The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #1501  
Old 10-20-2019, 08:22 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody View Post
Harry himself on the 'rift between the brothers'.

My take: they will always be brothers but currently they are in the 'bad days'-phase.


That was my take-away. “Different paths” indicated to me that their issues are on-going for now. But- they’re brothers; so they’ll always be there for each over.

I’d be surprised if William wanted this publicly acknowledged. Or the rest of the family.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #1502  
Old 10-20-2019, 08:31 PM
Osipi's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 16,734
Of course the brothers are on different paths now. They're no longer WilliamandHarry, Diana's sons. One is on the path to become the next Duke of Cornwall and perhaps Prince of Wales and then King. The other is going in a different direction with a focus on the Commonwealth (pretty clearly backed by HM, The Queen). Just as William joined the Royal Air Force and Harry joined the Army. That was going in different directions too. William's favorite color may be blue and Harry's green for all we know. Just because they're brothers doesn't make them clones of each other.

Different paths and perhaps even disagreements over time does *not* mean that the brothers are at war with each other. I seriously doubt that William is going to lose sleep over anything Harry's said and for all we know, William could playfully give him a punch on the arm the next time he sees him and quip "You forgot to add that our dogs don't get alone either!"
__________________

__________________
To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. ~~ Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~
Reply With Quote
  #1503  
Old 10-20-2019, 08:51 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
Relationships between Members of the British Royal Family

^^
I understand what you’re saying. Obviously Harry and William have different life paths, but I don’t think that’s what Harry was referring to. He was specifically talking about the “rift.” That was the context of his response imo.

I don’t think it means that they’re at war either. Or estranged. This isn’t Cain and Abel.

I do think they are having some on-going differences of opinion of some kind. It happens. Families are never going to agree on everything. And they have the family business angle too.

I doubt William is losing sleep either- but I’d be surprised if he wanted this to be a publicly acknowledged fact.
Reply With Quote
  #1504  
Old 10-21-2019, 06:35 AM
Jacknch's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Posts: 9,228
Please note that several posts have been edited or deleted - let's stick to real rather than imagined relationships between members of the Royal Forums and let's avoid making speculative assumptions about their future relationships with one another. Thank you.
__________________
JACK
Reply With Quote
  #1505  
Old 10-21-2019, 06:53 AM
MARG's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posts: 9,866
I come from a somewhat larger family but we four girls bickered often. But these are but passing things we lived, loved and fought with equal passion. Things had been known to fly across the rooms. A mug of cocoa could result in a "surprise" ceiling, wall and window spring clean.

The point I am trying to make is when you are close and inheritors of your parents temperaments, genes will out. Tiffs, spats and angry arguments happen. But if you're solid it mean nothing unless some little earring stirs the pot.
__________________
MARG
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." - JM Keynes
Reply With Quote
  #1506  
Old 10-21-2019, 06:55 AM
Majesty
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Pittsburgh, United States
Posts: 7,232
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erin9 View Post
That was my take-away. “Different paths” indicated to me that their issues are on-going for now. But- they’re brothers; so they’ll always be there for each over.

I’d be surprised if William wanted this publicly acknowledged. Or the rest of the family.
Call me naive, but I understood different paths as meaning simply that. William is now on the path to become the heir and then the King, while he is forging a new role as a more junior member of the RF with a focus on the Commonwealth and Africa in particular.
Reply With Quote
  #1507  
Old 10-21-2019, 07:02 AM
Majesty
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: *******, Canada
Posts: 8,908
Nick Dixon of ITV says Prince William's team were 'taken back' by Prince Harry's comments after he appeared to confirm a rift with his brother.

https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1186155108641447938?s=21
Reply With Quote
  #1508  
Old 10-21-2019, 07:23 AM
muriel's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: London / Guildford, United Kingdom
Posts: 10,505
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mbruno View Post
Call me naive, but I understood different paths as meaning simply that. William is now on the path to become the heir and then the King, while he is forging a new role as a more junior member of the RF with a focus on the Commonwealth and Africa in particular.
Fair point. But even if there are differences, there is nothing to be gained, IMO, by airing them publicly. The interview would have been a very good chance for Harry to completely deny any rift within the family and the matter could have been dealt with privately.
Reply With Quote
  #1509  
Old 10-21-2019, 07:53 AM
Jacknch's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Suffolk, United Kingdom
Posts: 9,228
I found the following artlcle from Metro and interesting read:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/21/princ...liam-10954571/

I do feel that the word "feud" is too strong a word in describing the current dynamics of the relationship between William and Harry. Not only is it alarmist but there doesn't seem to be any grounds for the use of such a word as it would point towards long-term bitterness and anger between them.

I think it's worth recognising that different personalities within a royal family (as indeed any family) are important not only in public presentation but also within the family itself.

The only problem with airing one's thoughts publicly about the state of our relationships - unless it is very carefully done - is that it can lead to more and more scrutiny.
__________________
JACK
Reply With Quote
  #1510  
Old 10-21-2019, 08:28 AM
AdmirerUS's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 6,034
Harry can say anything he wants to. I just don't understand why he would choose to throw his relationship with his brother under the bus. Which is how I saw the comment. A simple "I love my brother" could have moved that question along. Instead we got what we got.

