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Old 03-12-2021, 04:55 PM
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Harry & Meghan have been publicly a couple since 2017 so anyone up to the age of 22 (All but two of the ages in the "young age group") doesn't know the RF pre-Meghan and Harry sagas and that is important to bear in mind IMO.
??? You think they didn't exist or had any knowledge until they were 18? Lots of teenagers do know about the royal family prior to reaching the age of majority...
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:02 PM
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Yes, obviously I think people land on this planet age 18.

My point was about more than black and white numbers but about the fact those in the youngest age groups won't have had all that much exposure to the RF before the Sussexes - of course they will have know about them but really how many 15/16 year olds read the newspapers or are all that interested in the RF? Yes I'm sure there are lots of royal supporting teenagers out there but I don't believe there are in the majority. I believe they are likely influenced by the fact H&M have been very "loud" in their time in the RF, those in the older age groups surveyed have had more experience of the RF beyond H&M and are perhaps comparing them to what they see as the "norm" for royals.
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Old 03-12-2021, 06:26 PM
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To balance those who claim that polls are reliable and scientific et al: why then organize elections where millions have to cast a vote? Spare this logistic operation: just hire an enquête service bureau and with contacting some 1.536 "representative" respondents they can extrapolate a "reliable" outcome for the country.

Of course no one would ever accept this. That is what I mean with claims as "the monarchy is popular". I dunno. No one has ever been asked in a nationwide operation. In no any monarchy that is. People were born in 1963. Elizabeth was Queen. And now in 2021 Elizabeth is still Queen. Will be okay, probably, but no one has ever asked them to have Elizabeth in the first place. It is the status quo.

Look at Austria which had a gigantic empire. When it crumbled in 1918, no one shed a tear and no any chance for a return to a system Austria had for centuries. That brings the question: how deep rooted is a desire for a monarchy? Is it just "tolerated" or is the love deep, genuine and widespread? We will see under Charles & Camilla, under William & Kate.
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Old 03-12-2021, 08:35 PM
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After looking at the graph of Harry & Meghan's popularity (from 2018 onwards), it seems that this is the sharpest decrease in their favourability yet. It just confirms how significant and detrimental the Oprah's interview was on public opinions of the Sussexes. Yes, their popularity has been dropping ever since 2018 (except some increase in early 2020 and 2021), but this decrease is the greatest yet. And most importantly, their popularities are at the lowest level.
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Old 03-13-2021, 10:44 AM
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I’m sure the RF will take some comfort from this poll (except maybe Charles)
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Old 03-13-2021, 11:06 AM
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I’m sure the RF will take some comfort from this poll (except maybe Charles)
Most defiantly not the Prince of Wales.
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Old 03-18-2021, 01:26 PM
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This isn't really so much support of the monarchy in the UK as popularity of it's members in the US but it's interesting none the less in light of everything.

https://www.newsweek.com/queen-eliza...erview-1577010
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Old 03-20-2021, 03:57 PM
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https://globalnews.ca/news/7704854/r...n-markle-role/

And, on another tangent the slide towards a new look at the Crown in Canada, first noticed in these polls about five years ago, appears to be continuing. As with here in Australia and other realms there may well be a reappraisal after the Queen is no longer with us.
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Old 03-20-2021, 04:22 PM
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And, on another tangent the slide towards a new look at the Crown in Canada, first noticed in these polls about five years ago, appears to be continuing. As with here in Australia and other realms there may well be a reappraisal after the Queen is no longer with us.
It was always going to happen after the Queen died. Even if Harry and Meghan had stayed with the BRF and been extremely happy there it wouldn't have changed the trend towards republicanism and the idea that everyone's going to reassess after the Queen dies.
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Old 03-20-2021, 04:35 PM
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It was always going to happen after the Queen died. Even if Harry and Meghan had stayed with the BRF and been extremely happy there it wouldn't have changed the trend towards republicanism and the idea that everyone's going to reassess after the Queen dies.
I know that. I noted in my post that the slide began five years ago in 2016, probably before Harry and Meghan had even started dating. In spite of certain news organisations trying to link Harry and Meghan’s remarks to attempting to bring the monarchy down the interview had nothing to do with the Crown and the Realms. IMO there will almost certainly be future breaking away of the realms from the Crown and there will be nothing that Charles and Camilla or William and Kate can do about it. (Or that Harry can or could do, in spite of charming the Jamaican PM.)

