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Amazing! Ancient Roman Sarcophagus discovered on the grounds of Blenheim Castle!!!

Ancient Roman sarcophagus discovered at Blenheim Palace | Daily Mail Online

Sorry ladies, the billionaire Duke of Westminster is no longer the UK's most eligible bachelor - he's got a girlfriend - Mirror Online

"Sorry Ladies, the billionaire Duke Of Westminster is no longer the UK's most eligible batchelor - he's got a girlfriend"

"The friends trip to Paris that led to 9bn romance"

Duke of Westminster and his girlfriend are lifelong pals | Daily Mail Online
 
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TBH it speaks volumes that no-one charged with the care of the MANY antiquities at Blenheim has not recognised it before. Even those with a cursory knowledge of the History of Art would recognise it as Roman.. it simply could not be anything else !
 
wyevale said:
TBH it speaks volumes that no-one charged with the care of the MANY antiquities at Blenheim has not recognised it before. Even those with a cursory knowledge of the History of Art would recognise it as Roman.. it simply could not be anything else !
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Many centuries artist used to make roman style copies. Now it's hard to identify original pieces without an expertize.
 
The Earl of Onslow has slammed the National Trust's plan to rebuild his ancestral home, which burnt down in a fire two years ago.

The National Trust has said it will rebuild Clandon Park house, the 18th-century Palladian-style mansion in Surrey, with plans to create cafés and a giftshop on the site.

Rupert Onslow, the 8th Earl of Onslow, said the trust should be honouring its remit to 'preserve and protect' and questioned whether the organisation should be spending £30 million to rebuild the house from scratch.
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Read more: Earl slams National Trust plan to rebuild ancestral home | Daily Mail Online
 
No date, so far. Afaik, it's not even known if they are going to marry this year or next. Nowadays people often take a lot of time to organize their big weddings, bu of course I hope for a big wedding this year.
 
reinedescoeurs said:
How much money do you think the Duke's sisters inherited?
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The Code Napoléon which is the base for most inheritance systems in Europe (all children of a deceased person have the right on a so-called "legal portion") was never established in the UK. There the inheritance rules are completely different from France, Germany, the Benelux, the Scandinavian countries, etc. In the UK it still is possible that the eldest son of a Peer gets the bulk of an estate. Often this is balanced with a regulation to compensate siblings, but not always. Look at Diana: her brother received the whole estate. His sisters probably have inherited something, but it is clear the bulk is with the Earl.

That is why UK aristocrats often still own the historic estates: on the Continent, after each passing away, the estate becomes fragmented over various heirs.

Many Houses, for an example the Bernadottes and the Orange-Nassaus have prevented fragmenration by placing all historic properties, archives, jewels, inventories, artworks, in the ownership of family foundations. As these are no natural persons, these can not die and therefore inheritance rules and succession taxation is not in question there.

Possibly the young Duke of Westminster inherited all but he has to pay an allowance when his sisters leave the parental home.
 
He inherited it. Properties in the best areas of London with steady rising prices. 1 million or 12 billion, he was the heir and he was lucky to be the late Duke's son. That is all what we can say.
 
It's not like his sisters were not also taken care financially.
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
He inherited it. Properties in the best areas of London with steady rising prices. 1 million or 12 billion, he was the heir and he was lucky to be the late Duke's son. That is all what we can say.
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Not just London; he also inherited properties in Paris and in Spain.
The Grosvenor Group has a wide reach.
 
While the main estate, the homes and title and such were remained in tact and left to Hugh, by no means were his sister's left out.

Duc, there may be no law requiring it, but all three daughters were not left out. It was reported they were left substantial trust funds. They may not be as rich as their brother, but they would definitely be substantially rich in their own right. There was talk about inheritance tax having to be revisited because of them. The way the estate was set up, and the money for his adult daughters being in trusts, means they have to pay very minimal inheritance tax.
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
The Code Napoléon which is the base for most inheritance systems in Europe (all children of a deceased person have the right on a so-called "legal portion") was never established in the UK. There the inheritance rules are completely different from France, Germany, the Benelux, the Scandinavian countries, etc. In the UK it still is possible that the eldest son of a Peer gets the bulk of an estate. Often this is balanced with a regulation to compensate siblings, but not always. Look at Diana: her brother received the whole estate. His sisters probably have inherited something, but it is clear the bulk is with the Earl.



That is why UK aristocrats often still own the historic estates: on the Continent, after each passing away, the estate becomes fragmented over various heirs.



Many Houses, for an example the Bernadottes and the Orange-Nassaus have prevented fragmenration by placing all historic properties, archives, jewels, inventories, artworks, in the ownership of family foundations. As these are no natural persons, these can not die and therefore inheritance rules and succession taxation is not in question there.



Possibly the young Duke of Westminster inherited all but he has to pay an allowance when his sisters leave the parental home.
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In Sweden, although the old system of the fideicommis was abolished by law in the 1960s there is a possibility for estates to apply for a dispensation to continue with the old system to keep the most culturally significant estates together. The result is that some of the countries biggest estates & collections are still inherited according to the old laws from the 1700s. The last time it happened, according to my knowledge, is when the royal Galliera inheritance had its terms changed so that it follows the monarch instead of according to the rules of male primogeniture as before.
 
Countessmeout said:
While the main estate, the homes and title and such were remained in tact and left to Hugh, by no means were his sister's left out.

Duc, there may be no law requiring it, but all three daughters were not left out. It was reported they were left substantial trust funds. They may not be as rich as their brother, but they would definitely be substantially rich in their own right. There was talk about inheritance tax having to be revisited because of them. The way the estate was set up, and the money for his adult daughters being in trusts, means they have to pay very minimal inheritance tax.
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I am sure that the siblings of all Dukes of Westminster are well-cared for. Like I am sure that the siblings of all Earls Spencer will have a care-free life. But that is not the same as a legal regulation which says that each child is entitled to an equal share, of course.

