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Old 07-12-2019, 11:20 AM
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Thanks for posting that.

Now I've seen it, if that is the whole interaction, I can't say that I think it seems very significant. I understand what Marg is saying, but I didn't think William looked more glum than he usually does, he was smiling at the appropriate points, and while he didn't respond noticeably to Harry's hand on his back, he also didn't, from what I could see, shrug it off or anything else.

So overall: meh.
agree. I think he just didn't respond.. but did not pull away as such.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:45 AM
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Family...the ties that bind and gag you (according to Erma Bombeck) ...of course the brothers don't always get along. They both have publically said so...that doesn't mean there is a major rift. This too shall pass.


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Old 07-12-2019, 01:32 PM
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I have to wonder if that was arranged, for PR purposes.
Of course Meghan would attend to watch Serena, and Catherine would attend because she is patron.

But it sounds like deliberate togetherness? Maybe to quiet the rumors about a feud?
I definitely agree with this. I'm not sure who has had enough and decided it was time to do a little damage control but it definitely feels like that's happened several times this week. I'm not sure if it's at the direction of the Queen, the PoW, BP, CH, KP, or maybe a combination of all of them but the rumor mill has been even more out of control than ever over the last few weeks. I'm guessing that the polo event with the children, several family members seen sitting with swarms of people at Wimbledon, and now these latest announcements about this weekend's Wimbledon appearances are all a part of a very strong damage control strategy. That said, I feel like it's a somewhat inconsistent message in a lot of areas but it is what it is. I think the fact that the pictures from the polo really didn't show any interaction between Kate and Meghan other than when Louis tried to catch Meghan's attention or the fact that we didn't see either woman interacting with the other's child/children definitely indicated that they might not be terribly comfortable in each other's presence. If they really wanted to do some damage control they'd be sure to catch the interactions between aunts and children as well as between uncles and children and brothers and sister in laws. It was a good effort at getting them all out there together but there's been so many questions raised after that about lack of interaction and the appearance of discomfort that those kinds of pictures really could have gone a long way to dispel.

I'm a pretty firm believer in the idea that when it comes to the BRF, where there's smoke there's fire. Now that's not to say that there aren't some tidbits that are completely made up or that everything we hear is the gospel truth. It's not even to say that some or much of it might not be blown out of proportion. However, when the stories are as widespread and long term as these have been and there's not a clear message coming from the BRF that they're wrong through joint engagements, perfect photo ops, etc. it's a relatively clear indication that there's at least something to the rumors. I don't believe that everything's been hunky dory between these four over the last year or so and there could be any number of reasons for that. I don't believe that it's an issue between Harry and Kate because we've now seen a couple of instances of them behaving together just as they used to, in particular when they joined together for that service at the Abbey in late April or early May (I can't remember which at this point). That said, I'm not sure if it's between Will and Harry, Will and Meghan, Meghan and Kate...but I don't believe that all is well somewhere in that mix.
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Old 07-12-2019, 01:44 PM
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I have to admit I have never bought into the story of any fighting between Catherine and Meghan and that it has caused falling out between the two families.

However, when the tabloids said Prince William was acting like he didn't want to be there I put it down to reading the tea leaves with a result that fit their current narrative. Now I find myself having to reevaluate the situation between William and Harry. I was watching an article on YouTube showing excerpts from the Polo Match and the prize-giving photos.

As they lined up with the woman in the centre, William, Harry and their respective teams behind her. Harry put his arm out around William and instead of reciprocating William shrugged him off and moved slightly further away from him. Harry persisted and put his arm around him anyway.

Whatever is going on, William is not a happy camper because at polo matches it is quite common for everyone to be happier and more relaxed and William looked rigid, like he didn't want to be anywhere near Harry.


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Old 07-12-2019, 01:51 PM
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I definitely agree with this. I'm not sure who has had enough and decided it was time to do a little damage control but it definitely feels like that's happened several times this week. I'm not sure if it's at the direction of the Queen, the PoW, BP, CH, KP, or maybe a combination of all of them but the rumor mill has been even more out of control than ever over the last few weeks. I'm guessing that the polo event with the children, several family members seen sitting with swarms of people at Wimbledon, and now these latest announcements about this weekend's Wimbledon appearances are all a part of a very strong damage control strategy. That said, I feel like it's a somewhat inconsistent message in a lot of areas but it is what it is. I think the fact that the pictures from the polo really didn't show any interaction between Kate and Meghan other than when Louis tried to catch Meghan's attention or the fact that we didn't see either woman interacting with the other's child/children definitely indicated that they might not be terribly comfortable in each other's presence. If they really wanted to do some damage control they'd be sure to catch the interactions between aunts and children as well as between uncles and children and brothers and sister in laws. It was a good effort at getting them all out there together but there's been so many questions raised after that about lack of interaction and the appearance of discomfort that those kinds of pictures really could have gone a long way to dispel.
I agree that there's something going on, seemingly between Harry and William, but I do not think this week's public events are the result of some strategy or campaign.

