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Old 10-29-2020, 07:00 AM
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I get why older people would like him better than younger - but, what has he done that younger people would actively think negatively about him? I know that's a rhetorical question - I doubt it really has an answer. That said, what you posted is pretty positive overall. Thank you!
he is seen as a rather Edwardian figure, leading a lavish lifestyle, being old fashioned and fuddy duddy, and there is the shade of the Diana years.. In addtion, he has been seen as meddling in poliltics.
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Old 10-29-2020, 07:42 AM
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I don't think "being old fashioned and fuddy duddy" can be the reason for the negativity; the same description pertains to his far more popular mother.
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Old 10-29-2020, 08:24 AM
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I don't think "being old fashioned and fuddy duddy" can be the reason for the negativity; the same description pertains to his far more popular mother.

I think the perceptions are different. The Queen is probably seen as more "down to Earth" as far as that is possible for a British monarch. Charles is seen as eccentric, with a certain snobbish quality, which is not the case again for the Queen. Also, there is the question of Charles being seen as meddling in politics whereas the Queen strives to be strictly neutral and rarely voices an opinion on anything that could be controversial.


I don't know how the Queen's popularity has changed over time, but I suspect she was already popular as a young queen (in the 1950s or the 1960s for example). Charles was never popular as a young or middle-aged prince and is still relatively unpopular as an old one.
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Old 10-29-2020, 08:33 AM
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Popularity contests are nothing but perception and physical attractiveness.
If Charles was more handsome or Camilla was more attractive they would be above William and Kate - but they are not so they wont be.
There will always be people who vote for the Queen as she is the figurehead. It might be interesting to see if that vote changes to Charles in the future.
At the moment Meghan and Harry are down due to perception, but one good PR campaign or a new baby and they will be right up there again.
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Old 10-29-2020, 09:37 AM
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This is just a guess, I think the 18-24 age group on average (generalising here) still remembered Charles in the War of the Wales. I do think there is a possibility that there are more people in aged 18-24 compared to other age groups who strongly idolises Diana, considered her a "saint figure" and blamed the royal family (not just Charles) for her downfall.
Thatís a great point...!
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Old 10-29-2020, 09:48 AM
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I agree and I think this correlates to the fact that there are three adult generations of the Royal Family amongst which people have to divide their support.



Further to what I said above, I think a lot has to do with how people relate to the royals. For the younger generations, they may well relate more to the younger royals or relate more to the Queen being a more "grandmotherly" figure to look up to. Charles is sort of "caught in the middle" so to speak and so peoples thoughts about him are more neutral.
Another good point! Charles isnít old enough to be adorable and grandfatherly (even though he is one), and heís too old to be ďexcitingĒ. I think it would explain neutral feelings rather than negative ones, which is why I think the below could be true:

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I'd say the 18-24 age group are the first ones who never knew Diana as they weren't born (or just barely) when she was alive.
I do think that agegroup might get their information from netflix, tvshows or movies about the Diana/Charles situation (which are generally onesided), and from social media/internet.
Like that "meme" going around with a pic of QEII and P.Philip with a caption "Scared to die because they are afraid to face Diana"

if that is your source of information, i can imagine a "popularity" question has little to do with the royals as they are, but as they are fictionalised.

just imo ofcourse
I think thereís a great deal of truth in this. They may be too young for Diana, but not for William and Harry, and itís possible they have watched a bunch of documentaries, tv shows, etc.. showing Diana as victim of Charles. The 2017 anniversary of her death didnít help him, either.

I donít watch the Crown for many reasons, but I do know that this season is going to be about Charles and Diana. ...meaning it will be highly critical of him, and clearly biased toward her. This certainly will not help his standing with the younger generation
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Old 10-29-2020, 09:50 AM
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I think the perceptions are different. The Queen is probably seen as more "down to Earth" as far as that is possible for a British monarch. Charles is seen as eccentric, with a certain snobbish quality, which is not the case again for the Queen. Also, there is the question of Charles being seen as meddling in politics whereas the Queen strives to be strictly neutral and rarely voices an opinion on anything that could be controversial.


I don't know how the Queen's popularity has changed over time, but I suspect she was already popular as a young queen (in the 1950s or the 1960s for example). Charles was never popular as a young or middle-aged prince and is still relatively unpopular as an old one.
But Charles also does - and has done - some remarkable things as PoW, so youíd think that would count for something, even with young people.

