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Old 06-15-2016, 01:57 PM
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Since (I think) CP Mary outranks Kate (right?)...were there any curtseys?


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Its my understanding that HRHs don't have to curtsey to one another
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is this just a comment to pick apart Kate for the sake of unfairly criticizing her.
That was exactly my reaction to this post !
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:01 PM
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Its my understanding that HRHs don't have to curtsey to one another

Hmmm it's never clear to me how it all works....Mary is a CP while Kate is only a Duchess...although since William is there she would default to his rank, IIRC....but even so...while he's a prince he's not the heir yet so wouldn't Mary and her husband outrank them since Crown Prince seems to indicate a higher rank than prince?


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Old 06-15-2016, 02:15 PM
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A couple of observations.

I actually enjoy the hats. If you are to do something, why not go all the way!

Florence Brudelnell-Bruce is described as an old flame of Harry. She's very attractive! Why on earth did he let her go?

I notice the natives, perhaps very prudently, mostly carry umbrellas.

And I like the concept of placing a bet on the color of QMII's hat.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:25 PM
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interesting to see the visitors from outside the UK this year! how come frederik and mary attended specifically this year? since they have never attended previously, either ascot or other british races, i wonder what prompted them coming this year. personal interest? an invitation extended by the brits?
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:41 PM
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interesting to see the visitors from outside the UK this year! how come frederik and mary attended specifically this year? since they have never attended previously, either ascot or other british races, i wonder what prompted them coming this year. personal interest? an invitation extended by the brits?
My guess would be an invitation from the Wessex'es. Since they accompanied M&F. And they know each other well.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:43 PM
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Hmmm it's never clear to me how it all works....Mary is a CP while Kate is only a Duchess...although since William is there she would default to his rank, IIRC....but even so...while he's a prince he's not the heir yet so wouldn't Mary and her husband outrank them since Crown Prince seems to indicate a higher rank than prince?





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They are all Royal Highnesses so nobody needs to bow/curtsey to anyone else, just to the Queen (should they choose to do so).

Nice to see Frederick & Mary with Edward & Sophie.

Love the colour of the Queen's outfit and the baby blue on Sophie, not sure about Sophie's dress though. It looks a little long & doesn't flatter her figure (to me).

Love Camilla's hat but haven't seen a good photo of the rest of her outfit.

Hated Anne's outfit the first time I saw it and, sorry Anne, it hasn't improved.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:43 PM
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interesting to see the visitors from outside the UK this year! how come frederik and mary attended specifically this year? since they have never attended previously, either ascot or other british races, i wonder what prompted them coming this year. personal interest? an invitation extended by the brits?

They were invited guests of HM, DOE but more than likely they were asked by Sophie and Edward.

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Hmmm it's never clear to me how it all works....Mary is a CP while Kate is only a Duchess...although since William is there she would default to his rank, IIRC....but even so...while he's a prince he's not the heir yet so wouldn't Mary and her husband outrank them since Crown Prince seems to indicate a higher rank than prince?





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Ascot isn't such a formal event in that regard. Bows/Curtsies are given to The Queen out of respect in this environment.
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:56 PM
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What a lovely surprise to see the Danish Crown Prince and Princess present today.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:10 PM
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Since (I think) CP Mary outranks Kate (right?)...were there any curtseys?


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No, there were no curtsies. The Cambridge's would bow and curtsey to The Queen of Denmank, but not the Crown Prince and Princess.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:16 PM
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In 2013, the Windsor Forest Stakes were renamed the Duke of Cambridge Stakes.

In 2016, William, the Duke of Cambridge, makes his first appearance.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:29 PM
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Hmmm it's never clear to me how it all works....Mary is a CP while Kate is only a Duchess...although since William is there she would default to his rank, IIRC....but even so...while he's a prince he's not the heir yet so wouldn't Mary and her husband outrank them since Crown Prince seems to indicate a higher rank than prince?


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Probably two hundred years ago they would have followed the rule of precedence as you described it. As far as I know, the pre-revolutionary French court also distinguished between royal princes, princes of the blood and so on. Nowadays, when it comes to greetings and addressing the style (HM,HRH...) is what matters. This way, Frederik, Mary, William and Catherine are all equal.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:41 PM
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Love the colour of the Queen's outfit and the baby blue on Sophie, not sure about Sophie's dress though. It looks a little long & doesn't flatter her figure (to me).

Love Camilla's hat but haven't seen a good photo of the rest of her outfit.

Hated Anne's outfit the first time I saw it and, sorry Anne, it hasn't improved.
Camilla is in a repeat of the outfit she wore on June 6, 2014 for the 70th anniversary of D Day. The coat, dress, hat, shoes and clutch are all the same only the jewelry is different.
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:56 PM
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In 2013, the Windsor Forest Stakes were renamed the Duke of Cambridge Stakes.

