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Old 02-20-2020, 03:43 AM
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I thought it was a bit odd that they mentioned his birthday on social media given he has pretty much gone to ground and all the controversy surrounding his birthday in the media.

Yeah am sure Andrew would be hurt, especially as his own mother was not there. I know Edward goes skiing every February (assuming its school hols over there) so that is understandable but looking at the Court Circular Charles did not even have an engagement on the 19th and surely Anne and the Queen could not have scheduled one on that date.

it is a bid sad when your ex wife is begging for people to come
what does he expect? Even if some of the RF don't believe he did anything very wrong, or the queen is still being seen with him at times, he cannot expect that most of his family wotn be angry and upset that his behaviour has caused such a scandal and left them short of another worker. I think tat Charles was indeed angry at his behaviour itself and at how it impacted on the RF and no doubt felt angry that his elderly mother was having to face all this embarrassment at her age. A quiet few drinks might be appropriate for his birthday in the circumstances but a party seems ridiculous.
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I thought it was a bit odd that they mentioned his birthday on social media given he has pretty much gone to ground and all the controversy surrounding his birthday in the media.

Yeah am sure Andrew would be hurt, especially as his own mother was not there. I know Edward goes skiing every February (assuming its school hols over there) so that is understandable but looking at the Court Circular Charles did not even have an engagement on the 19th and surely Anne and the Queen could not have scheduled one on that date.

it is a bid sad when your ex wife is begging for people to come
You haven't read the CC for the 19th February:

The Queen had four engagements - one away from BP, a Privy Council meeting and two audiences (Rees-Mogg and Boris)

Charles had 3

Camilla had 2

Anne had 4


Buckingham Palace

The Queen this morning opened the Royal National Ear, Nose and Throat and Eastman Dental Hospitals, University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, 47-49 Huntley Street, London WC1, and was received by Her Majestyís Lord-Lieutenant of Greater London (Sir Kenneth Olisa), the Chairman of the Trust (the Baroness Neuberger), Professor Marcel Levi (Chief Executive) and the Mayor of the London Borough of Camden (Councillor Maryam Eslamdoust).

Her Majesty, escorted by the Chief Executive, visited the Auditory Implant Centre, viewing a timeline display of the history of the Hospitals and demonstrations of a cochlear implant and a rotatory chair, and meeting clinicians and patients.

The Queen viewed the Dental Bay and a demonstration of equipment on the Adult Dental Treatment Floor, and met patients and members of staff.

Her Majesty subsequently visited the Paediatric Dental and Ear, Nose and Throat Floor, viewing the treatment area and meeting groups of patients who have benefited from the Hospitalsí care and their families.

The Queen held a Council at 5.30pm.

There were present: the Rt Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP (Lord President), the Rt Hon Oliver Dowden MP, the Rt Hon Brandon Lewis MP, the Rt Hon Alok Sharma MP and the Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP.

Mrs Sue-Ellen Braverman MP, Mr George Eustice MP, Ms Amanda Milling MP and Mrs Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP were sworn in as members of Her Majestyís Most Honourable Privy Council.

The following took the Oath of Office or made affirmation, kissed hands upon appointment and received the Seals of Office: the Rt Hon Rishi Sunak MP (as Chancellor of the Exchequer), the Rt Hon Alok Sharma MP (as Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy), the Rt Hon George Eustice MP (as Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs), the Rt Hon Brandon Lewis MP (as Secretary of State for Northern Ireland), the Rt Hon Oliver Dowden MP (as Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport) and the Rt Hon Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP (as Secretary of State for International Development).

Mr Richard Tilbrook was in attendance as Clerk of the Council.

The Rt Hon Jacob Rees-Mogg MP had an audience of Her Majesty before the Council.

The Rt Hon Boris Johnson MP (Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury) had an audience of The Queen this evening.

Clarence House

The Prince of Wales, Colonel, Welsh Guards, this morning held a Regimental Council Meeting at Clarence House.

His Royal Highness this afternoon held a Sustainable Markets Council Meeting.

The Prince of Wales afterwards received Mr Brian Moynihan (Chief Executive Officer, Bank of America).

The Duchess of Cornwall this afternoon visited Granville Youth and Community Centre, 140 Carlton Vale, London NW6, to celebrate Brent ďBorough of Culture 2020Ē, and was received by Miss Mei Sim Lai (Deputy Lieutenant of Greater London).

Her Royal Highness afterwards visited Kiln Theatre, 269 Kilburn High Road, London NW6.

Buckingham Palace

Today is the Anniversary of the Birthday of The Duke of York.

St Jamesís Palace

The Princess Royal this morning received His Excellency Mr George Brandis (High Commissioner for the Commonwealth of Australia) and Commodore Guy Holthouse, Royal Australian Navy (Head Australian Defence Staff London).