By George’s reign I predict none of the larger realms will be around though there will still be a Commonwealth. I doubt that William will be Ceremonial Head however.
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Old 03-20-2021, 06:41 PM
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https://globalnews.ca/news/7704854/r...n-markle-role/

And, on another tangent the slide towards a new look at the Crown in Canada, first noticed in these polls about five years ago, appears to be continuing. As with here in Australia and other realms there may well be a reappraisal after the Queen is no longer with us.
I'm not surprised. The younger generations, I.e. those born around 1980 to present don' thave a great affection for the BRF, with exception to the Queen. An example is the reaction when Tony Abbott awarded Prince Phillip the Order of Australia. That ultimately led to his demise.

There are enough polls that once the Queen dies, a new referendum will take place. And this is seen across the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth is a dying concept, and the dramas that have occurred in the BRF over the past 4 decades are a contributing factor, but not the main one. Canada, Australia and other Commonwealth nations have a strong identity of their own and the future is one without being part of the British Empire
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Old 03-20-2021, 11:23 PM
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PRINCE WILLIAM AND DAVID ATTENBOROUGH MOST POPULAR CHOICES FOR HEAD OF STATE IF MONARCHY ABOLISHED, POLL FINDS

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The poll, carried out by YouGov for The Times’ Red Box political newsletter, asked respondents who they would choose as an elected head of state instead of the Queen.

The question in the survey read: “If you could pick anyone currently living to be Britain’s elected head of state, who would it be?”

Of the 1,680 people who responded to the survey, 12 per cent voted for Prince William, followed by David Attenborough with 9 per cent and the Queen with 7 per cent.

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Old 03-21-2021, 12:53 AM
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I'm not surprised. The younger generations, I.e. those born around 1980 to present don' thave a great affection for the BRF, with exception to the Queen. An example is the reaction when Tony Abbott awarded Prince Phillip the Order of Australia. That ultimately led to his demise.

There are enough polls that once the Queen dies, a new referendum will take place. And this is seen across the Commonwealth. The Commonwealth is a dying concept, and the dramas that have occurred in the BRF over the past 4 decades are a contributing factor, but not the main one. Canada, Australia and other Commonwealth nations have a strong identity of their own and the future is one without being part of the British Empire
One has to be seriously naive to think the the commonwealth exists so that it’s members can fawn over the BRF. The Commonwealth is an organization that allows nations with a shared past to cooperate with each in mutually beneficial ways. None of them give a rats a## about the scandals in the BRF
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Old 03-21-2021, 01:17 AM
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Both CrownPrincessJava and myself are Australians and as such also Commonwealth citizens, so we do know something of the Commonwealth.

Personally I can see the Commonwealth continuing during Charles’s reign as King in the UK. However, speaking for myself, I do believe that the reputation of sovereigns do matter in the realms. The Queen is a testament to that, to the extent that a former leader of the republican movement here stated that perhaps the question could be put on the back burner until after ElizabethII’s death.


As far as Charles’s popularity here is concerned, I lived between Australia and Britain in the days of the War of the Wales’s and can testify to the fact that Diana was extremely popular in both countries.

Among my friends and acquaintances in Australia the mood was anti Charles in those years, especially at the time of Diana’s death and afterwards. Those years did impact on Charles’s popularity here, as it did in Britain, and his popularity has not really recovered much since. I’ve heard several republicans here say in debates on the issue ‘Do we want a King Charles?’ and almost invariably the answer is ‘No!’ I think that you underestimate how much news on the BRF we get here and in most countries in the Commonwealth.

After the Queen’s death I believe that several of the realms, including Australia and NZ will become republics within a few years, whether Charles is Ceremonial Head of the Commonwealth or not, and however he feels about it.
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Old 03-21-2021, 02:10 AM
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Both CrownPrincessJava and myself are Australians and as such also Commonwealth citizens, so we do know something of the Commonwealth. Personally I can see the Commonwealth continuing.

However, speaking for myself, I lived between Australia and Britain in the days of the War of the Wales’s and can testify to the fact that Diana was extremely popular in both places.

Among my friends and acquaintances in Australia the mood was anti Charles in those years, especially at the time of Diana’s death and afterwards. Those years did impact on Charles’s popularity here, as it did in Britain, and his popularity has not really recovered since. I’ve heard several republicans here say in debates on the issue ‘Do we want a King Charles?’ and almost invariably the answer is ‘No!’

After the Queen’s death I believe that several of the realms, including Australia and NZ will become republics within a few years, whether Charles is Ceremonial Head of the Commonwealth or not, and however he feels about it.
Without going off-topic, as an Australian, I agree with you on that the support of the monarchy all comes to down Charles. He is not popular not just because the War of the Wales, but also his involvement in politics, including climate change. Even right-wing monarchists in Australia (e.g. some commentators on Sky News Australia) are not exactly fans of Charles and are mostly anxious on Charles III.