It will only add fuel to the fire. I don't care which royal generation you are, the press loves to find acrimony amidst and between them all. This was ill advised.

My only consolation is that these people are within a decade of being boring compared to the kids. The cycle will then repeat itself.

If Harry does not want to be the story, then he needs to quit being the story. JMO.
__________________
"And the tabloid press will be a pain in the ass, as usual." - Royal Norway
Reply With Quote
  #1511  
Old 10-21-2019, 08:46 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,648
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdmirerUS View Post
Harry can say anything he wants to. I just don't understand why he would choose to throw his relationship with his brother under the bus. Which is how I saw the comment. A simple "I love my brother" could have moved that question along. Instead we got what we got.



It will only add fuel to the fire. I don't care which royal generation you are, the press loves to find acrimony amidst and between them all. This was ill advised.



My only consolation is that these people are within a decade of being boring compared to the kids. The cycle will then repeat itself.



If Harry does not want to be the story, then he needs to quit being the story. JMO.


Exactly! Harry and Meghan are being poorly advised. No, it’s not fair that she has been a target. However, the more they feed the press the more scrutiny and judgement they will face.
Reply With Quote
  #1512  
Old 10-21-2019, 09:02 AM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mbruno View Post
Call me naive, but I understood different paths as meaning simply that. William is now on the path to become the heir and then the King, while he is forging a new role as a more junior member of the RF with a focus on the Commonwealth and Africa in particular.


The full quote is “ we’re certainly on different paths at the moment.” To me, that clearly means he’s referring to the state of their relationship. (And he’s addressing the question being asked, which is their relationship.)

Their career paths in life are different for life. Nothing temporary about it.

As another poster stated, the problem with addressing this is that unless you are very careful with your words- in this case shut it down- you invite a ton more scrutiny and press. Which is what happened. I can’t tell you how many articles popped up on this subject doing a google search.

I certainly hope William wasn’t blindsided by this- which a report upthread indicates. That won’t help. I’d assumed he’d at least been made aware of Harry addressing the subject, but possibly not.
Reply With Quote
  #1513  
Old 10-21-2019, 09:17 AM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Herefordshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,397
Since long drawn out question and answer sessions with the BRF never happen, any brief sentences can and will be interpreted/misconstrued the instant they make them..

That is what has happened to Harry today..

This is why [public] 'silence is golden', and why the 'let them bleat' in public is always a dire mistake..

By all means go to court [if you think you may win], and row in private [smash plates if you need to], seek help if you need to.. but do it in PRIVATE...

None of this helps the dynamics within the family, nor in the wider world.. and merely throws fuel on the [Tabloids] fire...
Reply With Quote
  #1514  
Old 10-21-2019, 10:13 AM
muriel's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: London / Guildford, United Kingdom
Posts: 10,505
Quote:
Originally Posted by wyevale View Post
Since long drawn out question and answer sessions with the BRF never happen, any brief sentences can and will be interpreted/misconstrued the instant they make them..

That is what has happened to Harry today..

This is why [public] 'silence is golden', and why the 'let them bleat' in public is always a dire mistake..

By all means go to court [if you think you may win], and row in private [smash plates if you need to], seek help if you need to.. but do it in PRIVATE...

None of this helps the dynamics within the family, nor in the wider world.. and merely throws fuel on the [Tabloids] fire...
Well said, Wyevale.
Reply With Quote
  #1515  
Old 10-21-2019, 10:20 AM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 10,766
The bond between the two brothers-which had been there from childhood-was really very special. I hope they rebuild their relationship soon because despite what either of them believes, they need
one other. When William comes to the Throne especially.

It would break Diana's heart to see their bond broken.
__________________
"Be who God intended you to be, and you will set the world on fire" St. Catherine of Siena

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice". Martin Luther King Jr. 1929-1968
Reply With Quote
  #1516  
Old 10-21-2019, 10:49 AM
Elenath's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Nuth, Netherlands
Posts: 826
Quote:
Originally Posted by wyevale View Post
Since long drawn out question and answer sessions with the BRF never happen, any brief sentences can and will be interpreted/misconstrued the instant they make them..

That is what has happened to Harry today..

This is why [public] 'silence is golden', and why the 'let them bleat' in public is always a dire mistake..

By all means go to court [if you think you may win], and row in private [smash plates if you need to], seek help if you need to.. but do it in PRIVATE...

None of this helps the dynamics within the family, nor in the wider world.. and merely throws fuel on the [Tabloids] fire...
In our current society of internet trolls, social media and the fun British press, silence isn't golden either. There have been plenty of instances "not saying anything" was also interpreted by people. I've seen plenty of people saying/posting that lack of response (by whomever) was proof there is a rift/break/whatever.

