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Old 12-18-2020, 01:00 PM
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I think that while Andrew was never an angel, the break up of his marriage didn't improve his character. I think he was hurt by Sarah's leaving him.. and he never seems to have had a serious relationship that might end in marriage - perhaps he's never felt able to have a real love affair or trust anyone...but he's remained loyal to her. However that's not good because Sarah always wanted money and I think that by keeping up a close relationship with her, he got dragged into a need to make more and more money in dubious ways. so i feel that as he's grown older he's envious of Charles for being POW, and having a lot more money than he has, even if he's Mum's favourite child. And again that feeling of resentment has made him more unpleasant....
Wiht Edward I think becuase he's so much younger, he hasn't palled up with anyone especially- and there's not the same resentment and tension between him and his older brohter as there is with Andrew....
Well he did propose to Amanda Staveley in 2003, though she didn't accept. I don't think his coparenting with Sarah drove him down the rabbit hole, she was dating other wealthy businessmen at the time. I think it was more retiring from the Navy. Once in the trade ambassador role he was traveling all over, meeting shady business people, he was witnessing the billionaire jetset lifestyle and he wanted a piece of that pie for himself. Couple that with William and Harry getting older and becoming the new adults after Charles, and making Andrew more insignificant at home, well he got increasingly reckless and self-serving. Really, it's the same story of present day Harry in many ways.
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Old 12-18-2020, 01:08 PM
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I think Edward was simply lucky with companions as a child - he is very close to Sarah Chatto and Helen Taylor, whom he refers to as sisters. Same with James Ogilvy whom is an adopted brother. Edward is also very close to the Mountbatten counsins - Ivor, Timothy and David and Nicholas before he passed.
Edward was raised in a packed nursey and has a ready made group of friends and family. I think Andrew was just a bit too old to fit into the group.
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Old 12-18-2020, 03:11 PM
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Well he did propose to Amanda Staveley in 2003, though she didn't accept. I don't think his coparenting with Sarah drove him down the rabbit hole, she was dating other wealthy businessmen at the time. I think it was more retiring from the Navy. Once in the trade ambassador role he was traveling all over, meeting shady business people, he was witnessing the billionaire jetset lifestyle and he wanted a piece of that pie for himself. Couple that with William and Harry getting older and becoming the new adults after Charles, and making Andrew more insignificant at home, well he got increasingly reckless and self-serving. Really, it's the same story of present day Harry in many ways.
I think it was both. Sarah dated other men and he dated women.. but they seemed to be unable to move on really.. she would have probably married some other man but I suspect noone rich offered. And Andrew did meet a lot odf dodgy people and got more resentful that he was comparatively poor, that he had an ex wife who was careless with money and to whom he was still loyal... and that he knew when Will got married he was going to slide further down the line of succession....
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Old 12-19-2020, 05:50 AM
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I’m so happy about this ..it’s not surprising that William and Harry would reconnect over first their father having COVID and now this re: their mother. This seems to go hand-in-hand with the earlier info I posted about how relations between Harry, Meghan and the BRF in general are much improved.

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The insider notes, however, that there is a “silver lining” amid the investigation into journalist Martin Bashir’s alleged unethical tactics used to land the interview with the late princess in the 1990s.

“The investigation has had a positive effect on William and Harry’s relationship,” the source explains. “They’ve bonded over it and are speaking more frequently on Zoom and WhatsApp. William has come to terms with the reasons behind Harry’s decision to leave the royal family and is happy to see his brother so settled, and Harry’s come to the realization that he no longer wants a dark cloud hanging over his head.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usm...interview/amp/
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Old 01-04-2021, 04:31 PM
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Here is Robert Lacey's interview with Elle magazine in which he discusses what he believes is the current state of the relationship between the Wales brothers.


https://www.elle.com/culture/celebri...cey-interview/
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Old 01-04-2021, 04:40 PM
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I don't think he says very much at all.
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Old 01-04-2021, 05:16 PM
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He rehashes what he's serialized earlier this year when he was promoting his book. However I did discover that his original idea was to cover the relationship between Charles and Andrew.


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What compelled you to write this book?

