The Battenberg - Mountbattens

[Warren]

PDV says her grandfather was the maternal uncle of HRH The Duke of Edinburgh (from the Peerage website we learn that her father is George Ivar Louis Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven, so PDV is wrong here because actually her grandfather would have been Prince Philip's first cousin)

Here's one way of showing the relationship:

Prince Louis of Battenberg, Marquess of Milford Haven > George > David > George, 4th Marquess > Lady Tatiana
Prince Louis of Battenberg, Marquess of Milford Haven > Alice > Philip of Greece, Duke of Edinburgh

 

[CasiraghiTrio]

Here's one way of showing the relationship:

Prince Louis of Battenberg, Marquess of Milford Haven > George > David > George, 4th Marquess > Lady Tatiana
Prince Louis of Battenberg, Marquess of Milford Haven > Alice > Philip of Greece, Duke of Edinburgh

Exactly. What is the other way of showing the relationship?

Tatiana's grandfather, David (3rd Marquess) would be Philip's first cousin. I can't see any other relationship.
............ Unless PDV meant her great-grandfather (2nd Marquess) who was Philip's maternal uncle....... I might have mistranslated great-grandfather as grandfather but I will have to look at it again to know for sure.

 

[Warren]

Exactly. What is the other way of showing the relationship?

In a family tree format I can't reproduce here.

I might have mistranslated great-grandfather as grandfather but I will have to look at it again to know for sure.

It doesn't matter about PdV. It has served its purpose in raising the Battenberg/Mountbatten topic once again.

 

[CasiraghiTrio]

^ The Mountbatten/Battenberg topic is a good one to raise from time to time.

Morgaine, in post 6, attached this fascinating picture from 1894. Can we have a full ID on the photo please? I can ID Nicky and Alix, but not the others with any sense of certainty.

 

[selrahc4]

What's more important now is that Prince Phillip and King Carl XVI Gustav are third cousins. Prince Phillip descends from The Princess Alice, the second daughter of QV, while the Swedish King from The Prince Leopold the Duke of Albany, the youngest son of QV.

They are also 3rd cousins through another of Queen Victoria's sons, Prince Arthur the Duke of Connaught whose daughter married King Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden.

 

[Lady Marmalade]

^ The Mountbatten/Battenberg topic is a good one to raise from time to time.

Morgaine, in post 6, attached this fascinating picture from 1894. Can we have a full ID on the photo please? I can ID Nicky and Alix, but not the others with any sense of certainty.

Starting at the top, left to right... Czar Nicholas, Czarina Alexandra, Princess Alice (later the 1st Marchioness of Milford Haven), Grand Duke Ernie (her brother).

Second Row: Princess Irene, the famous and illustrious beauty, Princess Ella (Grand Duchess Serge of Russia), not sure who the lady is on her right, and then Grand Duke Serge of Russia. He was murdered in the early 1900's.

If I have the two women on either side of Ella wrong..please correct me!

 

[selrahc4]

Princess Alice (later the 1st Marchioness of Milford Haven

Princess Victoria was 1st Marchioness of Milford Haven.

not sure who the lady is on her right

Victoria Melita, wife of the Grand Duke (Ernie)

 

[Lady Marmalade]

Thank you.. I meant Victoria. And thank you...I could not for the life of me, remember his wife's name..

 

[CasiraghiTrio]

^ Thanks, Lady M!

Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich, brother of Nicky, was Governor-General of Moscow and was assasinated in February 1905 by a Social Revolutionary (that is, a member of the SR party). As he rode through the Kremlin gates, a SR threw a nitroglycerine bomb at him, and it landed in his lap!

Was royal house was Princess Ella, his wife, from? In Russia she was known as the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna and was apparently very popular in Russia. She was widely loved and admired for her gentle nature. She was one of the first on the scene and was so traumatized by the scene of her husband's body,literally blown to bits, with his shattered flesh scattered in the street. She retired from public life and founded a convent.

Source: W. Bruce Lincoln's book, The Romanovs: Autocrats of All the Russias, pg. 651

 

[Warren]

Was royal house was Princess Ella, his wife, from? In Russia she was known as the Grand Duchess Elizaveta Feodorovna and was apparently very popular in Russia.

She is another Hesse-Darmstadt. Grand Duke Ludwig IV and Princess Alice (of GB) had, among others:

• Ernst Ludwig, Grand Duke of Hesse and bei Rhine (who married Victoria Melita of Edinburgh);
• Victoria, Princess of Battenberg and Marchioness of Milford Haven;
• Elisabeth (Ella), married Grand Duke Serge of Russia;
• Irene, Princess Henry of Prussia;
• Alix, Czarina of Russia

 

[CasiraghiTrio]

^ Thank you so much for the quick answers. I did think she must be from a Hesse house. So this makes her an aunt, or great-aunt to Lord (Louis) Mountbatten. ??