Her Royal Highness, Honorary Air Commodore, University of London Air Squadron, received Squadron Leader Kenneth McCann, Royal Air Force, upon relinquishing his appointment as Officer Commanding and Squadron Leader Christopher Pearson, Royal Air Force upon assuming the appointment.

The Princess Royal, Patron, Sense International, received the Lord Levy upon assuming his appointment of President.

Mr Richard Kramer (Chief Executive Officer) was present.

Her Royal Highness, Patron, Livability, this afternoon visited Livability Brookside House, Ash Close, Edgware, Middlesex, and was received by Mr Martin Russell (Deputy Lieutenant of Greater London).

The Princess Royal, Master, the Corporation of Trinity House, this evening attended a Younger Brethrenís Dinner at Trinity House, Tower Hill, London EC3.

Kensington Palace

The Duchess of Gloucester, Patron, Royal Papworth Hospital NHS Foundation Trust, today received Professor John Wallwork (Chairman of the Board of Directors) and Mr Stephen Posey (Chief Executive).

St Jamesís Palace

The Duke of Kent, Chancellor, University of Surrey, this afternoon gave a Lunch at Buckingham Palace to mark the Fifth Anniversary of the 5G Innovation Centre.

His Royal Highness, President, King Edward VIIís Hospital (Sister Agnes), later attended a Tea for longstanding supporters at Agnes Keyser House, 55-56 Beaumont Street, London W1, to mark the One Hundred and Twentieth Anniversary of the first patient admission.


It was one of the busiest days of the year.

The Cambridge's and Wessex's are having this week off and the only other working royals who didn't do engagements were the Duke of Gloucester and Princess Alexandra.
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^cheers for that, I must have got the dates totally mixed up. I still feel a bit sorry for Andrew though.
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Old 02-20-2020, 05:54 AM
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^cheers for that, I must have got the dates totally mixed up. I still feel a bit sorry for Andrew though.
Why? If he had any sense eh would go away and take a long holiday till things calm down.. I can't see how a party would be very enjoyable, anyway in the circumtancesÖ.
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:23 AM
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I know this could easily go in the Relationships thread, but Iím posting it here because itís so very tied in to Charles having tested positive for the virus.

Iím glad that Charles and William have grown closer (which I knew) and that Harry is setting aside his anger at both. Rifts and such seem so silly now - all any of us have is family. Iím sure Charles is happy that the brotherly bond is healing - so am I. One day, hopefully in the distant future, their father and grandparents wonít be here, and all they will truly have is each other.


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"Charles and William have grown closer in the past year, especially during the contentious negotiations with Harry over his exit from royal life. Harry had been very angry with both of them," said the Palace insider. "None of that seems important in light of what's going on now."

The insider continued: "Charles has been talking to both his sons and reassuring them that he's feeling well enough to carry on from Birkhall and is taking precautions. The prince wants his sons to look after their own families. Everyone was together at Commonwealth Day services so there is some anxiety, but the princes have been staying in touch to make sure everyone is all right."

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Old 03-27-2020, 10:30 AM
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I know this could easily go in the Relationships thread, but Iím posting it here because itís so very tied in to Charles having tested positive for the virus.

Iím glad that Charles and William have grown closer (which I knew) and that Harry is setting aside his anger at both. Rifts and such seem so silly now - all any of us have is family. Iím sure Charles is happy that the brotherly bond is healing - so am I. One day, hopefully in the distant future, their father and grandparents wonít be here, and all they will truly have is each other.





