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Old 07-23-2020, 02:02 PM
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Judging by this poll the Sussexes appeal to a younger demographic, perhaps because they champion issues they care about. I didn't see an ethnic breakdown in the sample group. In US polls you see breakdown ethnicities.

Unity and stability can also read as stuck in the past, not willing to adapt with the times in order to survive.

On the monarchy website it does state that one of the roles of the royal family is to help “strengthen national unity & stability”.

Unity is not conformity. Stability is not stagnation. There’s been an awful lot of division & change in the UK recently. I reckon a lot of Britons would be quite happy with a bit more unity & stability.

I see that Prince William’s figures mirror almost exactly those for The Queen in every single category. A big plus for his approach to his job.

Both HM & the prince are also the most popular with the 18-24’s. In fact the most popular with all age groups. That’s very encouraging.
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Old 07-23-2020, 06:19 PM
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On the monarchy website it does state that one of the roles of the royal family is to help ďstrengthen national unity & stabilityĒ.

Unity is not conformity. Stability is not stagnation. Thereís been an awful lot of division & change in the UK recently. I reckon a lot of Britons would be quite happy with a bit more unity & stability.

I see that Prince Williamís figures mirror almost exactly those for The Queen in every single category. A big plus for his approach to his job.

Both HM & the prince are also the most popular with the 18-24ís. In fact the most popular with all age groups. Thatís very encouraging.
Itís encouraging for a William, but heís not the next King. It would be nice if Charles would have public support once he takes the throne, but that wonít happen because heís not his mother or his son. I donít think popularity is all about approach, or else Charles and Camilla wouldnít be so unpopular.
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Old 07-23-2020, 06:30 PM
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Charles and Camilla will never be able to overcome their history with some folks. They really aren't likely to 'rise' above a certain percentage.

Unless William really puts his foot in it he will be a very popular monarch assuming there still is one by then.



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Old 07-23-2020, 07:04 PM
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This latest poll asked a specific question in the middle of July 2020, and Harry's numbers were low. However, it may be important to point out that in overall ratings of the popularity of the BRF Harry is fourth. These figures are also up to date. And yes, lower than they were a couple of years ago. However, above Anne, Philip, the Wessexes, Camilla, and his father, the Prince of Wales.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...e/Prince_Harry
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Old 07-23-2020, 07:13 PM
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Part of the difficulty for Charles and Camilla is media profile (and I think for Anne too). I don’t see UK newspapers or TV and so only have the news websites to go on.

Over the last couple of months, everything William, Kate and the children have done seems to have garnered huge media attention. Even though Charles kept up his work rate during lockdown and he, Anne & Camilla have returned to their pre-lockdown schedule increasing visits, they just don’t get the publicity for what they do.

I’m a fan of Charles, Camilla and Anne and pretty iffy about William and Kate but, let’s face it, during a time of national crisis, people would rather see pictures of a photogenic young couple with adorable children clapping for the NHS than a 70 year old couple doing exactly the same thing.

Yes, there is an ageist aspect IMO and the media, which, with some exceptions, is more entertainment than informative, just gives the people what they want. This works against the older royals.
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Old 07-23-2020, 07:27 PM
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I agree with your observations about the media, VictoriaB, and its ageist perspective. And that may well be a problem for the BRF going forward, with only one working couple under the age of forty.

However, I've been watching opinion polls, especially YouGov ones, for a very long time, and while Charles's figures have increased a little since 1997 they are nothing to what the heir to the throne's should be. With Charles's work ethic and breadth of interests he logically should be up near the Queen in these polls. Camilla's have always lagged behind others at the back of the pack since she joined the family as a working Royal.

Sure, some of it can be put down to ageism, but I don't believe that is the main reason for their low poll figures. The British public have long memories where this couple is concerned, unfortunately for them.
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Old 07-23-2020, 07:47 PM
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I agree with your observations about the media, VictoriaB, and its ageist perspective. And that may well be a problem for the BRF going forward, with only one working couple under the age of forty.

However, I've been watching opinion polls, especially YouGov ones, for a very long time, and while Charles's figures have increased a little since 1997 they are nothing to what the heir to the throne's should be. With Charles's work ethic and breadth of interests he logically should be up near the Queen in these polls. Camilla's have always lagged behind others at the back of the pack since she joined the family as a working Royal.

