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Old 04-18-2011, 03:50 PM
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If Charles was truly concerned about the environment

This is the kind of plane the Prince Charles would lease for domestic trips if he was really concerned about the environment. It's not very fast, but the UK is not very big.
Beechcraft King Air 350
Manufacturer:  Raytheon/Beechcraft
Class:  Turbo Prop
Seating:  9
Lavatory:  aft lav
Cabin Dimensions:  4.90' x 4.60' x 19.60' (H-W-L)
Storage Capacity:  55 cubic feet
Max Payload:  5574 pounds
Take Off Distance:  3300ft
Climb Rate:  2731 feet per minute
Cruise Speed:  312 mph 
Maximum Range:  1854 nautical mile
Cruise Altitude:  35,000 ft

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Old 05-01-2011, 07:01 PM
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May I help out with a little background information, please?

Military Licences and Civilian Licences are indeed separate - I presume that William is flying on a military licence and would indeed need to convert his licence if he wanted to fly as a civilian.

I remember that shortly after her marriage, Sarah Ferguson decided that she wished to learn to fly 'so that she could understand Prince Andrew's job better'. She started by gaining her fixed wing Licence [and was known as 'Chatterbox One' to air traffic controllers because of her habit of chatting away over her radio link]. She next switched to learning how to fly a helicopter; from memory, the lessons were a gift from the late Lord Hanson. After she qualified as a helicopter pilot, it was pointed out that she could in fact do something that Andrew techinically couldn't, because as he was only the holder of a military licence, he couldn't do any 'pleasure flying' in a helicopter.

The Prince of Wales and Prince Philip did indeed fly themselves to enagements. The Prince of Wales even flew shortly after his marriage when, during his honeymoon, when he flew Diana out to meet the Royal Yacht.

Unfortunately, Prince Charles was involved in some controversy back in 1994, when he was flying to the Scottish Island of Islay for an enagement but overshot the runway and crashed. The plane was very badly damaged indeed and indeed it cost a lot of [taxpayers'] money to repair.

During the subsequent enquiry, Prince Charles was 'exonerated', because although he was fully in charge of the aircraft, he was regarded only as a passenger because was not the 'Captain' of the flight, who was a senior Air Force Officer. I can remember the incident well - there was a bit of an outcry saying that the Air Force Officer was being used as a scapegoat for Prince Charles etc etc. It was subsequently announced however the Prince Charles would never fly himself on an enagement again, which was widely seen as tacit acknowlegement that he had been at fault.

Royals flying has always been a tricky subject. The Duke of Kent [father of the present Duke] was killed during the second world war when piloting a plane. His death is often described as occurring 'when on active service' although my Great Aunt [who remembered the incident very well because of her own war service - she flew delivering planes, as women were not allowed on active combat] told me that there were persistent rumours at the highest level that the Duke of Kent had been flying after having drunk alcohol. Nothing formal about this was ever released to the Public however, as it was embargoed.

One other constraint about Royals flying is the obvious one - 'the heir and the spare' should never fly together, in case of an aviation disaster etc. I believe that the Queen did personally waive this in the case of Prince William - from memory he flew with his parents on their trip to Australia shortly after his birth. There were several other occasions I believe, one being a holiday.

Hope some of this helps,


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Old 11-10-2011, 04:34 AM
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Diana's Cars

I started this thread to talk about Princess Diana's cars. Iv always been curious to know about the cars she owned in her personal life and iv been exceptionally curious about one that iv searched all over the Internet and these threads but can't find any information on its a BMW. I think the Princess had it in 1995 it's either a black or a grey color. It's a 4 door car and iv only seen maybe 2 pictures of it ever. I think one of them was of Diana getting in her BMW after leaving the gym. If anyone knows anything about it or can find pictures of it id really like to see them or hear what you know.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:37 AM
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Prior to getting married, she was seeon in a Renault 4 and a Ford Fiesta.

Whilst marrred to Charles, she typically had Jaguars for official work. Privately, over the years, she was seen driving the following: Jaguar XJ convertible, Audi convertible and Mercedes SL. She was also seen in Rover 600s and Ford Sierra from time to time - these typically belonged to the royal fleet and she occassionally drove them herself.

After she was divorced, her "work" car was a BMW 7 series, and privately she had a BMW 3 series.
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:17 AM
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Diana's last car was a BMW 5er. It was dark blue!
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Old 01-16-2012, 04:57 AM
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This may belong in the jubilee thread.

A proposal has been made to replace the Royal Yacht for the jubilee.

Queen deserves new Royal yacht as Jubilee present - Telegraph

Personally I think it's a dreadful idea. Much as I would like the Royal Yacht to be replaced at some time, now is just the wrong time. Given the recession it is bound to stir up controversy and puts the Queen in an impossible position, if she indicates she approves then she is being extravagant when everyone else is being asked to tighten their belts; if she indicates she does not there is a risk of her being seen as ungrateful.
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:46 PM
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Where are these yachts usually built? Is the yacht-making industry in danger of collapse? (It doesn't look like a regular yacht, more like a passenger barge - at least the one they have now does). Perhaps the art of making these is endangered?