Was he never popular even when young? Why do you think that is?
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:08 AM
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He was popular as a young man, he was the action man prince in the 1970s, seen as quite a modern figure, who had set up the Princes Trust, served in the Navy, took part in dashing dangerous sports... It was the combination of his marriage to Diana, and his being perceived, not entirely unfairly as a bit of a moaner, who had become old fashioned in his 30s, and who was (not unfairly) again accused of sometimes meddling in political issues. he was seen as pontificating about things he didn't fully understand, and as he grew older, of leading a luxuirious formal lifestyle that was out of synch with the modern world.. Whereas at the time, in the 80s and 90s, Diana was seen as young, informal, modern minded.. interested in causes to do with people rather than buildings etc.
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:24 AM
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Popularity contests are nothing but perception and physical attractiveness.
If Charles was more handsome or Camilla was more attractive they would be above William and Kate - but they are not so they wont be.
There will always be people who vote for the Queen as she is the figurehead. It might be interesting to see if that vote changes to Charles in the future.
At the moment Meghan and Harry are down due to perception, but one good PR campaign or a new baby and they will be right up there again.
The question is not who is your favorite royal but whether you have a positive or negative opinion of them. It is fully possible that someone is positive about most of the members of the royal family; or negative about most of them. The only tendency I see in the numbers is that the groups that are less negative about Harry & Meghan are generally more negative about the others. Nonetheless, it is not a popularity contest asking 'who do you like best' in which they are pitted against each other.

And I'm honestly not that sure about Harry and Meghan being up there again with the royals that are viewed most favorably. They are on a continuous PR campaign right now and it doesn't seem to work. A rather large number is very negative about them (for Meghan it's 40%(!) and for Harry 24%), I don't see them suddenly turning in favor of them even after another baby. They might see a limited rise but not much imho. Too much has happened.
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:32 AM
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But Charles also does - and has done - some remarkable things as PoW, so youíd think that would count for something, even with young people.

Was he never popular even when young? Why do you think that is?
Charles has never really had the chance to be judged only on his own merits. He was overshadowed by Diana from the start of their marriage right through to her death and didnít have the sort of personality or media savvy to effectively fight the narrative that developed of him as the unfeeling, out of touch husband and father who talked to his plants.

Then the focus was on William and Harry, their marriages, children, etc.

Now Charles is into his 70s and is still in the number two spot, caught between his iconic mother and his popular eldest son who is steadily building a more prominent role for himself.

Contrast that to how things have gone/will go for William - able to build his own successful career separate from royal duties in his 20s, a stable and seemingly happy marriage in which he and his wife function as a team, heíll become Prince of Wales soon and will likely become King just at the right time to avoid the traditional royal middle age popularity slump. Barring the unexpected his reign will be long, plenty long enough to build a strong reputation as King William, without people thinking of him as just a placeholder for George.
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Old 10-29-2020, 10:37 AM
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I think there are a bunch of issues at play here.

> As set out by @Denville above, Charles was popular in his 20s and 30s, seen very much as a man of tmrw, with a lot of promise.

> The 1980s and 1990s were not kind to Charles, with the difficult marriage, the very public War of the Wales', subsequent divorce, and then the death of Diana. In that time, he was often derided for his interests in organic food, preserving the environment and urban architecture; today these are all pretty mainstream.

> From that low point in 1997, I think he did well, and his public image recovered considerably, to the point that he could marry Camilla.

> The problem now is that Charles and Camilla are in their 70s, and are eclipsed by the younger royals at one end (photogenic, fashionable, attractive children) and the Queen at the other end. The Queen is seen as the steadfast and dutiful leader, the nations grandmother and has become a lot more popular in the last 15 years as she has reached the autumn of her life. Lets not forget, she too had a very difficult 1990s, but that seems to be behind her.
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Old 10-30-2020, 01:29 PM
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I don't know if this is the right spot where to put this, I am sure someone will put it to the right place. I just found British Family Favourability Ratings. Here it shows. Queen 71, William 65, Kate 62, Philip 28, Charles 24, Camilla 1, Harry 1, Meghan minus 26 and Andrew minus 73 I am not surprised by Andrew and by H&M, but I am a bit surprised by the low number Camilla got. She is doing a lot for the Monarchy. You can find this on Noblesse et Royautes.
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Old 10-30-2020, 03:43 PM
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I don't know if this is the right spot where to put this, I am sure someone will put it to the right place. I just found British Family Favourability Ratings. Here it shows. Queen 71, William 65, Kate 62, Philip 28, Charles 24, Camilla 1, Harry 1, Meghan minus 26 and Andrew minus 73 I am not surprised by Andrew and by H&M, but I am a bit surprised by the low number Camilla got. She is doing a lot for the Monarchy. You can find this on Noblesse et Royautes.
The original poll is from the Daily Mail.
Enough said ...
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Old 10-30-2020, 03:48 PM
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Where I live Hello Canada may as well be Hello Kate because she is always on the cover. Also, I too am surprised how badly Camilla polled and I don't believe that the Queen is that popular. The British complain a lot about the cost of the British monarchy.
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Old 10-30-2020, 04:27 PM
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I don't know if this is the right spot where to put this, I am sure someone will put it to the right place. I just found British Family Favourability Ratings. Here it shows. Queen 71, William 65, Kate 62, Philip 28, Charles 24, Camilla 1, Harry 1, Meghan minus 26 and Andrew minus 73 I am not surprised by Andrew and by H&M, but I am a bit surprised by the low number Camilla got. She is doing a lot for the Monarchy. You can find this on Noblesse et Royautes.

