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Old 03-11-2017, 09:24 AM
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That will be quite the wedding to watch who attends - hopefully we get pictures
Has a date been set?
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Old 03-11-2017, 02:03 PM
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No date, so far. Afaik, it's not even known if they are going to marry this year or next. Nowadays people often take a lot of time to organize their big weddings, bu of course I hope for a big wedding this year.
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Old 03-22-2017, 01:28 PM
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How much money do you think the Duke's sisters inherited?
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:46 PM
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How much money do you think the Duke's sisters inherited?
The Code Napoléon which is the base for most inheritance systems in Europe (all children of a deceased person have the right on a so-called "legal portion") was never established in the UK. There the inheritance rules are completely different from France, Germany, the Benelux, the Scandinavian countries, etc. In the UK it still is possible that the eldest son of a Peer gets the bulk of an estate. Often this is balanced with a regulation to compensate siblings, but not always. Look at Diana: her brother received the whole estate. His sisters probably have inherited something, but it is clear the bulk is with the Earl.

That is why UK aristocrats often still own the historic estates: on the Continent, after each passing away, the estate becomes fragmented over various heirs.

Many Houses, for an example the Bernadottes and the Orange-Nassaus have prevented fragmenration by placing all historic properties, archives, jewels, inventories, artworks, in the ownership of family foundations. As these are no natural persons, these can not die and therefore inheritance rules and succession taxation is not in question there.

Possibly the young Duke of Westminster inherited all but he has to pay an allowance when his sisters leave the parental home.
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Old 03-22-2017, 04:28 PM
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In the UK it still is possible that the eldest son of a Peer gets the bulk of an estate.
Does the new Duke really need $12 billion to look after the estate?
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Old 03-22-2017, 04:36 PM
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He inherited it. Properties in the best areas of London with steady rising prices. 1 million or 12 billion, he was the heir and he was lucky to be the late Duke's son. That is all what we can say.
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Old 03-22-2017, 07:42 PM
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It's not like his sisters were not also taken care financially.
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Old 03-22-2017, 09:49 PM
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He inherited it. Properties in the best areas of London with steady rising prices. 1 million or 12 billion, he was the heir and he was lucky to be the late Duke's son. That is all what we can say.

Not just London; he also inherited properties in Paris and in Spain.
The Grosvenor Group has a wide reach.
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Old 03-22-2017, 11:03 PM
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While the main estate, the homes and title and such were remained in tact and left to Hugh, by no means were his sister's left out.

Duc, there may be no law requiring it, but all three daughters were not left out. It was reported they were left substantial trust funds. They may not be as rich as their brother, but they would definitely be substantially rich in their own right. There was talk about inheritance tax having to be revisited because of them. The way the estate was set up, and the money for his adult daughters being in trusts, means they have to pay very minimal inheritance tax.
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:11 AM
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The Code Napoléon which is the base for most inheritance systems in Europe (all children of a deceased person have the right on a so-called "legal portion") was never established in the UK. There the inheritance rules are completely different from France, Germany, the Benelux, the Scandinavian countries, etc. In the UK it still is possible that the eldest son of a Peer gets the bulk of an estate. Often this is balanced with a regulation to compensate siblings, but not always. Look at Diana: her brother received the whole estate. His sisters probably have inherited something, but it is clear the bulk is with the Earl.



That is why UK aristocrats often still own the historic estates: on the Continent, after each passing away, the estate becomes fragmented over various heirs.



Many Houses, for an example the Bernadottes and the Orange-Nassaus have prevented fragmenration by placing all historic properties, archives, jewels, inventories, artworks, in the ownership of family foundations. As these are no natural persons, these can not die and therefore inheritance rules and succession taxation is not in question there.



Possibly the young Duke of Westminster inherited all but he has to pay an allowance when his sisters leave the parental home.


In Sweden, although the old system of the fideicommis was abolished by law in the 1960s there is a possibility for estates to apply for a dispensation to continue with the old system to keep the most culturally significant estates together. The result is that some of the countries biggest estates & collections are still inherited according to the old laws from the 1700s. The last time it happened, according to my knowledge, is when the royal Galliera inheritance had its terms changed so that it follows the monarch instead of according to the rules of male primogeniture as before.
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:08 AM
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While the main estate, the homes and title and such were remained in tact and left to Hugh, by no means were his sister's left out.

Duc, there may be no law requiring it, but all three daughters were not left out. It was reported they were left substantial trust funds. They may not be as rich as their brother, but they would definitely be substantially rich in their own right. There was talk about inheritance tax having to be revisited because of them. The way the estate was set up, and the money for his adult daughters being in trusts, means they have to pay very minimal inheritance tax.
I am sure that the siblings of all Dukes of Westminster are well-cared for. Like I am sure that the siblings of all Earls Spencer will have a care-free life. But that is not the same as a legal regulation which says that each child is entitled to an equal share, of course.

When the late Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands died, his inheritance was divided by his four legal daughters ánd his two daughters out of wedlock. All of them were legally entitled to 1/6th of the inheritance. No matter the eldest daughter is Queen Beatrix and the extramarital daughter is a lady somewhere in Paris or in the USA, all of them had 1/6th. That is a rigid system. The Anglosaxon systems leave much more room for personal decisions.
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:12 PM
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Ummm.....lady Mary Charteris daughter of James Charteris, 13th Earl of Wemyss!
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:23 PM
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I am sure that the siblings of all Dukes of Westminster are well-cared for. Like I am sure that the siblings of all Earls Spencer will have a care-free life. But that is not the same as a legal regulation which says that each child is entitled to an equal share, of course.

When the late Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands died, his inheritance was divided by his four legal daughters ánd his two daughters out of wedlock. All of them were legally entitled to 1/6th of the inheritance. No matter the eldest daughter is Queen Beatrix and the extramarital daughter is a lady somewhere in Paris or in the USA, all of them had 1/6th. That is a rigid system. The Anglosaxon systems leave much more room for personal decisions.
What you said was He Inherited IT.

No, they inherited it. Not equal shares, but they all inherited their fathers fortune. You make it sound like he inherited it all and his sisters get an allowance as a consolation prize.

I know I. Your ideal world sons inherit everything. I believe you even suggested Spanish daughters who are heirs should not claim their title or estate as they should bow in recognition their brothers are the rightful lords but fortunately many men like the late Duke think all their kids are entitled to a share. Ancestral homes and money remain with the duke, the rest gets shared with all siblings.
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:36 PM
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Good God. She cannot be serious.
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:42 PM
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Good God. She cannot be serious.
lol , i think you should see her wedding pictures .

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Old 03-23-2017, 11:46 PM
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I had forgotten her wedding 'dress'. She should have worn all the jewels in the family vault to add some cover to it! Apparently, she does not care to 'hide her light under a bushel'.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:23 AM
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Well that's a bit tacky isn't it.


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Old 03-24-2017, 06:11 PM
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Only a bit?
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:18 PM
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Given that her bust is so tiny why does she keep trying to draw attention to it. I like the amethyst necklace...
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Scandals have long been as much of a feature of certain aristocratic families as grand titles and vast, crumbling houses.

Yet Frederick Hervey, the 8th Marquess of Bristol, can claim a heritage so calamitous it puts other disreputable lineages firmly in the shade.

His father Victor, a playboy known as The Reptile, was married three times, went to jail for jewel theft, and briefly found employment as an arms dealer.
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