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Old 10-31-2020, 02:31 PM
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The goal for Camilla has always been to be accepted, not universally loved. 25 years ago she was probably the most hated woman in the UK, if not the World.
The fact that she's now a well known figure of the BRF and that people are used to it is already a success...
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:48 PM
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I do think this explains a lot....but, I donít think it speaks well for these younger people if they are basing their feelings about Charles on overheated, biased movies and documentaries. Fortunately, Iím sure many young people have minds of their own. Also fortunately, Charles has learned to live with not being popular....
Believe it or not, while people half follow the stories about the monarchy only a minority in the UK takes any real interest. Most have a n "if it aint broke don't fix it" attitude in that they have little interest in the RF except when there is some scandal or story going around, but mostly are content to let them stay as they seem to work reasonably well but they'll still gripe about the cost.
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Old 10-31-2020, 03:17 PM
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The goal for Camilla has always been to be accepted, not universally loved. 25 years ago she was probably the most hated woman in the UK, if not the World.
The fact that she's now a well known figure of the BRF and that people are used to it is already a success...
Thatís a fantastic point...and, the Queen is a fan, which took some doing... Post-Diana, that really is a success story because Charles insisted that he would never break it off with Camilla, and ultimately he overcame objections to their love story.
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Old 10-31-2020, 03:20 PM
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Believe it or not, while people half follow the stories about the monarchy only a minority in the UK takes any real interest. Most have a n "if it aint broke don't fix it" attitude in that they have little interest in the RF except when there is some scandal or story going around, but mostly are content to let them stay as they seem to work reasonably well but they'll still gripe about the cost.
That actually makes sense as the BRF isnít involved in their daily lives - itís not like theyíre the government. Theyíre also used to it, whereas for, say, Americans, we (even non-Royal watchers) find it a cool part of the UK.
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Old 11-12-2020, 03:25 PM
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I know we've discussed this poll but I hadn't seen the longitudinal graph of Harry's (and later Meghan)'s popularity according to YouGov (starting from June 2012).
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Old 11-12-2020, 05:23 PM
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I know we've discussed this poll but I hadn't seen the longitudinal graph of Harry's (and later Meghan)'s popularity according to YouGov (starting from June 2012).
From reading at the graph, the biggest drop in favourability for both Harry and Meghan is the "Dec '19" mark. I know it's quite difficult to tell a very specific time with no micro scales on the time axis. However, I think the Sussex's exit as senior working royals, particularly on how they handle the situation was the main catalyst of their reduced favourability.

It's interesting to see that apart from a slight increase in early 2020, Meghan's favourability has been dropping since YouGov started polling her in late 2017 (when Harry and Meghan got engaged). There was no peak for the Sussex's wedding, when Meghan was expecting a baby or when Archie is born. Spookily, Harry's popularity started to drop at the same time when Meghan arrives at the scene (excluding the drop in late 2012). Yes, there is a slight increase at mid-/late- 2019, but overall, Harry's favourability has dropped.
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Old 12-08-2020, 04:47 PM
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"New" YouGov Poll with two thirds supporting the continuation of the Monarchy

Despite the republicans' attempt to smear the monarchy and making it unpopular, 67% of Briton still prefer their country to "continue to have a monarchy". 21% wants "an elected head of state instead". Conor Ibbetson (data analyst) has written an article on YouGov at 4th December.

How do Britons want the future of the Royal family to look?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics..._family_future

This is based on the survey results conducted on 2nd-4th October and some later dates with 1626 British adults. Link to the full results in PDF format: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/tnt8vkmj...%20Results.pdf
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Old 12-11-2020, 05:35 AM
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At the end of the day, ultimately it's the British Public and citizen of nations with the "British" Monarch as the head of state (Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc.) who gets to decide (most likely through referendums) on whether their country should be a constitutional monarchy or a Republic. At this point, based on YouGov, around 2/3 of the surveyed UK adults wants the monarchy to continue.

I also forgot to mention that 41% preferred Prince William to succeed the Queen (instead of Charles), 37% preferred Charles to succeed (as usual), 15% thinks there should be no monarch after the Queen and 11% don't know.

In a separate question: Who do you think will have the most influence on the future of the Royal family in the next decade?

Results on 19th-20th November 2019
Prince Charles and Camilla: 10%
Prince William and Kate: 65%
Prince Harry and Meghan: 9%
Don't know: 16%
Results on 2nd-4th October 2020
Prince Charles and Camilla: 12%
Prince William and Kate: 68%
Prince Harry and Meghan: 7%
Don't know: 13%
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/tnt8vkmj...%20Results.pdf
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Old 12-11-2020, 12:32 PM
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In a separate question: Who do you think will have the most influence on the future of the Royal family in the next decade?