 

[Warren]

Here's the Hesse-Darmstadt descent:

Grand Duke Ludwig II > Alexander > Louis of Battenberg > Louis, Earl Mountbatten of Burma
and
Grand Duke Ludwig II > Karl > Ludwig IV > Victoria > Louis, Earl Mountbatten of Burma

Lord Mountbatten's Aunt Ella:
Grand Duke Ludwig II > Karl > Ludwig IV > Elisabeth, Grand Duchess Serge

 

[sinulord]

^ Thank you so much for the quick answers. I did think she must be from a Hesse house. So this makes her an aunt, or great-aunt to Lord (Louis) Mountbatten. ??

GD Ella would be Lord Louis' aunt, since his mother Princess Victoria of Hesse (later Marchioness of Milford-Haven) and GD Ella were sisters.

They are also 3rd cousins through another of Queen Victoria's sons, Prince Arthur the Duke of Connaught whose daughter married King Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden.

Thanks for that. Forgot about the Duke of Connaught.

 

[zembla]

Tatiana Mountbatten will be on The Hills (MTV)...you can see a bit of her in the preview...

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[Marengo]

I think I only see American girls and a french guy who is hitting on them, no British accent spotted yet, so who is Tatiana?

The Telegraph has an interview with Countess Mountbatten of Burma:

Countess Mountbatten: 'I cried every morning for six months'


Last Updated: 12:02am GMT 20/02/2008



Few people have known such appalling family tragedy as Countess Mountbatten. She tells Elizabeth Grice how she used the experience to help others
On the calm, fine Bank Holiday Monday morning of August 27, 1979, the Mountbattens' old green fishing boat, Shadow V, was making its last lobster-pot excursion of the summer holidays.

As it puttered into Donegal Bay with three generations of the family and a local boy on board, 50lb of gelignite concealed under its floorboards was detonated from the shore by the IRA.
The wooden boat was blown into the air and came down as splinters. Two adults died, two young boys were killed and three other people were left fighting for their lives.
"My own memory," says Patricia, Countess Mountbatten of Burma, "is of a vision of a ball exploding upwards and then of 'coming to' in the sea and wondering if I would be able to reach the surface before I passed out.
I have very vague memories, now and again, of floating among the wood and debris, being pulled into a small rubber dinghy before totally losing consciousness for days." In her lucid intervals, unable to open her eyes, or speak, or even weep, she began to realise that a monstrous swathe had been cut through her family.

Read the entire article here.

 

[Lady Marmalade]

Tatiana Mountbatten will be on The Hills (MTV)...you can see a bit of her in the preview...

The Hills (Season 3): Preview | Video | The Hills (Season 3) | Preview | MTV

Wow.. I find it said that an aristocrat would lower herself to be on such trashy tv show filled with little whores and little druggies, who think they are so high society. Maybe she can show them who the REAL DEAL is. If she were my daughter, I would not let her be present in the company of such trash.

 

[zembla]

Tatiana has been out there a lot more lately...I didn't even recognize her until I saw her last name Mountbatten in a recent editorial she did for Tatler. This Crillon Ball put her on the map and obviously scored her a spot on The Hills since they have 2 shows focusing on the Ball...

That show is really big with girls in her age group.

 

[CasiraghiTrio]

I like the idea of Tatiana being open to something rather than looking down on it. It's a mark of good character when you refrain from categorizing anyone as trash, even if you believe it to be true. Talking trash about anyone, no matter if that are commonly so categorized, is simply not classy.

 

[zembla]

Tatiana was featured a little last night...they showed her photoshoot with LC helping out and stuff like that.

 

[Lady Marmalade]

I would recall her back to England immediately and not her get mixed up with a bunch of nouveau riche little brats whose lives are spilled across US and People and In Touch magazine that we have to look at in the supermarket.

 

[CasiraghiTrio]

The Knatchbull-Brabourne family are related to Jane Austen. Jane's niece, Fanny Knight, married Sir Edward Knatchbull, and their eldest son, Edward Hugessen Knatchbull, became the 1st Baron Brabourne in 1880. The Baron inherited from his mother the letters Jane wrote to her sister Cassandra. It has been noted often that Jane was extremely close to Fanny, Lady Knatchbull, who is considered to have been Jane's favorite niece/nephew, probably almost like her own daughter. In fact, Fanny's romance with Sir Edward was somewhat inspirational for the novel Persuasion. Apparently, Fanny had some doubts on whether to accept Sir Edward's proposal, supposedly because of financial trouble, though they were supposedly deeply in love, and Fanny sought aunt Jane's advice. The novel is completely fictional, though. It has long been my favorite of Austen's books, Emma being #2 and S & S being #3 favorites for me.

 

[cmkrcwi]

FWIW, India Hicks is the host of the reality competition program Top Design which is a sort of Project Runway for interior designers.

I understand that lord Mountbatten was son of princess Victoria, grandchild of queen Victoria. His father Lord Louis Mountbatten,ex prince Louis, was born in Germany, but when he had 14, he entered to British navy. In the first world war, people British dont want that he was as Chief of the navy because he was born as german. But, this prince was more british that german as his son Dickie said one time. Lord Mountbatten is uncle of prince Philip and the same queen, because they are grand- grandchildren of queen Victoria. And I understand that George, lord Milford Haven, his brother, had a great collection of pornography and when he dead, this collection, that is very expensive, is now in a museum, but I dont know in which.