Sure, some of it can be put down to ageism, but I don't believe that is the main reason for their low poll figures. The British public have long memories where this couple is concerned, unfortunately for them.
to your post and Victoria's.

The good thing is, Charles (and Camilla) seems to have reconciled himself with not being popular. There's nothing he can do about it, really, except do what he's done for years and that's just keep at it. Fortunately, the media seems generally positive to him, so the people who don't care for the Wales will pretty much only be heard on social media as the crowds who gather when either one of them (or both) has an engagement always seem to be happy and glad to be there.
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:00 PM
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I agree that Charles and Camilla don't seem too concerned about their poll numbers. I believe that Anne likely takes a similar attitude. They've continued to go about their business and are excellent representatives for the UK.
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:23 PM
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The media has blown hot and cold on Charles through the years and no doubt will do so again. I agree Camilla and Anne probably don't care much. However, how do we know that Charles doesn't care about his poll numbers and how he is viewed by the British public, and that doesn't just mean social media? He may in fact care very much.

In fact in the past the opposite has been true, the departure of his Private Secretary after the disastrous Dimbleby interview, his employment of Mark Bolland to tweak his image in the media for example and there have been stories of very careful controlling of stories coming out of Clarence House about him and his wife.
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Old 07-23-2020, 10:59 PM
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Interestingly based on that yougov link above (Curryong has put above), while Charles ranks 6th in popularity poll, he's the most famous one (followed by The Queen and Harry).

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Prince Charles is the 6th most popular royalty and the most famous. Prince Charles is described by fans as: Environmentalist, Genuine, Committed, Intelligent and Knowledgeable.
Amongst the working (or used to be working) royal (sort by popularity):
The Queen: 1st in popularity (74%) - 2nd most famous (98%)
Wiliam : 2nd in popularity (65%) - 4th most famous (97%)
Catherine : 3rd in popularity (65%) - 8th most famous (94%)
Harry : 4th in popularity (54%) - 3rd most famous (98%)
Anne : 5th in popularity (50%) - 7th most famous (95%)
Charles : 6th in popularity (47%) - 1st most famous (99%)
Phillip : 7th in popularity (46%) - 5th most famous (97%)
Meghan : 9th in popularity (37%) - 6th most famous (95%)
Sophie : 10th in popularity (31%) - 15th most famous (76%)
Camilla : 11th in popularity (30%) - 10th most famous (94%)
Edward : 12th in popularity (26%) - 13th most famous (89%)
Andrew : 15th in popularity (12%) - 9th most famous (94%)

So certainly Charles and Anne are not unknown nor disliked (in term of positive opinion/likes, they're not far behind Harry).

I won't put anything to this poll though, because if you click on Andrew, his description is:
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Prince Andrew, Duke of York isthe 15th most popular royalty and the 9th most famous. Prince Andrew, Duke of York is described by fans as: Loyal, Good speaker, Genuine, Committed and Patriotic.
Considering his antics, it makes sense that people know his name, but I will never decribe him as "good speaker" nor "genuine" (genuine stupid, maybe). As for "loyal" ... erm, depend on with to whom we're talking about here.
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Old 07-23-2020, 11:05 PM
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Perhaps Andrew's family participated!
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Old 07-23-2020, 11:15 PM
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I agree that Charles and Camilla don't seem too concerned about their poll numbers. I believe that Anne likely takes a similar attitude. They've continued to go about their business and are excellent representatives for the UK.
While C & C might not track their popularity very closely, I think their staff does. It seems a matter of pride for Royal staff members to have their principal's popularity rise during their tenure in service of HRH.
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Old 07-23-2020, 11:36 PM
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The media has blown hot and cold on Charles through the years and no doubt will do so again. I agree Camilla and Anne probably don't care much. However, how do we know that Charles doesn't care about his poll numbers and how he is viewed by the British public, and that doesn't just mean social media? He may in fact care very much.

In fact in the past the opposite has been true, the departure of his Private Secretary after the disastrous Dimbleby interview, his employment of Mark Bolland to tweak his image in the media for example and there have been stories of very careful controlling of stories coming out of Clarence House about him and his wife.
I guess I should have worded it better...if he cares, he doesnít show it. Thereís still nothing he can do about it, lol.