I had been starting work on a book about Charles and Andrew and the previous generation, and the stresses and strains of Charles having a younger brother who was his mother’s favorite. At that stage, things were just coming to a head with the Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein scandal, and a friend said that they’re not princes that matter anymore, and the princes that matter are William and Harry. They’re the ones you should be looking at.
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Old 01-04-2021, 05:56 PM
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I think the original idea would have been better. Sure, Wills and Harry are the current event and sell more, but nobody knows much about Charles and Andrew except that they aren't terrifically keen on one another, and there must be far more content there.
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Old 01-04-2021, 07:58 PM
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He rehashes what he's serialized earlier this year when he was promoting his book. However I did discover that his original idea was to cover the relationship between Charles and Andrew.
Don't be upset, but I refuse to read anything that Robert Lacey says anymore...

Yes, I did post about his Andrew/Charles idea in thread about his book. Here's my original post. Interesting how Lacey says "a friend" and not Peter Morgan, lol.

Personally I’m glad Lacey changed his mind because it’s clear every time he’s interviewed that he loathes Charles, but...I loathe this comment because it’s completely disrespectful to Charles. I understand what be means, but Morgan is essentially erasing everything that the PoW has done. The idea that Lacey could be swayed, when presumably - like most authors - he put a lot of thought into the subject of his next book, shows his utter lack of conviction. In fact, he'd already STARTED the book. I can't stand him.


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The royal author had originally planned to write about Prince Charles and Prince Andrew, but he dropped that plan after talking to The Crown creator Peter Morgan, who advised: "They aren’t the princes that matter any more.”
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/cel...wn-consultant/
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Old 01-04-2021, 08:56 PM
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Don't be upset, but I refuse to read anything that Robert Lacey says anymore..
This is my upset face. LOL



It's a shame that Charles is referred to as a "Prince that doesn't matter anymore."
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Old 01-04-2021, 09:23 PM
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This is my upset face. LOL



It's a shame that Charles is referred to as a "Prince that doesn't matter anymore."
It’s pathetic, but I don’t take these comments seriously as it’s clear that Lacey and Morgan have their own agendas. Still, it is sad that they both ignore all the good that Charles has done...They might do well to remember that he, not a William, is the next monarch....no matter how hard they wish it were otherwise.
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:23 AM
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Robert Lacey also spoke to People Magazine on Harry & Meghan's relationship with the Royal Family. The article itself is basically summarising what happened to Harry & Meghan in 2020 and including sources close to the couple.

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Changed the Royal Family Forever: 'They Don’t Regret Their Move'
"Meghan and Harry took a huge leap of faith to embark on their new life," a source close to the couple tells PEOPLE in this week's cover story
https://people.com/royals/meghan-mar...t-regret-move/

Here are some parts of the article that mentioned Robert Lacey and "insider sources":
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One year ago, Meghan Markle and Prince Harry announced their decision to step away from royal duty — a departure that would change the royal family forever.

"Meghan and Harry took a huge leap of faith to embark on their new life," a source close to the couple tells PEOPLE in this week's cover story.

It was a leap that would reshape not just the royal family but the monarchy too.

Harry, 36, who long felt marginalized by the role of "spare" in the line of succession—an issue that has plagued generations of royal siblings, including Queen Elizabeth’s sister, Princess Margaret — "finally found a solution," says royal historian Robert Lacey, "which is essentially to get out and start a new life. To stay in the royal system is to go along with subservience to those more senior than you. He has asserted his own identity."

This "progressive new role," as the couple described it in their previous statement outlining the change — including earning their own income — offered a fresh start. "It was always their dream to be financially independent and pay their own way," says the source close to the couple. With that dream finally realized, "The year started out with a lot of excitement and anticipation," says a source close to the prince. "Harry was finally doing what he’d wanted to do for years, and to have Meghan and [19-month-old son] Archie with him was all he could have asked for."
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"Despite everything that has been going on this year, they don’t regret their move to the U.S.," says an insider. "They love that they are able to focus on projects and causes that are important to them."
To put it bluntly, I found Robert Lacey's interview very distasteful and disgusting. I think it's a big slap at the working royals not just The Queen, Prince of Wales and Duke of Cambridge, but also those not in the direct line of succession (Princess Royal, Earl of Wessex, Duke of Gloucester, Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra). To imply that they "go along with subservience" by serving the country and supporting The Queen (as working royals) showed that Robert Lacey denigrate the Royal Family and role of constitutional monarchy. Even worse, Robert Lacey assumes that the senior working royals not in the direct line of succession "feel inferior" to those in seniority. It just absurd to suggest that they are "marginalised" and not close to other members of the Royal Family.
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:42 AM
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What I found distasteful about the entire thing is the implication that by Harry and Meghan sailing off to life in the Golden State that they have drastically changed the face of the British Royal Family forever more and probably a day after that.