I believe that this is the same one that You Gov UK released earlier this week.


https://yougov.co.uk/topics/entertai..._favourability
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Old 10-31-2020, 09:52 AM
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Where I live Hello Canada may as well be Hello Kate because she is always on the cover. Also, I too am surprised how badly Camilla polled and I don't believe that the Queen is that popular. The British complain a lot about the cost of the British monarchy.
Of course tehy do. People alwasy complain about the cost of govt and a monarchy is an inherently unfair form of polity... the queen's respected but I dont know if she awas ever really loved.. she is a decent person, but not charismatic and now she is rather seen as a figure of the past. Charles is alos old fashioned, and Camilla i thtink had a period of escaping from the Diana factor and being accepted but in recnet years I feel that for younger people she's too old to attract them.. and that the Diana factor has again pushed down her ratings...
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Old 10-31-2020, 12:13 PM
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Charles has never really had the chance to be judged only on his own merits. He was overshadowed by Diana from the start of their marriage right through to her death and didnít have the sort of personality or media savvy to effectively fight the narrative that developed of him as the unfeeling, out of touch husband and father who talked to his plants.

Then the focus was on William and Harry, their marriages, children, etc.

Now Charles is into his 70s and is still in the number two spot, caught between his iconic mother and his popular eldest son who is steadily building a more prominent role for himself.

Contrast that to how things have gone/will go for William - able to build his own successful career separate from royal duties in his 20s, a stable and seemingly happy marriage in which he and his wife function as a team, heíll become Prince of Wales soon and will likely become King just at the right time to avoid the traditional royal middle age popularity slump. Barring the unexpected his reign will be long, plenty long enough to build a strong reputation as King William, without people thinking of him as just a placeholder for George.
Those are all great points. I think itís a shame because Charles has really come into his own since marrying Camilla, and especially in the last few years. He doesnít seem at all like a fuddy duddy - not anymore, if he was before - in fact he seems a lot more relaxed and happy than ever.
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Old 10-31-2020, 12:24 PM
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I think there are a bunch of issues at play here.

> As set out by @Denville above, Charles was popular in his 20s and 30s, seen very much as a man of tmrw, with a lot of promise.

> The 1980s and 1990s were not kind to Charles, with the difficult marriage, the very public War of the Wales', subsequent divorce, and then the death of Diana. In that time, he was often derided for his interests in organic food, preserving the environment and urban architecture; today these are all pretty mainstream.

> From that low point in 1997, I think he did well, and his public image recovered considerably, to the point that he could marry Camilla.

> The problem now is that Charles and Camilla are in their 70s, and are eclipsed by the younger royals at one end (photogenic, fashionable, attractive children) and the Queen at the other end. The Queen is seen as the steadfast and dutiful leader, the nations grandmother and has become a lot more popular in the last 15 years as she has reached the autumn of her life. Lets not forget, she too had a very difficult 1990s, but that seems to be behind her.
Again, great points. I do also think Charlesí relationship with the media is much improved. Sure there will be some negativity, as there will be for any Royal, but I think it helped that he didnít generally try to fight back against them in the Diana years. He kept quiet, continued doing his thing, and now heís appreciated. Back in the 80ís and 90ís, it feels like the media was only reporting on him in a negative way, and the public kind of took their cue from that.

It would be impossible for anyone to follow the Queen, but hopefully when that time comes, the natural sympathy people will have for Charles losing his mother will extend to his reign, and theyíll give him the chance to be a good one.
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Old 10-31-2020, 12:25 PM
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Those are all great points. I think itís a shame because Charles has really come into his own since marrying Camilla, and especially in the last few years. He doesnít seem at all like a fuddy duddy - not anymore, if he was before - in fact he seems a lot more relaxed and happy than ever.
He does seem and is certainly happier but to the younger generation he is an old man and leads a luxurious life.. much more so than the queen. And younger people see TV documentaries about his marriage and Diana and think of him as this horrible man who cheated on lovely Diana.. (Albeit there are bound to be young people who dont know anything about Di and don't take any interests in her.. but she sitll has a lot of charm and charisma for the younger generation....
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He does seem and is certainly happier but to the younger generation he is an old man and leads a luxurious life.. much more so than the queen. And younger people see TV documentaries about his marriage and Diana and think of him as this horrible man who cheated on lovely Diana.. (Albeit there are bound to be young people who dont know anything about Di and don't take any interests in her.. but she sitll has a lot of charm and charisma for the younger generation....
I do think this explains a lot....but, I donít think it speaks well for these younger people if they are basing their feelings about Charles on overheated, biased movies and documentaries. Fortunately, Iím sure many young people have minds of their own. Also fortunately, Charles has learned to live with not being popular....
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