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Old 10-22-2019, 11:21 AM
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Old 10-22-2019, 12:15 PM
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I think it's time the family have a big private meeting pronto. Figure out a way to handle all this.

It would do wonders if there could be some joint appearances (other than family holiday settings). Doesn't have to be all of them at one time....Meghan and Camilla, Sophie and Meghan, Anne and Meghan, Beatrice and Meghan, Sophie and Camilla etc. They all stay in their own 'boxes' too much IMO. It just lends to the idea of family disharmony.


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I don't know if that would help much.
When Meghan attended Wimbledon with Kate and Pippa, there were lots of sneers about how staged it was.

And at this point, it would probably be too little too late, as someone said.
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Old 10-22-2019, 12:58 PM
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Have Kings really brothers?

In a trailer for the upcoming movie "King Henry" Falstaff says: King have not friends - only vasalls and foes.

But have they brothers? As kids perhaps. But later on one will become King and the other step by step the no longer needed Spare-Part-Prince, not much more than a mere noble man (but much poorer than some).

Is this a good basis for a brotherly relationship? Only if they accept, that it is what it is!
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Old 10-22-2019, 01:04 PM
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In the past Royal 'younger brothers' were very often a serious threat... but these days they cannot 'bump off' their elder brother to gain power.. sibling rivalry in inevitable in almost every such relationship.. Royal Families are no exception,,
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Old 10-22-2019, 02:01 PM
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I have no doubt Harry knows his place in the family.
I have absolutely no doubt that at one time Harry both knew and understood very well the place he occupies in the hierarchy. However, I also think that for some reason, be it the influence of his wife, a change in his mental health, a sudden realization of time passing and mortality and the inevitable fact that in the not so distant future all of their places will change, or maybe a combination of all of those things and more, he decided he was no longer content to live and work and function within that spot. I really think there's a pretty drastic shake up occurring at the moment on the Sussex front and I find myself more and more sure that the rest of the family is simply trying to figure out what to make of it and how (or even whether) they should step in in some way. It happens, I've been there. I've watched a family member or two seemingly spiral with no real clear indication of what precipitated it or what might be the cause and we all had to watch for a bit to figure out if and when to step in and how to do that. I do think, though, that this documentary might very well be the straw the broke the camel's back or the final catalyst that will induce some sort of action by the family and that six week break might be that first step in a series of actions yet to come. I'm not even really sure that we, the public, might see or know about all of the steps or actions but we might see some of it play out in public.
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Old 10-22-2019, 03:28 PM
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Some interesting things in this article--

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...archy-despite/

here is one of them--

"Another told the Evening Standard that the Duchess, who told the programme “not many people ask me if I’m ok”, had been offered support by senior members of the Royal Family including the Queen and Prince of Wales who had "gone out of their way" to help".
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Old 02-18-2020, 08:56 AM
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The thread is now re-opened. Please be sure to keep your comments about family relationships and not turn this into a discussion about the media. There is a separate thread to discuss Meghan and Harry’s future, so please don’t bring that discussion over here.

Since none of us truly know the relationships between members of the BRF, there is of course going to be a bit of speculation that comes with discussing this topic. But let’s try to stick with factual based information and steer clear of the more fanciful and wild types of rumor and gossip.
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Old 02-19-2020, 03:38 AM
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Has Andrew fallen out with his siblings? None of them are going to Andrew's 60th, even the Queen isnt going- Edward's skiing with his family and the rest all have engagements. I know there was no longer to be a public celebration but it strikes me odd that none of them are going as they are all 'busy'...afterall you only turn 60 once.

https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/r...-a4365006.html
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:37 AM
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I believe Andrew addressed this himself in Robert Hardman's book, "Our Queen". I'm writing here from memory but he does talk about how hard it is for the family to get together. Its one of the down sides of being part of the British Royal Family. Everybody has full calendars and busy lives.

I don't think family not being on hand to celebrate Andrew's 60th is a reflection on how they feel about him but rather adhering to their own duties and commitments and things put into their day planners quite a bit ahead of time.

