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Old 04-28-2021, 03:49 PM
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There are several reasons - and I am going to be rather blunt here.

1. She was the other woman in the relationship. People were more eager to forgive Diana for committing adultery with anyone in general, than Charles committing adultery with Camilla.
2. This feeds into number 2. People would like her more if she was more attractive and younger. Unfortunately yes. People are fickle and yes stake more on attractiveness then they care to admit.
3. She is made out to be work shy, and in many area that reads as lazy. Okay now there was a time when Camilla did more or about the same as William and Harry and they were given the benefit of the doubt, learning the role and everything.
4. People don't see her as relatable. There has been two and a current PR campaign to show the down to earth nature of the Duchess - and it simply doesn't work. I have been told by a journalist that it is her accent that is the problem and in general her body language. Her clothing choices ect.

Personally I just think the British don't see her as good enough for Charles, especially when viewed against Diana. If Camilla had been his first wife, we might be having the conversation as well.
Claire,
I really enjoy your very knowledgeable posts. Could you explain what it is about her accent that helps to make her unpopular? I am an American so I don't really distinguish well between different types of British accents like I do different American accents.
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Old 04-28-2021, 04:33 PM
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Thanks. This was interesting to read.

I figured the affair and looks factored in. Charles never seems to have really been forgiven either. It was over a quarter of a century ago, though I imagine The Crown hasn’t helped much; I think Philip got roasted a bit on that show too. (Maybe if Diana had lived long enough to really start a new life of her own, things would be different now in terms of perception.)

I didn’t know she is considered workshy. What she does- she seems to do well. I’m honestly impressed she was willing to take on the job at all given her age and all the hideous press she’s endured.

Hmmm- not being relatable is interesting. I wouldn’t know anything about her accent though. Her clothes seem to suit her IMO. Not sure on the body language. She’s come across as fairly down to earth to me....but I’m not British.

It never occurred to me that the public might think she’s not good enough for Charles. Interesting.

I don’t buy - sorry, Claire - most of those reasons why the public hates Camilla. It comes down to Diana, always has, always will. Anyone that gives her half a chance seems to really like her, but there are many who refuse to acknowledge that there’s anything good about her.
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Old 04-28-2021, 04:45 PM
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I wouldn't have said that Diana's accent was less than "posh" either. Truth is that Diana was pretty and Camila isn't..
Camilla Shand was pretty as well, but she was just way older than Diana so any comparison is a disadvantage: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016...8300411904.jpg

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Old 04-28-2021, 04:53 PM
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Camilla Shand was pretty as well, but she was just way older than Diana so any comparison is a disadvantage: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016...8300411904.jpg

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True. That is a lovely photo of a young Camilla. I suppose it doesn’t help now that, not only was Camilla older than Diana, but Diana is also forever young due to her premature death.
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Old 04-28-2021, 05:08 PM
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Camilla Shand was pretty as well, but she was just way older than Diana so any comparison is a disadvantage: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016...8300411904.jpg

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If we go to see pictures of Camilla when she was younger, we could see that she was a very interesting woman.
But you can't compare with Diana, because they had some age difference.
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Old 04-28-2021, 05:11 PM
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Camilla was very pretty and obviously had the personality to make her attractive enough to a few people, not just Charles and Parker Bowles. But decades of being outside with no sunscreen, smoking very heavily, and being in her own deeply unhappy marriage are all more than enough to leave being pretty a memory. She has cleaned up very nicely again basically the whole time she's been remarried.

I think people want to believe that she's a hag, but I think things like Clarence House refusing to stick to the Princess Consort status (which I think is entirely Charles and probably nothing to do with her) don't help her popularity, either. She'd be a little more liked if she were a definite quantity.

That, or Tracey Ullman.
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Old 04-28-2021, 10:59 PM
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There are several reasons - and I am going to be rather blunt here.

1. She was the other woman in the relationship. People were more eager to forgive Diana for committing adultery with anyone in general, than Charles committing adultery with Camilla.
2. This feeds into number 2. People would like her more if she was more attractive and younger. Unfortunately yes. People are fickle and yes stake more on attractiveness then they care to admit.
3. She is made out to be work shy, and in many area that reads as lazy. Okay now there was a time when Camilla did more or about the same as William and Harry and they were given the benefit of the doubt, learning the role and everything.
4. People don't see her as relatable. There has been two and a current PR campaign to show the down to earth nature of the Duchess - and it simply doesn't work. I have been told by a journalist that it is her accent that is the problem and in general her body language. Her clothing choices ect.

Personally I just think the British don't see her as good enough for Charles, especially when viewed against Diana. If Camilla had been his first wife, we might be having the conversation as well.

I think number one on your list has been the deal breaker for Camilla. The press really went after her, viciously, and for a long time. She wasn’t able to defend herself at the time so the public got to “know” her via a years long smear campaign. That’s hard to overcome, and the difficulty was compounded by Diana’s death.

