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Old 02-19-2015, 06:53 PM
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In the British nobility, an Earl may have two secondary titles: Viscount _ and Other title.
Here is the scenario:
The Earl's heir is Viscount _. The Viscount's son has the last of the paternal grandfather's secondary titles, the Other title.
What title does his son get if this great-grandson is born when Great-Grandfather is still the Earl?
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Old 02-19-2015, 07:13 PM
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The five levels of the nobility are in descending order:


Duke, Marquis, Earl, Viscount and Baron.


The heir apparent takes the next title as a courtesy title e.g. many Earls have a Viscount title as well so the heir is Viscount.


The heir's heir apparent would be Baron.


That Baron's heir apparent would be 'Honourable'.


And if another generation was born - nothing - until he/she moved up the line.


Daughters are ladies down the line until the also are honourable's when their fathers are on the bottom of the title's list e.g. Diana, while the daughter of Viscount Althorp - was the Honourable Diana Spence because the Earl Spencer only has one other title (Viscount Althorp) but when her father became Earl Spencer and her brother became Viscount Althorp she became Lady Diana Spencer.


However, it must be remembered that the substantive holder of the title is still the Earl and the other titles are a 'courtesy' title only.
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Charles,Earl 9th Spencer will grant a rare interview on Irish TV this Sunday night .

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Old 02-21-2015, 01:04 PM
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The neighbour of three aristocratic daughters claims that being next to their London home is like 'living next door to a nightclub'.
Jackie Elliot, who works in marketing and communications lives next door to Lady Violet Manners, 21, and her sisters Lady Alice, 19, and Lady Eliza, 17, in their £2.6 million house on Bovingdon Road, Fulham.
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I'm not sure, but I think the reason may be because the new Duke of Marlborough used to have road rage and in 2007 was imprisoned for six months. He also appeared in a TV programme where famous people were asked to experience three nights as a homeless person, which he refused to do.
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British Grandmaster of the Knights of Malta on fast-track to sainthood

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Old 03-12-2015, 03:52 PM
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Having children at the age of 54?

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Old 03-12-2015, 10:26 PM
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Old 03-14-2015, 10:44 AM
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In the British nobility, an Earl may have two secondary titles: Viscount _ and Other title.
Here is the scenario:
The Earl's heir is Viscount _. The Viscount's son has the last of the paternal grandfather's secondary titles, the Other title.
What title does his son get if this great-grandson is born when Great-Grandfather is still the Earl?
I think the boy will only be styled "The Honourable" Mr XY"
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Old 03-14-2015, 11:21 AM
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I don't think Earls get 3 titles. It appears it's just Earl and Viscount. The earldoms of Snowdon and Spencer are just Earl and Viscount. You probably have to be a Marquis at least to get 3 titles. A dukedom would definitely have 3 titles.


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I don't think Earls get 3 titles. It appears it's just Earl and Viscount. The earldoms of Snowdon and Spencer are just Earl and Viscount. You probably have to be a Marquis at least to get 3 titles. A dukedom would definitely have 3 titles.


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The Earldom of Spencer is not just an Earl and a Viscount. There is actually a number of titles in there - Charles Spencer is 9th Earl Spencer, 9th Viscount Spencer of Althorp, 9th Viscount Althorp (Great Britain), 4th Viscount Althorp (U.K.), and 9th Baron Spencer of Althorp.

His ancestor, the 1st Earl Spencer, was first created 1st Viscount Spencer of Althorp and 1st Baron Spencer of Althorp in the Peerage of Great Britain on 3 April 1761. Later, on 1 November 1765 he was created 1st Earl Spencer and 1st Viscount Althorp in the Peerage of Great Britain. Go forward a bit, and in 1905 the younger son of the 4th Earl Spencer, the then Hon. Charles Spencer, was created 1st Viscount Althorp in the Peerage of the United Kingdom in order to become Lord Chamberlain of the Household. His elder half-brother, the 5th Earl Spencer, died with no children, so in 1910 the 1st Viscount Althorp inherited his brother's titles, becoming the 6th Earl Spencer.

Most titles seem to be handed out in pairs - so a Viscount is also created an Baron, or an Earl is also created a Viscount, but they also tend to be piled onto titles already existing. If a peer only has 2 titles then it means that the first holder of their title didn't have any additional titles before hand.

Actually, on that note, the Earl of Snowdon holds 3 titles as well - he was created 1st Earl of Snowdon and 1st Viscount Linley in the Peerage of the United Kingdom for his wedding in 1961, and then in 1999 he was offered a life peerage when the House of Lords was being reformed (he was expected to refuse it, like the members of the Royal Family, but shocked everyone by not), and so is now also Baron Armstrong-Jones.
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Old 03-14-2015, 01:28 PM
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From the Wikipedia page of the current Earl Spencer, he was styled as Hon. Charles Spencer until he father became Earl - no use a courtesy title as the Earl's grandson just like Charles Armstrong Jones has no courtesy title as Lord Snowdon's grandson.

But we see the grandsons of the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester using the courtesy Baron title.

So only thing I was trying to point out is if a grandson of a Earl doesn't use a courtesy title than his son isn't going to have one either.




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The Duke and Duchess of Devonshire are set to host yet another contemporary feast in the form of an exhibition at their stately Derbyshire home. Opening today, ‘Make yourself comfortable at Chatsworth’ presents 75 contemporary chairs, from design classics to one-off prototypes, scattered through the home’s many rooms.

Following on from Michael Craig Martin’s installation throughout the park (see W*181), this year’s temporary exhibition presents the house’s majestic rooms in a new light, creating an intriguing visual discourse throughout.
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The above post by marisols contains photos of Lady Laura Cavendish, Countess of Berlington, in amazing jewellery.
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The above post by marisols contains photos of and information about several items of the late Mary, Duchess of Roxuburgh, to be sold at Sotheby's. Mr Bamber Gascoigne is forced to sell the late Duchess' possessions as he is in dire need of funds to restore West Horsley Place
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The above post by marisols contains photos of and information about several items of the late Mary, Duchess of Roxuburgh, to be sold at Sotheby's. Mr Bamber Gascoigne is forced to sell the late Duchess' possessions as he is in dire needs of funds to restore West Horsley Place
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I hope the heir manages to save the house, it looks like a truely wonderful place. It's weird that he didn't know that he was about to inherit it though.
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Goodness, what a remarkable story - oh to have an elderly aunt like that! I also hope they achieve it and restore the place - it's a rare chance old houses like this can be restored.

Maybe Bamber thought that the Duchess would leave it to the National Trust or something?
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The challenge of preserving and repairing such a house must be very very daunting,not sure if I'd take it on!
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