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both of tehm have their own partners and children...
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Old 03-27-2020, 10:43 AM
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both of tehm have their own partners and children...
Come on, really? Sometimes I think you disagree just to disagree. Obviously I know they have their own families, but after Charles dies, they wonít have any parents left - their immediate family will be down to two of them. It would be a terrible thing for them to remain estranged, especially after being so close as boys and young men. The fact that they have families doesnít detract from this very basic point.
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Old 03-27-2020, 11:02 AM
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Come on, really? Sometimes I think you disagree just to disagree. Obviously I know they have their own families, but after Charles dies, they wonít have any parents left - their immediate family will be down to two of them. It would be a terrible thing for them to remain estranged, especially after being so close as boys and young men. The fact that they have families doesnít detract from this very basic point.
I don't know if they are estranged at all... though I think there was a chill at Westminster Abbey... but I suspect that was more to do with their wives being present. And Harry seems to be the one saying that his "little family" is his primary responsibility.. now so possibly he has detached from the RF as a whole.... For the record, I think that while they love each other, after a certain age they were not all THAT close, as they were young men, living different lives.
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Old 03-27-2020, 11:05 AM
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I don't know if they are estranged at all... though I think there was a chill at Westminster Abbey... but I suspect that was more to do with their wives being present. And Harry seems to be the one saying that his "little family" is his primary responsibility.. now so possibly he has detached from the RF as a whole.... For the record, I think that while they love each other, after a certain age they were not all THAT close, as they were young men, living different lives.
By all accounts, there was a rift........and, I think you're missing my overall point. Even as young men, living different lives, they could still be emotionally close even if not physically. Based on everything I've read, they WERE close....until the rift. I really don't wish to debate this.. I really didn't think there was anything controversial in what I said, lol
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Old 03-27-2020, 11:09 AM
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I don't know if they are estranged at all... though I think there was a chill at Westminster Abbey... but I suspect that was more to do with their wives being present. And Harry seems to be the one saying that his "little family" is his primary responsibility.. now so possibly he has detached from the RF as a whole.... For the record, I think that while they love each other, after a certain age they were not all THAT close, as they were young men, living different lives.
I actually agree with you. I don't think Harry and William have been all that close in a long time. They are brothers and they did what they had to do for optics. But that is the entire family in general, IMO.

These very sweet and timely "everyone is great" reports add on to that. I take everything, positive and negative, with a grain of salt. Right now the PR is a spinning from all angles and understandably so.
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Old 03-27-2020, 11:15 AM
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I actually agree with you. I don't think Harry and William have been all that close in a long time. They are brothers and they did what they had to do for optics. But that is the entire family in general, IMO.

These very sweet and timely "everyone is great" reports add on to that. I take everything, positive and negative, with a grain of salt. Right now the PR is a spinning from all angles and understandably so.
I don't mean they were on bad terms, I think they just weren't as close as some wished to think them. They socialised with their own groups of friends, as they got older. William was in a relationship with Kate going back a long time, and I don't think he and Harry were on double dates with Kate and H's latest girl every weekend. and since His marriage, I think Harry has been on a path away from his own family.. and from things he's said, it seems like he considers Meg and Archie are his "little family" now. I think for what its worth that Meg and Kate have not taken to each other either...
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Old 03-27-2020, 11:16 AM
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I'm sure he'll be fine. People are being asked to self-isolate at home, but the most serious cases are being taken to hospital, so the fact that he's at Birkhall is a good sign.
It's indeed a good sign that so far he can stay at home. However, that he is relatively fine now is no guarantee that it will remain that way. Apparently, the situation for Covid-19 patients can turn bad really quickly. Nonetheless, I hope Charles is one of the large majority that does not need hospitalization.
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Old 03-27-2020, 11:40 AM
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I don't mean they were on bad terms, I think they just weren't as close as some wished to think them. They socialised with their own groups of friends, as they got older. William was in a relationship with Kate going back a long time, and I don't think he and Harry were on double dates with Kate and H's latest girl every weekend. and since His marriage, I think Harry has been on a path away from his own family.. and from things he's said, it seems like he considers Meg and Archie are his "little family" now. I think for what its worth that Meg and Kate have not taken to each other either...
I don't mean it either. You don't have to be on bad terms to not be close. I think we all have people in our lives we have no ill will toward, probably enjoy their company here and there, yet still aren't especially close to them.

I very much agree with you. People wanted this image of the two inseparable brothers but I think that was more media than reality. They are brothers. They come together doing family/work events but mostly had their own lives. Nothing wrong with that. Probably the media building up them likely created most of this tension.

Meghan and Kate likely don't go one way or another. They have no real relationship. They are the wives of brothers and were forced to play into more of the optics. And honestly trying to force some Fab Four nonsense was never going to work. I don't any of them hate each other but I am also sure they are fine to be away from each other too.
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I don't mean it either. You don't have to be on bad terms to not be close. I think we all have people in our lives we have no ill will toward, probably enjoy their company here and there, yet still aren't especially close to them.

I very much agree with you. People wanted this image of the two inseparable brothers but I think that was more media than reality. They are brothers. They come together doing family/work events but mostly had their own lives. Nothing wrong with that. Probably the media building up them likely created most of this tension.