Results on 19th-20th November 2019
Prince Charles and Camilla: 10%
Prince William and Kate: 65%
Prince Harry and Meghan: 9%
Don't know: 16%
Results on 2nd-4th October 2020
Prince Charles and Camilla: 12%
Prince William and Kate: 68%
Prince Harry and Meghan: 7%
Don't know: 13%
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/tnt8vkmj...%20Results.pdf
I am at a loss to understand why a majority answered in this way. The Prince of Wales does not seem to be the sort of person who would delegate fundamental decisions about the future of the royal family to his son or anybody else.
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Old 12-11-2020, 12:55 PM
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I am at a loss to understand why a majority answered in this way. The Prince of Wales does not seem to be the sort of person who would delegate fundamental decisions about the future of the royal family to his son or anybody else.
Nor should he, if heís King, unless heís unable to do so. This is wishful thinking from people who want Charles to pass the crown to a William as if itís a baton. If heís still PoW, he has more ďauthorityĒ than his son, so...
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Old 12-11-2020, 12:58 PM
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The goal for Camilla has always been to be accepted, not universally loved. 25 years ago she was probably the most hated woman in the UK, if not the World.
The fact that she's now a well known figure of the BRF and that people are used to it is already a success...



I don't hate Camilla but a lot of people still blame her for Diana. I think they would do better to keep the "princess consort" title or whatever the title was they were going to give her.
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Old 12-11-2020, 01:56 PM
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I don't hate Camilla but a lot of people still blame her for Diana. I think they would do better to keep the "princess consort" title or whatever the title was they were going to give her.
Why should they? Camilla doesnít deserve to be singled out just because some nasty people hold a forever grudge against her..
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Old 12-11-2020, 06:37 PM
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I am at a loss to understand why a majority answered in this way. The Prince of Wales does not seem to be the sort of person who would delegate fundamental decisions about the future of the royal family to his son or anybody else.
I think The Crown might have influenced that - a lot of people take fiction for fact.
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Old 12-11-2020, 08:03 PM
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Why should they? Camilla doesnít deserve to be singled out just because some nasty people hold a forever grudge against her..

Because it makes them liars who can't be trusted. But don't worry she'll be queen. I just think it's a mistake.
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Old 12-11-2020, 09:29 PM
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Because it makes them liars who can't be trusted. But don't worry she'll be queen. I just think it's a mistake.
Um, ok.....I donít even know what to say to that, except that I couldnít disagree with you more.
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Old 12-11-2020, 09:32 PM
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Because it makes them liars who can't be trusted. But don't worry she'll be queen. I just think it's a mistake.
Intentions change.

I 'intended to retire when I turned 65'. I retired when I was 61. Does that make me a liar or someone for whom circumstances changed?

Even in 2005 the PM said that Camilla would be Queen and then parliament would have to pass legislation to strip her of that title. That was in the week leading up to the wedding.

I can see them going the 'equality' route and having ALL future consorts as Prince/Princess Consort so not only Camilla but Catherine as well.
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Old 12-11-2020, 10:48 PM
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I like Camilla. I think she's a wonderful spouse and she's good at the job.

But I don't think she should be Queen. I don't think it matters to her one bit what her title is, and I agree that they should never have issued the "princess consort" statement as an appeasement if they weren't going to stick with it.

Charles should take a lesson from history and learn that you can't have absolutely everything.
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Old 12-12-2020, 03:46 AM
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Please note that several posts relating to the Duchess of Sussex have been moved to the https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...ml#post2359939 thread.

Also, a reminder that we can discuss Titles of members of the Royal Family in this thread: https://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...itles-258.html - that being the Questions about British Styles and Titles thread.
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Old 12-14-2020, 08:13 AM
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Intentions change.

I 'intended to retire when I turned 65'. I retired when I was 61. Does that make me a liar or someone for whom circumstances changed?

Even in 2005 the PM said that Camilla would be Queen and then parliament would have to pass legislation to strip her of that title. That was in the week leading up to the wedding.

I can see them going the 'equality' route and having ALL future consorts as Prince/Princess Consort so not only Camilla but Catherine as well.
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Old 12-14-2020, 08:25 AM
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From reading at the graph, the biggest drop in favourability for both Harry and Meghan is the "Dec '19" mark. I know it's quite difficult to tell a very specific time with no micro scales on the time axis. However, I think the Sussex's exit as senior working royals, particularly on how they handle the situation was the main catalyst of their reduced favourability.

It's interesting to see that apart from a slight increase in early 2020, Meghan's favourability has been dropping since YouGov started polling her in late 2017 (when Harry and Meghan got engaged). There was no peak for the Sussex's wedding, when Meghan was expecting a baby or when Archie is born. Spookily, Harry's popularity started to drop at the same time when Meghan arrives at the scene (excluding the drop in late 2012). Yes, there is a slight increase at mid-/late- 2019, but overall, Harry's favourability has dropped.
2012 was Las Vegas, right? Or am I mixing things up?

This is very interesting, TBH, 4 years of trending upwards, without any hitch. These last few years have trully made me forget how universally liked Harry was in the UK.
(Also, obvious congratulations to ELF for a job very well done )
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