When the late Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands died, his inheritance was divided by his four legal daughters ánd his two daughters out of wedlock. All of them were legally entitled to 1/6th of the inheritance. No matter the eldest daughter is Queen Beatrix and the extramarital daughter is a lady somewhere in Paris or in the USA, all of them had 1/6th. That is a rigid system. The Anglosaxon systems leave much more room for personal decisions.
 
Duc_et_Pair said:
I am sure that the siblings of all Dukes of Westminster are well-cared for. Like I am sure that the siblings of all Earls Spencer will have a care-free life. But that is not the same as a legal regulation which says that each child is entitled to an equal share, of course.

When the late Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands died, his inheritance was divided by his four legal daughters ánd his two daughters out of wedlock. All of them were legally entitled to 1/6th of the inheritance. No matter the eldest daughter is Queen Beatrix and the extramarital daughter is a lady somewhere in Paris or in the USA, all of them had 1/6th. That is a rigid system. The Anglosaxon systems leave much more room for personal decisions.
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What you said was He Inherited IT.

No, they inherited it. Not equal shares, but they all inherited their fathers fortune. You make it sound like he inherited it all and his sisters get an allowance as a consolation prize.

I know I. Your ideal world sons inherit everything. I believe you even suggested Spanish daughters who are heirs should not claim their title or estate as they should bow in recognition their brothers are the rightful lords :lol: but fortunately many men like the late Duke think all their kids are entitled to a share. Ancestral homes and money remain with the duke, the rest gets shared with all siblings.
 
 
I had forgotten her wedding 'dress'. She should have worn all the jewels in the family vault to add some cover to it! Apparently, she does not care to 'hide her light under a bushel'.
 
Well that's a bit tacky isn't it.


LaRae
 
Given that her bust is so tiny why does she keep trying to draw attention to it. I like the amethyst necklace...
 
Scandals have long been as much of a feature of certain aristocratic families as grand titles and vast, crumbling houses.

Yet Frederick Hervey, the 8th Marquess of Bristol, can claim a heritage so calamitous it puts other disreputable lineages firmly in the shade.

His father Victor, a playboy known as The Reptile, was married three times, went to jail for jewel theft, and briefly found employment as an arms dealer.
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Read more: How millionaire is rebuilding his family's fortune | Daily Mail Online
 
"A spectacular dining set given to the Duke of Wellington to celebrate his victory over Napoleon is to go on on display for the first time as it would have been used, laid out in full 200 years on. For the first time visitors to Apsley House, Wellington's London home, will be able to see part of the collection of 400 gilded pieces set out on the dining room table in the Waterloo Gallery."

Duke of Wellington's 400-piece gilt dinner set laid out for first time


"When Lady Charlotte Wellesley married billionaire financier Alejandro Santo Domingo last year in front of royals and celebrities, no expense was spared.
The newlyweds were also not shy when it came to splashing out £20million acquiring four Notting Hill flats as they made plans for London love-nest.
But it seems there are some things money can't buy after a planning application to turn the four properties into a single 10-bed luxury home was rejected."

Lord Brabourne returns to his mansion after affair | Daily Mail Online

"Philandering peer is allowed back home:Queen's friend Lord Brabourne returns to his 60-room mansion after being banished to a stable block when his wife discovered his affair"

"A tale of two siblings from a distinguished family with vastly contrasting fortunes.
Lord Charles Spencer-Churchill — the 10th Duke of Marlborough’s younger son, who died in December, aged 76 — left just £37,000 in his will, I can reveal.
His small estate is in striking contrast to that left by his older brother, the 11th Duke of Marlborough, who left £29.1 million in 2014.
That bequest went mostly to his son and heir Jamie Blandford, now the 12th Duke, and did not even include Blenheim Palace or assets held in trust."

AN aristocrat’s daughter will not inherit his £60million estate or title because of an historic law that discriminates against women.

Aristocrat's daughter loses £60million inheritance due to historic law | UK | News | Express.co.uk
 
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The stable block must be the upper crust's version of the dog house. :D

Perhaps they've patched things up and have come to amicable terms as far as being in residence together.
 
Broadlands is certainly large enough for both of them even if things are no longer amicable ;)
 
While the rest of us are lucky to nab a card with €50 in it from our godparents, it is certain Prince George is not set for the same fate as his godfather has been named the youngest billionaire in the UK in the Sunday Times Rich List.

Hugh Grosvenor - the Duke of Westminster - has been named the UK's youngest billionaire on the annual list, which was released on Sunday.
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Read more: Prince George's godfather - the Duke of Westminster - named the UK's youngest billionaire and most eligible bachelor - Independent.ie
 
eya said:
AN aristocrat’s daughter will not inherit his £60million estate or title because of an historic law that discriminates against women.

Aristocrat's daughter loses £60million inheritance due to historic law | UK | News | Express.co.uk
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The story is not complete. When gender discrimination is lifted, then there is still discrimination between children. The late Lord had eight daughters. In his option his eldest daughter should have received all. And what about his seven other girls then?

The continental system, based on the Code Napoléon, guarantees that every child has the right on an equal share of their parents' inheritance.

However a fair system, at the same time this is the explanation why in the UK peers often still enjoy an ancestral estate while in continental Europe often the original estate is sold off: giving each child an equal portion is fragmenting it all.

The article in Express is too superficial and one-sided. There are advantages to the British system (historic estates are continued) but also disadvantages (discrimination between heirs). Express should have highlighted this to give a two-sided view.
 
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