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Old 06-20-2012, 11:13 AM
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British Duchess Recovers Lost Tiara After 6 Years
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The Duchess of Argyll's $157,000 stash of heirloom jewelry, reportedly lost at the Glasgow Airport six years ago, has finally been finally recovered. Among the goods lost was a Victorian era tiara and a Cartier broach (we'd kill to see that in an episode of "Storage Wars"). Luckily, her keen eye spotted the missing goods... in a Scottish auction catalogue before they were sold to somebody else.
U.K. Airport Sells Off Duchess' Lost Diamond Tiara, Returns Jewelery Six Years Later

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The perils of traveling often begin with lost luggage, and it seems even British nobility can't escape that woe.
It all began six years ago when the Dowager Duchess of Argyll lost a bag full of precious jewelry at Scotland's Glasgow Airport after returning from London to Inveraray Castle, Clan Campbell's ancestral home, reports the Independent.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:29 PM
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Alexander "Alistair" Vane-Tempest-Stewart, the 9th Marquess of Londonderry, died today 20 June 2012, aged 74.

He was born on 7 September 1937, the only son (after two daughters) of the then Viscount and Viscountess Castlereagh; his father succeeded in 1949 as the 8th Marquess of Londonderry.
In 1955, Alexander, nicknamed Alistair, became the 9th Marquess, at the death of his father.
He married firstly in 1958 to Nicolette Harrison (1941-1993); they had together two daughters, Lady Sophia and Lady Cosima. Nicolette gave birth also to a son, Tristan, but it was later discovered that he wasn't fathered by the Marquess and instead was the son of singer Georgie Fame. In 1971 Alistair and Nicolette divorced.
The following year he married secondly to dancer Doreen Wells, and they became parents of two sons, Frederick (who succeeds his father as 10th Marquess of Londonderry) and Lord Reginald. Also this marriage ended in divorce in 1989.
He is survived by his four children, their families and his two sisters (Jane, Baroness Rayne, and Lady Annabel Goldsmith).

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Old 06-23-2012, 08:00 AM
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Cute story in Richard Kay's column about the wedding of Viscount Somerton and Lady Lucy Alexander. It seems they first met at another wedding where she was bridesmaid (age six) and he was pageboy (age eight).
They used the photo from that first wedding for theirs.

What a pretty bride she makes!

Lady Lucy's 21-year engagement
Childhood friends: Newlyweds Lucy and James

People often meet their future spouses at weddings, but in Lady Lucy Alexander’s case the delay before her big day was rather longer than usual.

For Lucy — delightful daughter of Earl and Countess Alexander of Tunis — and Viscount Somerton, heir of the Earl of Normanton, were six and eight respectively when they met at a wedding where they were bridesmaid and pageboy.

Twenty-one years later there were memories of that day when Lucy and fiancé James married at the Normanton family seat, Somerley in Hampshire.

On the back of the order of service was a photo of the two on the occasion they first met. The couple, who were engaged last year, had been dating for two-and-a-half years.

More than 250 family and friends were at the house — used for a TV adaptation of Mansfield Park — for Saturday’s wedding.

Says Lucy’s mother, Davina Alexander: ‘It was a lovely day. Using that photograph taken all those years ago was really sweet.’


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Old 06-23-2012, 12:05 PM
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Peerage: There was a title "Lady of Rothes" which came down from the 12th century.
How it started was this: Peter de Pollock was a very large landowner in Scotland and built the Castle of Rothes at the behest of King William the Lion, in Rothes (far north of Scotland) probably to be a way stop or inspecting station for returning crusaders. Peter had no son, but his daughter Muriel (sometimes spelled Mauricle, by mistake) inherited the castle. Muriel had no son, but her daughter Eva, married to a knight called Watson, inherited the castle and the title Lady of Rothes. Eva had no son, but her daughter (no name found) married Sir Norman de Leslyn, founder of the Leslie family. The title came down to the present, and a woman could claim it if no male heir was found. The last holder was Lady Georgina Maxwell, but I think that these peerages were all cancelled late in the 20th century.
I am a descendant of Peter de Pollock's brother, Robert de Pollock, whose family seat was in Renfrewshire, and who was a follower of Walter Fitzallen, the first of the "Stuarts" to live full time in Scotland. The Stuarts and their followers came there from England after the dustup over the English succession between Matilda and Steven, as heirs of William the Conqueror. They came at the behest of David I of Scotland, and helped set up the feudal system organized by David I's mother, Queen Margaret. I found all this material while trying to find the history of my Pollock family.
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Old 06-25-2012, 01:54 PM
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Marquess of Bath's nephew walks free from court after 26 cannabis plants, ecstasy and magic mushrooms were found at his home within the Longleat estate
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The nephew of aristocrat Lord Bath has avoided jail after he admitted stashing 26 cannabis plants, ecstasy and magic mushrooms at his cottage within the Longleat estate. Police found the huge drug haul when they raided the Wiltshire cottage of Alexander Thynne - whose uncle owns the multimillion-pound Longleat stately home and grounds. The 50-year-old avoided prison despite having been caught with more than 40 cannabis plants worth £3,000 in his loft in 2003.
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That is an outrageous verdict, requiring no expansion on my part.
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Does anyone have more informations about this Alexander Thynne? I have tried to find him in a genealogy of Thynne family, but it seems that no Alexander nephew of the current Marquess exists.
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:41 PM
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Does anyone have more informations about this Alexander Thynne? I have tried to find him in a genealogy of Thynne family, but it seems that no Alexander nephew of the current Marquess exists.
No idea. Alexander Thynne is supposed to be the son of the Marquess's younger brother, Lord Christopher John Thynne. However, to the best of my knowledge, Lord Christopher and Lady Antonia only have one child - Sophia Emma Thynne. Alexander might be an illegitimate son (this is speculation on my part).
I went back and checked all the descendants of the third Marquis of Bath - and no Alexander Thynne among them (of the corresponding age).
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Old 06-25-2012, 07:46 PM
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There was also another younger brother, Lord Valentine Thynne (1937-1979), who was married form 1961 to 1971 to Veronica Ann Jacks with whom he had a daughter in 1962 and a son in 1965; but if Alexander were their son, I wonder why he isn't listed.