Entering royal life at middle age or older would be hard no matter what - it goes against what people see as the norm for royalty. I think things would have been very different if Camilla had been Charles’ first wife, had married him in her 20s, raised a few children with him, etc. As long as she’d made an effort with the British public while she was doing those things, it wouldn’t have mattered if she wasn’t beautiful, or if she aged poorly, because people would already have some degree of affection for her and would be familiar with her good qualities.

But the vast majority of the problem comes back to the fact that she was involved in the implosion of Charles and Diana’s so called fairy tale. Charles has never been able to completely overcome it, either.
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Old 04-28-2021, 11:07 PM
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Everything you've stated, camelot, is right on the money and is probably the biggest factor affecting Camilla's popularity. It's odd but but it's for all those reasons that I've really grown to admire Camilla. Stepping into a very public life was not something that she aimed for or even really ever wanted to do but because the role came with the man, she took it all on with a smile and a wave and has staunchly stood by Charles' side and that's what really counts.
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Old 04-28-2021, 11:42 PM
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Everything you've stated, camelot, is right on the money and is probably the biggest factor affecting Camilla's popularity. It's odd but but it's for all those reasons that I've really grown to admire Camilla. Stepping into a very public life was not something that she aimed for or even really ever wanted to do but because the role came with the man, she took it all on with a smile and a wave and has staunchly stood by Charles' side and that's what really counts.
She - and Charles - are the epitome of “just getting on with it”. I expect there why HM and Philip ultimately accepted her - HM certainly gets on with Camilla like gangbusters.

Once people are set in their thinking about you, you can’t change their minds. So, Charles and Camilla just do their good works and accept how people feel. That’s not a big deal now, but when the Queen passes, will people at least support them even if they don’t like them? The haters will probably constantly rail against them, but hopefully those who merely just don’t care for them won’t raise a ruckus.
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Old 04-29-2021, 01:04 AM
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She - and Charles - are the epitome of “just getting on with it”. I expect there why HM and Philip ultimately accepted her - HM certainly gets on with Camilla like gangbusters.
They weren't the epitome of "just getting on with it" for 15-20 years, though. First they had a prolonged affair while Charles and Diana were married (and Diana was young, beautiful and very popular) and then Camilla was still Charles' mistress when Diana tragically died (while still young, beautiful and popular).

I think the comparisons to Diana will be the bane of Camilla's existence even up to the point when Charles becomes king, which, let's face it, can't be far away now. If the Queen lives as long as her mother, it could happen in 6 years, shortly after The Crown wraps up its final seasons. And yes, The Crown dredged up the Diana-Camilla comparisons again, but the contrast between the two women is so stark, it doesn't take much artistic license to make Camilla come off badly. Add a director who does indeed want to spin the story as far in Diana's favour as possible, and you can see why I think Camilla will never win a popularity contest in the UK.

How much people support Charles and Camilla during the reign of King Charles V probably depends on how stable the UK is, socially and economically. If the country is doing well, he may have more support than if there are a lot of other tensions at play.
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Old 04-29-2021, 01:12 AM
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I believe we should understand that the British people don't plan a revolution, at least not one against their Royal family. So all this talk about "not liking" a member, "prefering" King William, "strip" Harry and Meghan of their titles will lead to exactly nothing. The Royals will go on as they did or change to a more do-able style (which they will call more "modern") and those, who are young today, will see a "King George" one day. So discuss as much as you like but this is the future of the British monarchy at the moment (especially with the current queen still alive), with both big parties in the parliament happy that this is a reality Brexit did not kill. Though we will see what happens with the Uk itself, when Scotland votes again. But that has nothing whatsoever to do whether the people like or hate Camilla. She is Charles' beloved wife, her place in the family and at court is secure.
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Old 04-29-2021, 02:59 AM
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There was an opinion poll the other day which showed that a large percentage of people aged 18 to 25 don't plan to have children, because they think overpopulation is destroying the planet. As most news reporters said, with all due respect, will those people be saying the same thing in ten years' time, when they're aged 28 to 35? Younger people, in general, do have more radical views, and those views tend to change as people grow older. That applies to the views on the monarchy as much as it does to anything else.
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Old 04-30-2021, 03:54 AM
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Something to keep in mind in terms of Camilla becoming Queen is that these polls don't really tell us how strongly the public feel about it. They may say she shouldn't be Queen in an anonymous poll but what does that mean in reality?

Going back to 2005 I'm sure a majority of respondents would've opposed Charles marrying Camilla entirely. Similarly, I'll bet a majority felt she shouldn't be HRH or have a title at all. But, when both things happened, the British public just accepted it and moved on. People worried that she would be verbally or physically abused at engagements with the public or that she wouldn't be invited anywhere. It turns out the concerns were unfounded.

In summary, a majority might prefer that she not be Queen but are they going to take to the streets, burn her effigy and demand the end of the monarchy if/when it happens? I seriously doubt it.
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Old 04-30-2021, 06:15 AM
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How much people support Charles and Camilla during the reign of King Charles V probably depends on how stable the UK is, socially and economically. If the country is doing well, he may have more support than if there are a lot of other tensions at play.

Wouldn't it be King Charles III? I think Charles will have sufficient popular support provided that he plays his hand well.