With Andrew living at Royal Lodge and the Queen being in residence at Windsor Castle on the weekends and Edward and Sophie and their family living in the neighborhood also, they very well could see each other from time to time that just isn't made public. I know we've seen Andrew out riding with his mother on the Windsor estate.

I think the next time we will see the family gather en masse will be at Trooping the Color in June.
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Old 02-19-2020, 05:07 AM
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William and Charles are closer than ever since Harry left...I know theyíve had a complicated relationship, so Iím truly happy to see this. Complicated doesnít mean unloving, but still and all, itís lovely to see, especially with all thatís happened recently ..

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Charles has been incredibly supportive of William in recent weeks because he has such a lot going on,' the royal watcher said.

She added that Harry's withdrawal from royal life would also motivate Prince Charles to focus his attention on his firstborn.

Charles tends to jam-pack his diary but he's now making a real effort to pencil in time for William,' she explained, adding he would also try to make more time for his grand-children George, six, Charlotte, four and Prince Louis, one.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...mmentator.html

And this from a few days ago...

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Thereís a sense of the family pulling together and presenting a united front and being busier than ever. There has definitely been a shift in Williamís relationship with his father,Ē a family friend said. ďThey are very much a team. With Harry and Meghan overseas, a lot rests on William and the word that keeps coming up is Ďsovereign.í Charles is passionate about sovereignty and how he and his son will be the embodiment of that. I would say it is what drives him and what he is most committed to.Ē

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ďThere was a time when Charles was hurt when William turned down the chance to take over the Princeís Trust and I think he worried about the future, but not now. He has every faith in William and respects and admires the work he and Catherine do with the Royal Foundation,Ē the family friend added.

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Old 02-19-2020, 06:21 AM
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Has Andrew fallen out with his siblings? None of them are going to Andrew's 60th, even the Queen isnt going- Edward's skiing with his family and the rest all have engagements. I know there was no longer to be a public celebration but it strikes me odd that none of them are going as they are all 'busy'...afterall you only turn 60 once.

https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/r...-a4365006.html
Possibly apart from the queen, the others are not too happy with him right now and may feel that while they are not turning him out of their houses, its a bit much to expect them to rejoice at a party when he has created such a scandal....
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Old 02-19-2020, 07:30 AM
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Has Andrew fallen out with his siblings? None of them are going to Andrew's 60th, even the Queen isnt going- Edward's skiing with his family and the rest all have engagements. I know there was no longer to be a public celebration but it strikes me odd that none of them are going as they are all 'busy'...afterall you only turn 60 once.

https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/r...-a4365006.html


I see a couple of things wrong with this;

1: Itís a weekday, a Wednesday to be precise, a big celebration/party is not going to be taking place tonight. Itíll probably if any occur be a weekend.
2: There was never going to be a public celebration, in regards to the flag debacle it has never been a pre-requisite that local councils/buildings fly the flag. They are allowed to do so, should they wish.


If it truly is, displeasure on behalf of the siblings, itís odd considering what weíve had for appearances sake from the royal household is one of solidarity.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:10 AM
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So it took Harry to walk away Charles and William to get close? Is it sincere or for the sake of optics? I would guess a little from column A and B. But that is what the family does. They all need to look unified and I am glad they do.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:27 AM
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So it took Harry to walk away Charles and William to get close? Is it sincere or for the sake of optics? I would guess a little from column A and B. But that is what the family does. They all need to look unified and I am glad they do.
I donít see any reason to be skeptical. Iím sure William has always loved his father, but like many children, it feels like he possibly has never understood him..(hence thinking he and Harry thinking heís an odd fuddy duddy). Maybe they just had different POVs in life, and Iíve always read that both boys resented that Charles didnít spend as much time with them as theyíd have liked when they were young (sounds like Charles re: his parents.

Theyíre working together more closely than ever, thanks to the Harry situation and, of course, the fact that Charles is mentoring his son. So, it seems they understand each other more. Iím sure thereís a concerted effort by the BRF to appear unified, but you canít fake genuine closeness.

