State Visit from the King and Queen of Spain: July 12-14, 2017

[Osipi]

From all the problems presented and the whys and wherefores of how things are done, (checks off the learn something new box) perhaps a cancellation is the best way to go. The dates just don't fit and a cancellation will leave both sides open to coming up with a new plan where everybody's happy.

[irish_royalist]

Cancel - until Spain stop their grandstanding over the Gibraltar issue? In 2002 98.97% voted 'No' in the shared sovereignty referendum. Living in Northern Ireland, I appreciate the importance of these sovereignty issues.
The referendum was pre-Brexit tho

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Reschedule it for next year and let it take place at Windsor Castle (as first planned).

Here is an article to Osipi about the Garter Service in 2002, who was attended by foreign royals: https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j...j60OjT1JtKdrLg

[camelot23ca]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Frankly, according to reports May decided to call this election after some careful thinking this bank holiday weekend and informed The Queen on Monday of her decision.

Whilst I agree that a GE is important, we were by no means expecting one to happen. But we were expecting a state visit from a King and Queen of Europe, the amount of planning that has gone in to that etc, frankly on some level someone in the palace is very annoyed that this GE is ruining the State Visit.

If you can fit a general election, around The Queens engagements (which frankly I doubt is the case), you can fit it around a State Visit, one that's already been cancelled once.

It's not up to The Queen whether this visit goes ahead, it's the choice of the government. Frankly if anything it make the whole situation easier for everyone, nobodies going to pop up in parliament and shout Gibraltar at someone.

I doubt QEII or any of her staff will be too put out if the visit is cancelled. She/they know that an election takes precedence over most things and most of the planning can be shelved and brought out again whenever the visit goes ahead. Most of these visits seem to follow a template that doesn't change much over time and I'm sure the Queen herself could host a state visit in her sleep if she had to.

I also can't imagine the issue of the state visit seriously crossed the PM's mind in terms of when to call the election. IMO the only countries which would need to be taken into account in this situation, (ie absolutely couldn't be cancelled on this close to a visit), would be the US and China.

I would feel bad, somewhat, for the Spanish delegation, if the visit is cancelled because I think being the visitors probably involves more prep work than being the hosts, especially since the monarch and some of his staff are relatively new at their jobs. But, again, I'm sure everyone understands these things happen.

[Duke of Marmalade]

I don't see how this visit can be scheduled tightly after election - as we learned, an election can be unpredictable, what if May has problems forming a government and everything will be delayed, will the visit be postponed again? How embarrassing would that be.

I don't see this visit happen until everything has been settled and is well in place, it will be autumn when The Donald as already been scheduled to come to UK. But who knows, political life changes fast.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by irish_royalist

Cancel - until Spain stop their grandstanding over the Gibraltar issue? In 2002 98.97% voted 'No' in the shared sovereignty referendum. Living in Northern Ireland, I appreciate the importance of these sovereignty issues.
The referendum was pre-Brexit tho

In 2016, in the referendum 96% of the Gibraltarians voted for staying in the European Union. But the wishes of the Gibraltarians are completely ignored. As are the wishes of the majorities in Scotland and in your very own Northern Ireland. The whole UK combined, just 51,89% of the voters backed the idea of a Brexit.

This not so convincing result, combined with the clear victories for Remain in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar however did not stop the Conservative Government to go on crash course and head for a hard Brexit, with all possible serious consequences the people in Scotland, Northern Ireland (parts of "our precious union" dixit Mrs May) and Gibraltar did not ask for.

So yes, 15 years ago the Gibraltarians (less than 20,000 people) voted for staying in the UK. For what it is worth. After all: the same UK completely ignores the wish of 95,91% of the Gibraltarians expressed in last year's referendum. So Gibraltar is just a pawn on the chessboard of UK's diplomacy. As it is for the Spanish (quite understandably).

[PetticoatLane]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

In 2016, in the referendum 96% of the Gibraltarians voted for staying in the European Union. But the wishes of the Gibraltarians are completely ignored. As are the wishes of the majorities in Scotland and in your very own Northern Ireland. The whole UK combined, just 51,89% of the voters backed the idea of a Brexit.

This not so convincing result, combined with the clear victories for Remain in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar however did not stop the Conservative Government to go on crash course and head for a hard Brexit, with all possible serious consequences the people in Scotland, Northern Ireland (parts of "our precious union" dixit Mrs May) and Gibraltar did not ask for.

So yes, 15 years ago the Gibraltarians (less than 20,000 people) voted for staying in the UK. For what it is worth. After all: the same UK completely ignores the wish of 95,91% of the Gibraltarians expressed in last year's referendum. So Gibraltar is just a pawn on the chessboard of UK's diplomacy. As it is for the Spanish (quite understandably).

I could sit and pick this nonsense apart but it's just the latest in a number of posts which demonstrates your lack of understanding of the UK and the British people. Clearly there's no point.

[PetticoatLane]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

It's not up to The Queen whether this visit goes ahead, it's the choice of the government.

I didn't say it was up to the Queen. What should happen is that the Queen's private secretary contacts someone close to the PM in Downing Street and explains how this farcical visit happening so close to the GE puts the Crown in a very difficult position. I'm sure, given we had to accept the Spaniards cancelling the last one due to political realities at home, that a further cancellation wouldn't be the end of the world.