For example, YouGov polls show that only 14% of UK adults support Camilla being called Queen while a plurality (about 41 %) accept the title of Princess Consort. Charles already announced his intention in the past to go along with the Princess Consort alternative. Why would he go back on his own announced intention when there is no popular support for that? It would be like shooting himself in the foot at the very beginning of his reign.
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Old 04-30-2021, 06:22 AM
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Good Morning America (from ABC) have been pushing the anti-monarchy sentiment on the 10th wedding anniversary of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Good Morning America @GMA
Our #BehindPalaceDoors series takes a look at modernizing the British monarchy. Will the Windsors survive the royal rift?
@JamesAALongman reports.
10:39 PM · Apr 29, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1387748271909650440

They kept pushing the narrative that young people are republicans and monarchy will not survive unless radical modernisation. One British commentator mentioned that William and Catherine are old fashion, whilst Harry & Meghan are modern

As Alison H has mentioned earlier (post #712) that some young people will change their opinions on the monarchy over the next decade, just like politics or social issues. In fact, I know some British conservative commentators who were socialists in their youth/early adulthood. Perhaps, some young people (aged 18-24) are staunch republicans, but then become monarchists when they reached in their 30s/40s.

I'm not even surprised at this point the GMB and some commentators in that video are out of touch with the general British public.

Omid Scobie retweeted the Good Morning America's tweet,
Omid Scobie @scobie
Progressive take from @YourGirlTiwa on final day of @GMA’s #BehindPalaceDoors: “Anti-monarchist sentiment is growing in this country, especially amongst the younger generation... The Queen’s successor will have to do a lot of hard work to gain the trust of the British people.”
11:06 PM · Apr 29, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/scobie/status/1387755184764465157

Richard Eden from the Daily Mail questioned Omid Scobie on twitter.
Richard Eden @richardaeden
Really? Is anti-monarchist sentiment growing in Britain? What's your evidence for that? #royal https://twitter.com/scobie/status/1387755184764465157
11:28 PM · Apr 29, 2021·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/richardaeden/sta...60794918588419

Personally, I think Omid Scobie (or Sussex mouthpiece) is jumping on the anti-monarchy bandwagon and being controversial for publicity of his new edition Finding Freedom. A more cynical version of me is suggesting that he is willing to through the Royal Family under the bus just to make Harry & Meghan more popular. Yes, I know that celebrities and public figures do this a lot times in order to sell more of their project. Jedward is another example of spouting anti-monarchy drivel in promotion of their upcoming CD.
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Old 04-30-2021, 06:26 AM
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There are not that many monarchists per se, its simply that as people get older, they still may not care for the monarchy, or teh current king, but are too busy with otehr problems to care about changing it, if it is working tolerably well....
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Old 04-30-2021, 06:28 AM
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Good Morning America (from ABC) have been pushing the anti-monarchy sentiment on the 10th wedding anniversary of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
Good Morning America @GMA
Our #BehindPalaceDoors series takes a look at modernizing the British monarchy. Will the Windsors survive the royal rift?
@JamesAALongman reports.
10:39 PM · Apr 29, 2021·TweetDeck
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1387748271909650440

They kept pushing the narrative that young people are republicans and monarchy will not survive unless radical modernisation. One British commentator mentioned that William and Catherine are old fashion, whilst Harry & Meghan are modern

As Alison H has mentioned earlier (post #712) that some young people will change their opinions on the monarchy over the next decade, just like politics or social issues. In fact, I know some British conservative commentators who were socialists in their youth/early adulthood. Perhaps, some young people (aged 18-24) are staunch republicans, but then become monarchists when they reached in their 30s/40s.

I'm not even surprised at this point the GMB and some commentators in that video are out of touch with the general British public.

Omid Scobie retweeted the Good Morning America's tweet,
Omid Scobie @scobie
Progressive take from @YourGirlTiwa on final day of @GMA’s #BehindPalaceDoors: “Anti-monarchist sentiment is growing in this country, especially amongst the younger generation... The Queen’s successor will have to do a lot of hard work to gain the trust of the British people.”
11:06 PM · Apr 29, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/scobie/status/1387755184764465157

Richard Eden from the Daily Mail questioned Omid Scobie on twitter.
Richard Eden @richardaeden
Really? Is anti-monarchist sentiment growing in Britain? What's your evidence for that? #royal https://twitter.com/scobie/status/1387755184764465157
11:28 PM · Apr 29, 2021·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/richardaeden/sta...60794918588419

Personally, I think Omid Scobie (or Sussex mouthpiece) is jumping on the anti-monarchy bandwagon and being controversial for publicity of his new edition Finding Freedom. A more cynical version of me is suggesting that he is willing to through the Royal Family under the bus just to make Harry & Meghan more popular. Yes, I know that celebrities and public figures do this a lot times in order to sell more of their project. Jedward is another example of spouting anti-monarchy drivel

The old-fashioned William and Kate are the most popular members of the BRF after the Queen. The modern Duchess of Sussex on the other hand is viewed negatively by 61 % of British adults.


GMA shouldn't comment on matters they are not knowledgeable about.
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