Meghan and Kate likely don't go one way or another. They have no real relationship. They are the wives of brothers and were forced to play into more of the optics. And honestly trying to force some Fab Four nonsense was never going to work. I don't any of them hate each other but I am also sure they are fine to be away from each other too.
I don't think Meg and Kate are at all friendly. I thought at the time fo the weddng that Kate looked very tense.. and I think that the 2 couples were just polite to each other at the Commonwealth service. I thnk that there is tension between them as couples, perhaps not a rift between the brothers but probably some uneasy feeling.
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I don't think Meg and Kate are at all friendly. I thought at the time fo the weddng that Kate looked very tense.. and I think that the 2 couples were just polite to each other at the Commonwealth service. I thnk that there is tension between them as couples, perhaps not a rift between the brothers but probably some uneasy feeling.
I don't think they ever were. They were civil because they had no choice. They are two women who didn't know each other. The media wanted them to be BFFs or enemies. I don't think they are either. I think they flow with their husbands to be honest. I never thought their was any great beef between the ladies but I also don't think any effort was made to be friends except for optics like Duchess Day at Wimbledon. That is now done for good.
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I'm an only child so maybe that is why I don't get this. I think William and Harry love each other but are not as close as it was portrayed. They are very different personalities. I also think there may be a rift; of the K love you but I don't like you right now. I think this is normal at times and when push comes to shove they will be there for each other.

As far as Catherine and Meghan, I agree the media wanted them BFF or mortal enemies.They seem to have a cordial relationship. They are 2 different people, with very different personalities and were at different stages of their lives.

To be honest, impo, I never brought into the BRF is a super tight knit group. They all seem to do their own thing with minimal oversight from HM. The "men in grey" may think otherwise.
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Like I said, you donít have to be physically close to someone to be emotionally close...but regardless, I believe there was a rift. I believe in the saying ďwhere thereís smoke, thereís fireĒ. I believe that Harry was upset with his father and brother. So, for me, while I never would ever have wished Charles to be ill, Iím glad it has brought them closer together. I donít suppose thereís ever going to be real ďproofĒ of anything, so ultimately itís up to us individually to believe or disbelieve, to form our own opinions.
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I'm an only child so maybe that is why I don't get this. I think William and Harry love each other but are not as close as it was portrayed. They are very different personalities. I also think there may be a rift; of the K love you but I don't like you right now. I think this is normal at times and when push comes to shove they will be there for each other.

As far as Catherine and Meghan, I agree the media wanted them BFF or mortal enemies.They seem to have a cordial relationship. They are 2 different people, with very different personalities and were at different stages of their lives.

To be honest, impo, I never brought into the BRF is a super tight knit group. They all seem to do their own thing with minimal oversight from HM. The "men in grey" may think otherwise.
I agree. I remember reading here about all the backstabbing in that family. People who felt outshined by others (Charles by his own sons, etc). Far too many people making decisions that mainly benefitted themselves. Etc... seems like a seriously complicated family. Which is exactly why it surprises me so much when people put all of the blame on Meghan. Like everything was perfect before she showed up. It seems more like she wasn't so much the cause but more of a catalyst.

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I'm an only child so maybe that is why I don't get this. I think William and Harry love each other but are not as close as it was portrayed. They are very different personalities. I also think there may be a rift; of the K love you but I don't like you right now. I think this is normal at times and when push comes to shove they will be there for each other.

As far as Catherine and Meghan, I agree the media wanted them BFF or mortal enemies.They seem to have a cordial relationship. They are 2 different people, with very different personalities and were at different stages of their lives.

To be honest, impo, I never brought into the BRF is a super tight knit group. They all seem to do their own thing with minimal oversight from HM. The "men in grey" may think otherwise.
Its also very possible that we're blurring the lines between a personal relationship and a professional one. A lot of the "rift" rumors seem, to me, to stem from differences of opinion and perhaps disagreeing on how to move the "Firm" into the future with both Harry and William settling into their full time royal roles. Its like a catalyst event similar to siblings disagreeing on which tie their father should be buried in. As time passes and the stages of grief pass, everything goes back to normal once again.

We really don't know what these people's relationship with each other on a personal level is. I do agree with them not being super tight group as all of them have very busy day planners with the work they do, their own family and their own circles of friends so they don't gather together that often. Andrew was quoted as saying this in Robert Hardman's book, "Our Queen".

Emotions and tensions were probably in overdrive with the recent developments with the Sussexes but, like the stages of grief, as time passes, things may return to being more on an even keel as everyone reaches acceptance of what is.
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We really don't know what these people's relationship with each other on a personal level is. I do agree with them not being super tight group as all of them have very busy day planners with the work they do, their own family and their own circles of friends so they don't gather together that often. Andrew was quoted as saying this in Robert Hardman's book, "Our Queen".
I don't think Andrew's relationship with his siblings can be compared to William and Harry's relationship with each other. There is a much smaller age gap, they share a very defining moment, Harry spoke about how it was his brother who encouraged him to seek mental health, and they have (or had) lots of friends in common. So, while of course each had their own life. Until a few years ago, it was clear that they were rather close; unfortunately, that is no longer the case.
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