September. A daughter named, Olympia Arabella Kitty Spencer-Churchill.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFCA4lOgHVE/

Congratulation to the Marquess and Marchioness of Blandford on being parents for the first time!!!

I assumed she would styled as Lady Olympia Arabella Kitty Spencer-Churchill.

Daily Mail has picked up news (in a small section), but it was published before Marquess of Blandford's instagram post with her name revealled.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...se-morale.html
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George John Godolphin Spencer-Churchill, Marquess of Blandford (son of 12th Duke of Marlborough) and his wife Marchioness of Blandford welcome the birth of their first child, on 10th September. A daughter named, Olympia Arabella Kitty Spencer-Churchill.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFCA4lOgHVE/

Congratulation to the Marquess and Marchioness of Blandford on being parents for the first time!!!

I assumed she would styled as Lady Olympia Arabella Kitty Spencer-Churchill.

Daily Mail has picked up news (in a small section), but it was published before Marquess of Blandford's instagram post with her name revealled.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...se-morale.html

Little Lady Olympia is positively adorable. And her parents beaming in pride.

Congratulations to the proud parents and the family
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George John Godolphin Spencer-Churchill, Marquess of Blandford (son of 12th Duke of Marlborough) and his wife Marchioness of Blandford welcome the birth of their first child, on 10th September. A daughter named, Olympia Arabella Kitty Spencer-Churchill.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFCA4lOgHVE/

Congratulation to the Marquess and Marchioness of Blandford on being parents for the first time!!!

I assumed she would styled as Lady Olympia Arabella Kitty Spencer-Churchill.

Daily Mail has picked up news (in a small section), but it was published before Marquess of Blandford's instagram post with her name revealled.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...se-morale.html



Yes she will be styled Lady Olympia Spencer-Churchill. Interesting that she was born on the same day as the daugther of the Duke and Duchess of Huescar but unlike her she will not inherited the Titles of her father and grandfather.
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I was delighted by this wonderful news for the Marquess and Marchiones! Little Lady Olympia really is a beautiful little girl - well, considering how gorgeous this couple are, no surprise! ��
What a beautiful name, too! ♥️

By the way, I'm new here - hoping to take part in some of the chats on this thread about the nobility, and of course on the royal threads too! So I big hi to everyone reading this! ����
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