That is absurd. The British Royal Family wasn't diminished by the light going out that illuminated them all the by sunrays shining off of Harry's ginger hair. The "Firm" continued on doing what it does best by supporting the British people even in the time of a pandemic. From where I sit, it looked like Harry and Meghan and the "Sussex brand" was hardly missed at all.

Sheesh... talk about an exaggeration!!
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:48 AM
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Indeed. I think that people in thre UK have more to think about than Harry moving away.. now. HE and Meg showed where their hearts were tending when they headed straight for LA when the borders were closing...
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Old 01-08-2021, 05:28 PM
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Indeed. I think that people in thre UK have more to think about than Harry moving away.. now. HE and Meg showed where their hearts were tending when they headed straight for LA when the borders were closing...
Exactly, nobody is really caring, they raised the legal cases which is in effect keeping them in the news but other than that nobody would actually give them a second thought.

The royal family have managed without them, I am not saying they are not missing them as family members, but they have all stood up and got on with their work.

good luck to them in their new life, but people move on,
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Old 01-08-2021, 06:24 PM
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First of all, Robert Lacey is not an official spokesman for Harry and Meghan though he is a respected historian, author and biographer.

In spite of objections to the term here, monarchy by its very nature is an hierarchical system, which means that all British royals serve the Queen as sovereign and are therefore indeed subservient to her.

It might be too, that Lacey may be looking at the bigger picture in the future. That is a future in which spares could well not be pressed or feel obligated to serve the monarchy all their lives but may be free to choose their own path through life.

After all, we don't know if someone like Princess Margaret, had she received an adequate education might not have been happier making a career for herself, perhaps in the Arts field, rather that having a life of Royal engagements until old age.

In other words, the departure of Harry and Meghan from Royal working life may well have implications for monarch's younger children and grandchildren in the future. We don't know in fact if Charlotte and Louis will choose a life in the service of the monarchy in Britain or one outside.

It might be that Harry and Meghan's departure may have sparked some discussion among senior royals as to whether future spares can have lives and careers, very different to their predecessors and in the way managed in royal families in Europe.

I believe that is more what Lacey was referring to, and if he was then Harry and Meghan's departure has indeed changed the BRF.
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Old 01-08-2021, 06:46 PM
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Then there's the case of the Duke of Gloucester who's not even a spare to the throne (and never was since birth, his closest was 5th), but ended his architectural career to take on the subservient road and still does ...
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Old 01-08-2021, 07:07 PM
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Prince Richard ended his architectural career in 1972, because at that time he was expected to take on some royal duties on behalf of the Crown as his ailing father could no longer do so and his brother was dead. That was in the Britain of 1972, a completely different and much more deferential and unquestioning country than today's UK.

It's not expected nowadays for a plethora of the monarch's cousins and other extended relatives to give up their private lives to serve the Crown. Then it was.

In Charles's reign it will be a very much smaller band of royals performing Royal engagements full time and in William's reign (if there is still a monarchy) it will almost certainly be smaller still. I certainly don't expect Charlotte or Louis to be taking on fulltime royal duties. And that will be the difference.
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Then there's the case of the Duke of Gloucester who's not even a spare to the throne (and never was since birth, his closest was 5th), but ended his architectural career to take on the subservient road and still does ...
And serve his country and supported The Queen (paternal cousin) with little or no fuss. He is certainly do not "feel marginalised" by other members of the Royal Family, judging by his comment on the Press focusing more on younger royals rather than himself.

I really dislike the "so called modern/contemporary" idea that you have to challenge, rebel or speak out against the system, otherwise you are submissive to the hierarchy or part of the problem. It's basically freedom of choice when it suits the progressive narrative (like equality when it suits the narrative). Unfortunately, this is what I interpreted it when I read Robert Lacey's interview.

Yes, Prince Louis and Princess Charlotte may not be working royals in Charles' or even William's reign, but that is because of royal family members are living longer and physically able to take more duties. Another significant reason is the slimming down of the Monarchy. It's not solely because of Harry & Meghan leaving the Firm. I think it's sheer arrogance that Lacey came to the conclusion that Harry & Meghan changed system on how the Royal Family decided who should be working royals.
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My bad, I thought Princess Margaret and Prince Richard were in the same generation

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After all, we don't know if someone like Princess Margaret, had she received an adequate education might not have been happier making a career for herself, perhaps in the Arts field, rather that having a life of Royal engagements until old age.
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