Who was it that said: "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible". Or something like that…
Reply With Quote
  #1517  
Old 10-21-2019, 10:52 AM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 15,835
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudolph View Post
Nick Dixon of ITV says Prince William's team were 'taken back' by Prince Harry's comments after he appeared to confirm a rift with his brother.

https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1186155108641447938?s=21
There was no confirmation of a “rift” from Prince Harry. The press is just spinning it that way. He simply saying he and his brother have their ups and downs, but they support each other and love each other.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."

A.W. TOZER
Reply With Quote
  #1518  
Old 10-21-2019, 11:06 AM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
Relationships between Members of the British Royal Family

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dman View Post
There was no confirmation of a “rift” from Prince Harry. The press is just spinning it that way. He simply saying he and his brother have their ups and downs, but they support each other and love each other.


But- that’s your interpretation of what he said and meant. And that’s the problem. Harry opened a can of worms. He brought all this back into the public realm. And he failed to shut it down by the words he chose.

His hesitating before responding spoke volumes imo. Him saying they’re on different paths right now seemed telling, talking about how there are always issues in a pressure- filled family/business like theirs, they have good days/bad days. He invited further speculation, conclusions for people to draw.

I don’t take it to mean they’re estranged. But it was an acknowledgement of tensions imo.
How large or small- who knows. Families have issues- true. But- he opened a door I assume the family would prefer remained shut.

He needed to either make it a condition that the subject not come up- or simply say- there is no rift. The end.
Reply With Quote
  #1519  
Old 10-21-2019, 11:32 AM
Dman's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 15,835
Quote:
Originally Posted by Erin9 View Post
But- that’s your interpretation of what he said and meant. And that’s the problem. Harry opened a can of worms. He brought all this back into the public realm. And he failed to shut it down by the words he chose.

His hesitating before responding spoke volumes imo. Him saying they’re on different paths right now seemed telling, talking about how there are always issues in a pressure- filled family/business like theirs, they have good days/bad days. He invited further speculation, conclusions for people to draw.

I don’t take it to mean they’re estranged. But it was an acknowledgement of tensions imo.
How large or small- who knows. Families have issues- true. But- he opened a door I assume the family would prefer remained shut.

He needed to either make it a condition that the subject not come up- or simply say- there is no rift. The end.
Well, guess what? Siblings often have tensions between each other every now and then. That’s just how the cookie crumbles. Harry didn’t confirm a “rift”, but he went to talk about their love and support of each other and that most of the stories about their relationship is made up. They have a bond and love that most people simply don’t understand.

The press went on to spin his words and some people fell for the spin.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."

A.W. TOZER
Reply With Quote
  #1520  
Old 10-21-2019, 11:46 AM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dman View Post
Well, guess what? Siblings often have tensions between each other every now and then. That’s just how the cookie crumbles. Harry didn’t confirm a “rift”, but he went to talk about their love and support of each other and that most of the stories about their relationship is made up. They have a bond and love that most people simply don’t understand.

The press went on to spin his words and some people fell for the spin.


Yes- they do. All families do. But it didn’t need to be discussed.

Harry did not say- yes, there is a rift. Fair enough. He failed to say- there is not a rift. And end it. Instead he rambled on about family issues- and acknowledged there are some. Make of it what you will. He opened the door. I can’t blame the media for his poor word choices in this case. Yes- they love each other, etc. But he needlessly opened the door imo.

My point is- Harry didn’t exercise good judgment with this. If he had to say something- say there isn’t a rift. Simple. For whatever reason- he opted out of the simplest, shortest answer that gave the press nothing.
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
british royal family, princessanne, relationship, relationships, siblings


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Relationships Between Members of the Swedish Royal Family Grandduchess24 Royal House of Sweden 62 02-27-2021 12:27 PM
Relationships between members of the Norwegian royal family. Dennism Royal House of Norway 89 08-19-2020 01:16 PM
Relationships between the Members of the Danish Royal Family jellybeans Royal House of Denmark 329 11-26-2019 05:24 PM
Relationships between Members of the Spanish Royal Family kil Royal Family of Spain 1497 02-20-2019 07:17 PM
Relationships between members of the Princely Family michelle Princely Family of Monaco 324 08-11-2018 02:22 AM




Popular Tags
america american archie mountbatten-windsor asia asian baptism biography british british royal family british royals camilla's family camilla parker bowles carolin china chinese clarence house commonwealth countries crown jewels customs daisy doge of venice duchess of sussex duke of sussex elizabeth ii family life family tree fashion and style genetics george vi gradenigo gustaf vi adolf harry and meghan hello! history hochberg house of windsor jack brooksbank japan japan history jewellery kensington palace king edward vii king juan carlos książ castle liechtenstein lili mountbatten-windsor line of succession list of rulers luxembourg monarchist movements monarchists plantinum jubilee politics portugal prince harry queen consort queen elizabeth ii queen victoria royal ancestry spanish royal family speech st edward swedish queen taiwan thai royal family tradition unfinished portrait united states united states of america welsh


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:37 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021
Jelsoft Enterprises
×