In 2016, William, the Duke of Cambridge, makes his first appearance.
Yeah, it has taken him and his wife a while to get to Ascot. Although, it think it's due he and Catherine now stepping up.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:05 PM
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Indeed, a lovely surprise to see the Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary present today

They look to have had a blast.

It's nice to see Frederik and Mary with William and Kate again. I hope William and Kate will be seen mingle more and more with F&M and the other young Crown Prince couple. It could be nice for them.

But lovely to see Frederik and Mary arriving with Edward and Sophie. I have always had the feeling that Mary and Sophie are the type of women who would get along very well. And the two couples have been seen together quite some times. Great.


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Old 06-15-2016, 04:12 PM
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Hmmm it's never clear to me how it all works....Mary is a CP while Kate is only a Duchess...although since William is there she would default to his rank, IIRC....but even so...while he's a prince he's not the heir yet so wouldn't Mary and her husband outrank them since Crown Prince seems to indicate a higher rank than prince?


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Kate is not 'only a duchess'. She is a HRH Princess...., Duchess is simply her husband's peerage. As Sophie is not simply a Countess. HRH's don't bow to one another. HRH bow to a HM, but not one another. Kate isn't referred to as Princess as she isn't in her own right, and they would have to call her Princess William. Unlike Princess Michael, Kate has her husband's peerage to go by instead.

Nice to see Fred and Mary there. They seemed to be having a good visit with the Wessexes. Though Sophie and Edward know all the continental royals, they seem to have good bond with both Fred and Joachim and their families.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:18 PM
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Hmmm it's never clear to me how it all works....Mary is a CP while Kate is only a Duchess...although since William is there she would default to his rank, IIRC....but even so...while he's a prince he's not the heir yet so wouldn't Mary and her husband outrank them since Crown Prince seems to indicate a higher rank than prince?


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Both Kate and Mary are princesses. Sure Mary is the Crown Princess - the same rank as Camilla but that doesn't mean that Mary isn't also a Princess and I don't think anyone has ever seen Kate curtsey to Camilla so she wouldn't be expected to curtsey to someone else of the same rank.

In the UK the designation Prince/Princess is an indication of someone of lower rank than someone who is a HRH Duchess/Countess as it means they are married to a man who has no title of his own.

When Birgitte married Richard in 1972 she was given the styling of HRH Princess Richard of Gloucester. When he inherited his father's titles she also stopped using the lower styling of Princess and started to use the higher title of Duchess.

Only one married in wife in the UK uses the style of Princess - Princess Michael of Kent. The others, Camilla, Kate, Sophie, Birgitte and Katherine all use Duchess or Countess as their titles because their husbands are peers of the realm while Prince Michael is still a commoner with no additional title to give his wife.
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:34 PM
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Both Kate and Mary are princesses. Sure Mary is the Crown Princess - the same rank as Camilla but that doesn't mean that Mary isn't also a Princess and I don't think anyone has ever seen Kate curtsey to Camilla so she wouldn't be expected to curtsey to someone else of the same rank.
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Curtseying or not curtseying,
Does Prince Charles and Camilla, the equivalent of Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary in Denmark, outrank his son and the wife of his son, or not?
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:48 PM
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Hmmm it's never clear to me how it all works....Mary is a CP while Kate is only a Duchess...although since William is there she would default to his rank, IIRC....but even so...while he's a prince he's not the heir yet so wouldn't Mary and her husband outrank them since Crown Prince seems to indicate a higher rank than prince?

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But both of them are Royal Highnesses, none of them is a "Majesty" - so Mary will only outrank Catherine when she became Queen of Denmark when it comes to curties. Royal Highnesses, normally, do not curtsey each other (yes, we´ve seen exceptions to the rule. But these have been performed just because of personal preference, not for reasons of royal protocol).
When it comes to seatings, walking in a procession etc. heirs to the throne certainly do outrank other prince/esses.

It´s such a treat for a Royalist that both the D and Dss of Cambridge attend Ascot for the first time while also the CP and CPss of Denmark also turn up! For me, only Haakon and Mette-Marit visiting the races could top that!
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:58 PM
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It was a wonderful surprise to see Frederik and Mary attend Ascot today, I wasn't expecting them to attend. It was to see the Cambridges there too for the first time, I liked seeing the photos of Catherine and Mary together. It would be nice, I agree, if the Cambridges could become closer to them, perhaps friendships between the Cambridges and other royals could then form as a result. It bothers me when newspapers/magazines compare Mary and Catherine though, their dresses were totally different today for me, I personally see no comparisons.

I also agree that it's possible that Frederik and Mary got an invitation from the Wessexes, since they've been friendly with each other for a while IIRC. However, HM is also friends with Queen Margrethe so it could have been HM herself who asked them to come.

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Harry has been attending for quite a few years now.
Thanks for answering, I thought so but was still a little unsure. I remember seeing a photo of him at Ascot before, but my memory as a little hazy on that, so wanted to confirm.
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