Okay, I'm reaching at straws. The one she has looks beautiful and I wonder how often it's really used.

I'm also wondering how early people are going to line the Thames if in fact HM is going to be on that yacht on June 1 (I believe that's the date).

Oh, and I agree that it would be great if something permanent were done to mark the Queen's Diamond Jubilee.
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:18 PM
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There has been a big misunderstanding here, propogated by the Guardian naturally.

Michael Gove was not suggesting that taxpayers money be spent on a new Royal Yacht.

The Times sums up the truth of the matter:

According to The Spectator, which has seen a fuller version of the ministerial letters on the issue, the proposal for a naval training vessel that would double as a new royal yacht was made in a letter from universities minister David Willetts to the Prime Minister on September 5. Rear Admiral Bawtree saw The Future Ship Project for the 21st Century “as a potential replacement for the Royal Yacht Britannia”, Mr Willetts wrote.
“The proposed ship, which will be privately funded with no government subsidy, is to be made available for trade and business events” as well as for scientific and educational work, added Mr Willetts. He said that Prince Charles and Princess Anne had already backed the project.
I've read, although I don't remember precisely where, that a delegation of Canadian businessmen have apparently already pledged funds toward the project. David Cameron has made clear that he supports the idea of a privately funded Royal Yacht so there's a possibility that it might happen.
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:21 PM
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Thanks for the update on this EIIR - I only read the Guardian's report! If it is privately funded and will double as a Navy training ship/royal yacht, then I think it should get approval.......I would want a nice blue ship though!!

I'm not sure I would think a new royal yacht would be approved. The price for a new royal yacht has, I think, been put at £60m, which is a drop in the ocean (so to speak!) compared to the billions wasted on other things. However, the cost of updating/refurbishing Royal Yacht Britannia was put at £11m (back in 1997), so I wonder how much it would cost to start using Royal Yacht Britannia again and whether it could pay for itself by continuing to allow paying visitors (Buckingham Palace get's quite a good revenue when it opens to the public. Just a thought.
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Old 01-16-2012, 02:29 PM
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Prime Minister rules out royal yacht for Queen as more Jubilee details revealed
Diamond Jubilee: David Cameron rules out new royal yacht for Queen -

Cameron dismisses the proposal of giving a yacht Elizabeth II with public money
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Old 01-16-2012, 08:09 PM
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Given the current economic times, I can understand this announcement.
God is in the Details.....
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:27 PM
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Sounds like the Queen may get a Yacht after all. I think the comment about Charles and Anne supporting the plan is interesting. I take it to mean financial support.
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Old 01-16-2012, 11:23 PM
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I didn't think it meant anything like financial support from Charles and Anne but more that they thought it was a good idea and a great way to honour their mother.

They may very well make some financial contribution but then again maybe not.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:29 AM
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I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:06 AM
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If they do make a contribution I doubt that we would be told about it or if we are we won't be told how much - just like we often here that The Queen or Charles have made a contribution to some disaster relief fund - we are never told how much they have donated - could be 5 pounds, 500 pounds, 5,000 pounds or whatever.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:52 AM
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I'm skeptical that the yacht will ever be a reality, not that the royal family might privately donate funds for it if the plans ever become more concrete.
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:03 AM
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Apparently a Canadian consortium has already pledged £10 million and a further private donation of £5 million has also been promised. They haven't yet formally announced the project nor launched the fundraising appeal so they're ahead of the game already. Apparently several well-connected people have been working on this for quite some time.

If they hadn't already received significant donations I would agree that the chances of the yacht happening were slim but you never know.

The big banks in the UK are incredibly unpopular in the UK, for obvious reasons. I could see them making significant donations for PR purposes.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:47 PM
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Why No New Royal Yacht After Britannica?

Hello All!

It's occurred to me every now and again - given how much the Queen and her family are purported to have loved the Britannica and their lives aboard it - why has there not been a new one built? She's a wealthy woman - she could buy one on her own, couldn't she?

Modern yachts are amazing. They could have a really cool yacht if they wanted. I understand that the Britannica was a happy way for the Queen to travel abroad and be able to entertain foreign heads of state at the same time.

Why no more royal yacht?

LATER: I see my thread has been transported here. Okay. Good info. Interesting to think there will be a new yacht. I like the idea. I think yachts are romantic - 'veddy, veddy posh' - in a good way.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:54 PM
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The Queen is unlikely to shell out 100 million pounds+ to by a new yacht and then its subsequent upkeep, which really was a symbol of the UK, and neither is the tax payer. Decommissioning was IMO a bad decision by the "Cool Britannia" government of Tony Blair.
There was some earlier discussion of a new yacht paid for by private sunscription but do not believe that went anywhere either.

The Queen has on occassion hired a ship for private cruises around Scotland, and I believe the private yacht Leander is going to be used as part of her Jubilee travels this summer.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:58 PM
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Thank you for this. So it was a decision of a government. She couldn't stop it? I hear she cried - in public - at its decommissioning. Why in the world did she let it happen?

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