Speaking of Lord Milford Haven, his wife Nada featured in one of the great society scandals of the 1930's. She was born Countess Nadeja de Torby the daughter of Grand Duke Michael Mikhailovich and Countess Sophie von Merenberg who was a granddaughter of the Russian poet Pushkin who was of African descent. Because the marriage was morganatic and the Emperor did not approve, they were forced to leave Russia and live abroad.

Anyway to get back to the 1930's society scandal, I assume we've all heard of Gloria Vanderbilt. Her mother Gloria Morgan married Reggie Vanderbilt who was an heir to the Vanderbilt railroad fortune. Vanderbilt died soon after the birth of his daughter Gloria and in his will he made his widow the administrator of a $2.5 million trust fund he left for "Little Gloria". She spent the next six years in Paris basically living the good life with wealthy friends at chic resorts.

The Vanderbilt family, disturbed by stories they were receiving about her behavior from private detectives they had hired as well as from family servants, sued to get custody of Little Gloria on the grounds that her mother was an unfit parent. One of the reasons given was the allegation that she and Nada Milford Haven (as she was by then) had had a lesbian affair. Nada was well-known to be gay although she never confirmed nor denied any involvement with Gloria. Gloria was also rumored to have had an affair with Prince Gottfried von Hohenlohe who was married to Princess Margarita of Greece and Denmark. She was the daughter of Princess Alice of Battenberg and her husband Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark and thus a niece by marriage of Nada.

By the way, Gloria's twin sister Thelma was the mistress of the-then Prince of Wales during this time.

 

[Avicenna]

January 10/11 2008 the German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung had a huge article on the princes of Battenberg. Unfortunatly it is not freely available on the net (payment only), so I thought I give you a bit of a summary ...

The castle of Battenberg upon the river Eder was build in the 12th century ... it was hardly finished when the line of the count became extinct as the the last Battenberg died in 1314. The county belonged henceforth to the archbishop of Mainz. In the 15 th century the archbishops lost it to the Landgraves of Hessen, Darmstädter Line. The next few centuries were shaped by utter eventlessness, which ended only by the destruction of the castle. Beneath the ruins the landgraves would build a hunting lodge. It became thrilling again, when love entered the agenda during 19th century ...

Prince Alexander of Hessen fell in love to a court lady of his sister, her name: Julia von Hauke. Once the tsar had taken her to his court after the death of her father, a highly decorated general. Neither the tsar nor the brother of Alexander approved the marriage, but the groom turned out to be tenacious and married the lady in Breslau 1951. In order to elevate her a bit the grand duke of Hessen gave her a titel which was connected with no tenure whats-o-ever: Julia became first the countess, later the Princess of Battenberg and thereby foremother of all Mountbattens.

BTW there is a so called Heimatmuseum (museum of local history) in Battenberg which exhibits also a Mountbatten part. A certain Forstoberamtsrat Röbert is head of it.

Julia and Alexander had five children and a small palace in Seeheim, on the verge of the forest Odenwald. The four sons used their military skills. The eldest Ludwig Alexander von Battenberg became highest ranking admiral of the British fleet prior to WW1. But because of the hatred of Germans, he handed in his resignation and changed his name on July 1, 1917 into Mountbatten. BTW he visited the city of Battenberg on May 2, 1959. A surprise visit.

 

[Emeralds and Opals]

Planners call time on Marquess of Milford Haven's polo centre - Telegraph

 

[Emeralds and Opals]

Earl Mountbatten's grandson finally tells his story of survival and loss - Telegraph

"(Timothy Knatchbull)."

 

[Mermaid1962]

This could be a very, very interesting read. Thank you for the link, E and O.

Earl Mountbatten's grandson finally tells his story of survival and loss - Telegraph

"(Timothy Knatchbull)."

 

[Emeralds and Opals]

Allegra and Ashley Hicks to go their separate ways after 19 years of marriage - Telegraph


"Ashley Hicks is a grandson of the late Earl Mountbatten of Burma."

 

[lac2003]

Princes Leopold and Maurice of Battenberg/Mountbatten

I'm a biology teacher who does a unit on genetic disorders, and being a bit of a royalty geek, I spend a few days on the Hemophilia inheritance in Queen Victoria's descendents.
I'm interested in any information out there about Princess Beatrice's (QV's youngest daughter) two sons who had hemophilia. Prince Leopold of Battenberg died in 1914 of wounds suffered in WWI, and Prince Maurice died after the war due to complications from surgery, but that's pretty much all I know. The more that I know about the hemophilia sufferers, the more poignant, and I hope, more interesting the "story" becomes.

 

[Alberto2244]

Nicholas Knatchbull caught on video smoking crack cocaine

Prince Charles' godson Nicholas Knatchbull caught on video smoking crack cocaine - mirror.co.uk

 

[Dierna23]

Oh no, poor Nicky. Not again drugs. He has to fight against his drug addiction for years now. I hope he will turn the right way soon. Its really sad news but no surprise to me as he lives a very different live as his parents and sister do. He's a House-DJ btw.