This is just my view. I canít speak for anyone else.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:32 AM
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I felt they were putting on a show for the cameras the other day at their engagement but it was understandable. I probably would have as well.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:01 AM
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I donít see any reason to be skeptical. Iím sure William has always loved his father, but like many children, it feels like he possibly has never understood him..(hence thinking he and Harry thinking heís an odd fuddy duddy). Maybe they just had different POVs in life, and Iíve always read that both boys resented that Charles didnít spend as much time with them as theyíd have liked when they were young (sounds like Charles re: his parents.

Theyíre working together more closely than ever, thanks to the Harry situation and, of course, the fact that Charles is mentoring his son. So, it seems they understand each other more. Iím sure thereís a concerted effort by the BRF to appear unified, but you canít fake genuine closeness.

This is just my view. I canít speak for anyone else.
I think Charles has been working on his relationship with William and the grandkids the last couple years. Look at his interaction with young Louis both at his 70 birthday photoshoot and Trooping last year. There was a genuine warmth and closeness there. And you can't just dismiss that as Louis' personality because he wasn't acting like that towards any other member of the BRF with the exception of his parents.

So that foundation and effort was already there. Harry's defection just likely reinforced how much they need each other, and how they are one of the few people the other can trust (even amongst family!). Nobody understands what's on Charles shoulders like William does (and soon George).
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Old 02-19-2020, 10:22 AM
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I think Charles has been working on his relationship with William and the grandkids the last couple years. Look at his interaction with young Louis both at his 70 birthday photoshoot and Trooping last year. There was a genuine warmth and closeness there. And you can't just dismiss that as Louis' personality because he wasn't acting like that towards any other member of the BRF with the exception of his parents.

So that foundation and effort was already there. Harry's defection just likely reinforced how much they need each other, and how they are one of the few people the other can trust (even amongst family!). Nobody understands what's on Charles shoulders like William does (and soon George).
Those 70th photos are my favorites - George on Charlesí lap and Louis grabbing his face are so precious. William said in the Charles at 70 special that they wish de could slow down now and relax, spend more time with the grandchildren as heís ďbrilliantĒ with them. I doubt relaxation is in the cards anytime soon, but spending more time with George, Charlotte and Louis is...

Your last point is spot on. I think as Charles understood the magnitude of his motherís responsibilities, he likely started to realize that itís hard to be a parent and monarch/heir to be at the same time. Obviously at some point heís gotten closer to the Queen - Philip as well - and that realization has to be part of it. Iím sure itís much the same with William - though between his parentsí divorce and motherís death, it was much more complicated. Now William is, in a way, in his fatherís shoes...
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Old 02-19-2020, 03:37 PM
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I see a couple of things wrong with this;

1: Itís a weekday, a Wednesday to be precise, a big celebration/party is not going to be taking place tonight. Itíll probably if any occur be a weekend.
2: There was never going to be a public celebration, in regards to the flag debacle it has never been a pre-requisite that local councils/buildings fly the flag. They are allowed to do so, should they wish.


If it truly is, displeasure on behalf of the siblings, itís odd considering what weíve had for appearances sake from the royal household is one of solidarity.
I guess you could be right but it does seem to be a bit convenient as especially (well according to reports) that Fergie was desperate to make up the numbers.

Also I remember reading when Charles was in his tour of NZ (when he had to stand Andrew down) that he became really angry and also really frustrated given the whole Andrew debacle had overshadowed his tour.

Whether that is true and Charles does still feel that way is probably still subject to debate.
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Old 02-19-2020, 03:48 PM
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It's only my humble opinion, but I would think Prince Andrew's feeling quite hurt that none of them were there, weekday or no. He really is being seen as persona non grata in the court of public opinion at the moment: there's been a lot of moaning about the fact that the Royal Family Twitter site even mentioned his birthday.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:57 AM
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I thought it was a bit odd that they mentioned his birthday on social media given he has pretty much gone to ground and all the controversy surrounding his birthday in the media.

Yeah am sure Andrew would be hurt, especially as his own mother was not there. I know Edward goes skiing every February (assuming its school hols over there) so that is understandable but looking at the Court Circular Charles did not even have an engagement on the 19th and surely Anne and the Queen could not have scheduled one on that date.

it is a bid sad when your ex wife is begging for people to come
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