I admit, I did forget about those examples you mentioned (which I only know about through this forum)...but werenít they a long time ago? Charles seems pretty happy and secure to me.
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Old 07-24-2020, 12:32 AM
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There have been other more recent stories though, which it was said had been planted in the media, access to his Cambridge grandchildren, stories of his frustration at his charity endeavours not getting sufficient oxygen due to the media concentrating on his sons, reactions in 2017 to Harry and William's documentaries about their mother, etc etc.

I do believe that media attention is important to all the senior royals. They keep an eye on their own press and the stories of others in the family for comparison.
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Old 07-24-2020, 11:43 AM
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Itís encouraging for a William, but heís not the next King. It would be nice if Charles would have public support once he takes the throne, but that wonít happen because heís not his mother or his son. I donít think popularity is all about approach, or else Charles and Camilla wouldnít be so unpopular.
It's encouraging for the long term future of the monarchy.

William doesn't get involved in controversies in that way his father has. That's what I mean by approach. William's role model appears to be The Queen. Some of Charles' relative unpopularity is undoubtedly due to his perceived meddling in politics. It's not all down to his personal life. For the heir to the throne there's definitely a grey area between being informed & lobbying.
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Old 07-24-2020, 11:53 AM
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It's encouraging for the long term future of the monarchy.

William doesn't get involved in controversies in that way his father has. That's what I mean by approach. William's role model appears to be The Queen. Some of Charles' relative unpopularity is undoubtedly due to his perceived meddling in politics. It's not all down to his personal life. For the heir to the throne there's definitely a grey area between being informed & lobbying.
Thatís true, but is Charles really being considered to be meddling in politics by being interested in such things as climate change ? To me, thatís not about politics, but about the future of humanity. Spider letters were a long time ago - I donít think he does that kind of thing now?
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Old 07-24-2020, 11:54 AM
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There have been other more recent stories though, which it was said had been planted in the media, access to his Cambridge grandchildren, stories of his frustration at his charity endeavours not getting sufficient oxygen due to the media concentrating on his sons, reactions in 2017 to Harry and William's documentaries about their mother, etc etc.

I do believe that media attention is important to all the senior royals. They keep an eye on their own press and the stories of others in the family for comparison.
Thatís true...
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Old 07-24-2020, 11:56 AM
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Thatís true, but is Charles really being considered to be meddling in politics by being interested in such things as climate change ? To me, thatís not about politics, but about the future of humanity. Spider letters were a long time ago - I donít think he does that kind of thing now?
He may not do it now but he was used to use his position to pester Government ministers etc. I think as he has grown older and gotten nearer to the throne he recognizes that he has to be more discreet and to keep his political views to himself and not to make use of his position...It wasn't a good idea, its one reason why he is less popular than he might be...
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Old 07-24-2020, 12:49 PM
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That’s true, but is Charles really being considered to be meddling in politics by being interested in such things as climate change ? To me, that’s not about politics, but about the future of humanity. Spider letters were a long time ago - I don’t think he does that kind of thing now?
He has been reported in the past as seeing his role as monarch as being "different" from previous sovereigns. Whatever that means exactly. I think people just remember his previous meddling & remain wary. I don't think climate change has got anything to do with his lack of popularity.

It's more eye rolling than hostility with Prince Charles. He's not exactly unpopular or actively disliked. Although at one time he was by a lot of people. That immediate dislike has largely evaporated over time.
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Old 07-24-2020, 01:31 PM
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He has been reported in the past as seeing his role as monarch as being "different" from previous sovereigns. Whatever that means exactly. I think people just remember his previous meddling & remain wary. I don't think climate change has got anything to do with his lack of popularity.

It's more eye rolling than hostility with Prince Charles. He's not exactly unpopular or actively disliked. Although at one time he was by a lot of people. That immediate dislike has largely evaporated over time.
I think the dislike was over the Diana issue.. but also some of it was over his being seen as a meddler and perhaps as someone who seemed to want to lead a grandiose "Princely" lifestyle. As times' passed I think that Camilla has become more accepted.. and he has quieted down on his giving his opinions and meddling...
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