Yes, maybe Alexander is indeed an illegitimate son; but who are his parents?
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Yes, maybe Alexander is indeed an illegitimate son; but who are his parents?
The Daily Mail says his father is Lord Christopher, so (assuming that information is accurate) Alexander could be his child with someone other than Lady Antonia. Lord Christopher was born in 1934 and got married in 1968. Alexander Thynne is 50 years old, meaning he was born in 1962, when Lord Christopher was 28 years old (and before his marriage to Lady Antonia).

I have to say though that if Alexander Thynne is indeed the son of Lord Christopher, it is somewhat surprising he was allowed to live on Marquis's estate, given the less than warm relationship between the brothers.
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The Longleat clan have a well earned reputation for "eccentricities", but I don't think his sentence is very unusual for someone who has admitted his problems, is attempting to get clean and who is employed full time. He was not accused of trafficing which would have resulted in a harsher sentence.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:48 AM
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Lord Christopher was born in 1934 and got married in 1968. Alexander Thynne is 50 years old, meaning he was born in 1962, when Lord Christopher was 18 years old (and before his marriage to Lady Antonia).
Lord Christopher would have been 28 years old in 1962, not 18 years old. But then again, 18-year-olds can become fathers too.
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The Longleat clan have a well earned reputation for "eccentricities", but I don't think his sentence is very unusual for someone who has admitted his problems, is attempting to get clean and who is employed full time. He was not accused of trafficing which would have resulted in a harsher sentence.
With that much stuff at his place, he's a lucky man to have gotten off the charge. How would someone who is "attempting" to get/stay clean be able to live around his devil? He's either using non-stop or dealing. Were the plants confiscated?
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Lord Christopher would have been 28 years old in 1962, not 18 years old. But then again, 18-year-olds can become fathers too.
That was a typo, thanks for noticing it!
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I was hoping to start a conversation in this thread about the pros and cons of moving from male primogeniture to absolute primogeniture within the English nobility. I can see the rationale for keeping the bulk of the estate intact along with the title by passing it to one child, otherwise the family history and estates will peter away to nothing by being constantly split, generation after generation between many children.

Many monarchies have now moved to absolute primogeniture, and it is likely (or certain?) that whatever the sex of Kate & William's first child, that child will one day be monarch (barring unfortunate circumstances). But it seems easier to change the primogeniture form for the throne, than for all the separate titles. I think this may require a separate act of parliament for each title, no? Not sure on the legal specifics here.

I think everyone rational and non-misogynistic now accepts that women are as equally capable as men, and just as able to be intelligent. I myself am I feminist and can imagine being quite offended if I was the position of a being a first born and a daughter of the Duke of X, and being essentially told you are unworthy to inherit the estate simply because you are a woman and your younger brother will be hitting the jackpot just because he is male.

One notable issue could be the importance of the family name and the fact that tradition dictates that women change their name when they marry. For example, the Dukes of Devonshire's family name is Cavendish and it is very much part of their identity. This issue could circumvented in absolute primogeniture by including some sort of caveat in the amended title that the bearer must carry the surname of X or just having a new family tradition that the title bearer should carry surname X.

There is quite a large article which discusses the background of primogeniture over at wiki.

What are everyone's thoughts on the concept and the actual mechanics of changing it? I would love hear everyone's varying thoughts, even if they don't necessarily agree.
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I hate to see titles die out due to lack of a male heir. It is highly unlikely that any future heriditary titles will be created outside of the royal family. So rather than see the titles die I would prefer that it could be inherited by a daughter. Certainly there is no reason to believe that a woman is less able or worthy than a man.
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I think that the most outrageous example of the inequity of the situation is Princess Beatice. She is able to inherit the throne but not her father's title of York simply because she is the wrong gender.
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Yeah, that is a bit weird.
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Old 07-02-2012, 11:08 AM
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What benefit to society is there for hereditary peerages to continue if the male line becomes extinct. I cannot see any imperative to re-create all of their patents in order to continue with the peerage.
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