I wished he stayed quite on many controversial topics for the sake of the future of the monarchy not just in the UK, but other Commonwealth countries. For example, the Great Reset. Judging by the like/dislike radio of a video on the Royal Family channel, Charles involvement has gone down like a lead balloon.


Here is an Australian economist Youtuber explaining The Great Reset and it's controversial
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Old 03-21-2021, 02:33 AM
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Yes, Charles has long been regarded as a meddler and an eccentric in Britain, and is more or less ignored most of the time in Australia. I don’t think the Great Reset was much help to him.
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Both CrownPrincessJava and myself are Australians and as such also Commonwealth citizens, so we do know something of the Commonwealth.

Personally I can see the Commonwealth continuing during Charles’s reign as King in the UK. However, speaking for myself, I do believe that the reputation of sovereigns do matter in the realms. The Queen is a testament to that, to the extent that a former leader of the republican movement here stated that perhaps the question could be put on the back burner until after ElizabethII’s death.


As far as Charles’s popularity here is concerned, I lived between Australia and Britain in the days of the War of the Wales’s and can testify to the fact that Diana was extremely popular in both countries.

Among my friends and acquaintances in Australia the mood was anti Charles in those years, especially at the time of Diana’s death and afterwards. Those years did impact on Charles’s popularity here, as it did in Britain, and his popularity has not really recovered much since. I’ve heard several republicans here say in debates on the issue ‘Do we want a King Charles?’ and almost invariably the answer is ‘No!’ I think that you underestimate how much news on the BRF we get here and in most countries in the Commonwealth.

After the Queen’s death I believe that several of the realms, including Australia and NZ will become republics within a few years, whether Charles is Ceremonial Head of the Commonwealth or not, and however he feels about it.
100% agree. And now the Republicans use the prospects of King Charles and his consort Queen Camilla as to why we should become a Republic when QEII dies.
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Old 03-21-2021, 02:57 AM
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One has to be seriously naive to think the the commonwealth exists so that it’s members can fawn over the BRF. The Commonwealth is an organization that allows nations with a shared past to cooperate with each in mutually beneficial ways. None of them give a rats a## about the scandals in the BRF
Perhaps you should have read all of the text you had in bold. I said it's NOT THE MAIN factor, but you can bet that the events of Diana's death, the poor way the Queen handled it, cost of Royal visits, Charles marrying Camilla, Harry and Meghan and the major one - Prince Andrew and his friendship with Eppstein, have damaged the BRF, thus Australians questioning our head of state and membership in the Commonwealth.

It has been discussed why we should be part of the Commonwealth of Nations since our biggest ally is the US, and agreements to cooperate etc are done through other means. An example - only 14 of 40 Australian Universities are part of the Association of Commonwealth Universities. Less than half. Why? Because the Commonwealth is not a high priority. TV channels are becoming less interested in showing the Commonwealth Games because of lack of viewership, the appetite to hold the Commonwealth Games is not there.

As I am born, raised and living in a Commonwealth country, I know exactly what the sentiments are. I am certainly not naïve
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I live in a very multi-cultural part of Sydney (like the highest rate of multiculturalism in the country according to the PR put out by the local council). What I do find is that there is a lot of interest in the Commonwealth and the monarchy here as it seems to guarantee them rights that they left their homelands to get. A republic to many of them equals the very real chance for religious persecution to become part of their lives again.

The young people I teach have always been interested in the royal family although they do wish there were some 'young royals' as George is 'too young' and Harry is 'too old' for them to relate to. Many of them have parents younger than Harry and I am talking about kids in their mid-teens.
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Sir Keir Starmer was asked in an interview with The Sunday Times on the British Monarchy. Sir Keir stated that he is a Monarchist and was never going down the Republican move.

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A 2005 video clip recently emerged of Starmer saying he “often used to propose the abolition of the monarchy”, but he says now: “I am a monarchist. I do believe in the Queen. I believe in the royal family.” When, then, did he change his position? “I’ve never gone down the republican route.” Regarding the clip, he insists: “I was making a joke. It was a throwaway remark.” Frankly, I’d be surprised if the 16-year-old socialist who joined the Labour Party was the monarchist he is today.
Keir Starmer: ‘I’m not like Boris Johnson. There’s almost nothing we have in common’
Has the Labour leader really got what it takes to be prime minister? He tells Decca Aitkenhead about his challenging first year and why he’s trailing behind in the polls
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9...6341b7373fa5a3

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