Think for a moment that, in the couple of weeks leading up to the GE, the polls dramatically tighten which they tend to do to a greater or lesser extent. The possibility of a hung Parliament looms large with all that means for Brexit. The Queen and her staff will be expected to be focussing all their efforts in those days on what happens next - quiet meetings with representatives of all involved, taking soundings on who would be willing to work with who, what are the 'red lines' for all involved, what's the choreography of the days after the results etc. while dealing with the sky-high national and international press who will be watching every move the Queen makes during that time.

In such a situation, it would be a total scandal if the Queen and her staff were spending their time deciding whether to give a foreign monarch the blue Garter riband and which signed photo to give Letizia. Surely, common sense will win out!

[JessRulz]

Rhiannon Mills‏ @SkyRhiannon 1m1 minute ago
Buckingham Palace confirm Spanish State visit moved to 12th-14th July due to #GE2017 King of Spain was due to visit The Queen 6th-8th June

The Royal Family @RoyalFamily 6m6 minutes ago
Her Majesty The Queen and The King of Spain have agreed that the planned Spanish State Visit to the UK in June will be postponed until July.

The Royal Family @RoyalFamily 6m6 minutes ago
In light of the UK General Election, The Visit has been rescheduled and will now take place from 12th-14th July.

[eya]

[I] put here the Program of the visit. Prince Harry take part but I don't see the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...81&oe=59C44484
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...0e&oe=59D6F511
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...66&oe=5A0B48C4
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...09&oe=59CF371D

[Duke of Marmalade]

MPs threaten to walk out of state address by the Spanish King over Gibraltar

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/397172...ver-gibraltar/

1,000 troops from the Queen's Household Division give an early morning show of pomp and pageantry in rehearsals for King of Spain's state visit


Queen's troops rehearse ahead of Spanish royal visit | Daily Mail Online

[Dman]

Pictures:
Rehearsal Pictures- Love It!
World of Windsor : felipeandletizia: 1,000 troops from the Queen’s...

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by eya

[I] put here the Program of the visit. Prince Harry take part but I don't see the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...81&oe=59C44484
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...0e&oe=59D6F511
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...66&oe=5A0B48C4
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...09&oe=59CF371D

It is a pity that the King and the Queen won't have any private event with the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, but will have two (!) events with the Duke of York. I am still confident though that William and Catherine will attend the state banquet at Buckingham Palace.

[Pranter]

Originally Posted by eya

[I] put here the Program of the visit. Prince Harry take part but I don't see the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...81&oe=59C44484
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...0e&oe=59D6F511
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...66&oe=5A0B48C4
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...09&oe=59CF371D

No I don't think W&K are supposed to be doing anything except I'm sure they will be at the big dinner.


LaRae

[ROYAL NORWAY]

As I noticed yesterday (picture below), The 1902 State Landau (open carriage) is used in the in rehearsals. Does this mean that HM and Felipe will use it, or will they use The Diamond Jubilee State Coach as usual? I Don't know, but this is the first June/July state visit to the UK since June 2003 when the Queen and Putin used the open 1902 carriage (this was last time HM used an open carriage during a state visit). It was also used for the the Jordanian state visit in November 2001 and the South African state visit in June 2001.

The Queen and her state guests have only used closed carriages since then, even though we have had 4 April/May state visits since 2004. Why? I don't know, but maybe because of security/weather reasons.

Other members of the royal family (including Charles and Camilla) have continued to use open carriages for state visit sine then.

Picture of the rehearsals:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/...9411210101.jpg

[Pranter]

Beautiful carriage

[Dman]

Most likely the Diamond Jubilee State Coach will be used. Yes, I think it's due to security and weather reasons.

Very likely the Cambridge's will be at the State Banquet. We will likely get pictures of the arrivals and videos of the processions and speeches. It would be lovely if the palace press team used their YouTube channel to broadcast live coverage of the beginnings of the State Banquet.

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

It is a pity that the King and the Queen won't have any private event with the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, but will have two (!) events with the Duke of York. I am still confident though that William and Catherine will attend the state banquet at Buckingham Palace.

Prince Andrew is a senior royal so I don't see the shame. I for one like they don't ship off the older senior royals simply because the younger generation is ready.

It seems dictated anyways by the events the visiting couple are attending. Andrew focussed both on entrepreneurship including expanding business over seas, and on education and research in technical fields. Both events he will accompany the couple on are suited to him.

Take the Crick institute. Who has more knowledge of medical research and technology to tour the institute? Kate or Andrew? If the royal couple were touring a hospice or children's hospital, something like that, yes Kate would be fantastic. It's her area of knowledge.

[ROYAL NORWAY]

Originally Posted by Pranter

Beautiful carriage

Yes, a very beautiful carriage. It has been used for several royal celebrations - here are some of them:

Silver Wedding Anniversary 1972:
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...0430?s=594x594

Silver Jubilee 1977:
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...2556?s=594x594

Queen mothers 80th 1980:
https://yooniqimages.blob.core.windo..._102100572.jpg

Wedding 1981:
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...0657?s=594x594

Wedding 1986:
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...3074?s=594x594

Wedding 2011:
http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/...8733?s=594x594

Diamond Jubilee 2012:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ith_horses.jpg

Originally Posted by Dman

Most likely the Diamond Jubilee State Coach will be used. Yes, I think it's due to security and weather reasons.

I was 100% sure of the Diamond Jubilee Coach (until yesterday) as well, but now I would say 50% sure - and why use the The 1902 State Landau for the rehearsals if it's not going to be used? Last time it was used for rehearsals was (I think, but not sure) in 2012 for the Jubilee.

[Pranter]

Thanks Royal Norway!!


LaRae