As you noted, the DoS and the DoC barely interacted with each other at the polo match. If the duchesses were sent out to put on a brave face, they really phoned it in.

As for the Wimbledon appearances tomorrow, the same thing happened last year. The DoC, as patron, likes to attend most of Wimbledon. The DoS attends when her friend Serena is playing. Serena's in the finals, so they'll watch together.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:04 PM
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They were chatting throughout the match.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:12 PM
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They were chatting throughout the match.
All the pics I saw were of them smiling etc ..no weird body language. I didn't see much video so nice to know they were chatting too!


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Old 07-12-2019, 02:24 PM
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I have to wonder if that was arranged, for PR purposes.
Of course Meghan would attend to watch Serena, and Catherine would attend because she is patron.

But it sounds like deliberate togetherness? Maybe to quiet the rumors about a feud?
They attended last year together, perhaps this will become an annual tradition for the two duchesses.

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Thanks for posting that.

Now I've seen it, if that is the whole interaction, I can't say that I think it seems very significant. I understand what Marg is saying, but I didn't think William looked more glum than he usually does, he was smiling at the appropriate points, and while he didn't respond noticeably to Harry's hand on his back, he also didn't, from what I could see, shrug it off or anything else.

So overall: meh.
Some people are touchy feely, some more stand offish. Harry has always seemed more naturally warm, impulsive, more likely to touch and to hug. Harry seems more of an extrovert. William as an adult has always seemed more reserved and less likely to touch or to hug. William seems more studied and more introverted. It’s a pattern between older/younger siblings with some of the Windsors. Elizabeth was reserved, Margaret was the outgoing one. Zara, seems more of a hugger/toucher, than her older brother Peter. We can already sense that Charlotte is quite the extrovert whereas George appears more of an introvert.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:30 PM
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All the pics I saw were of them smiling etc ..no weird body language. I didn't see much video so nice to know they were chatting too!


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One of the spectators posted of a video of the ‘same old’ William and Harry. Banter, razzying each other etc.

Whatever is going on can’t be too serious.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:40 PM
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I think its nice to see that Kate and Meghan will both be at the women's final of Wimbledon. It will be what it will be - there probably won't be that immensely "warm moment" that the media and royal watchers want to show they are really good friends but likewise I am sure there will be nothing that a level headed person would see as unfriendliness. The media and some watchers have bees in their bonnets over it so I am sure there will be plenty of people watching for any sign of anything - and finding plenty of signs that really do mean nothing!Personally I think they get on fine, but just that. They are quite different people IMO but its important they can get along well enough when together.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:57 PM
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One of the spectators posted of a video of the ‘same old’ William and Harry. Banter, razzying each other etc.

Whatever is going on can’t be too serious.
Oh too bad I missed that!



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Old 07-12-2019, 03:20 PM
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Thanks for posting that.

Now I've seen it, if that is the whole interaction, I can't say that I think it seems very significant. I understand what Marg is saying, but I didn't think William looked more glum than he usually does, he was smiling at the appropriate points, and while he didn't respond noticeably to Harry's hand on his back, he also didn't, from what I could see, shrug it off or anything else.

So overall: meh.
That was my take too, Ista.
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Old 07-12-2019, 07:21 PM
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That is one terrific shot. I knew if I posted many would add what they saw and possibly other links so I have decided that the 'shrug off' was more the angle of that particular camera.

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They were chatting throughout the match.
You are right they were and people who said Catherine spent most of her time with her kids are right, they kept her on the go but that didn't seem to stop she and Meghan from talking any more than Meghan walking up and down with the baby.
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Old 07-12-2019, 07:36 PM
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I think Kate and Meghan were both busy with their kids (Kate especially ..I had 3 under the age of 5 so I know how that can be) and talking to other ppl too...casual chatting as they moved around. I doubt they are best friends but I do think they get along fine when they are together.


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Old 07-12-2019, 09:48 PM
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They were chatting throughout the match.
Yes post that picture of the brothers clasping hands and smiling at each other rather than William not responding to Harry’s arm. Maybe William was exhausted from playing polo, maybe watching three small children who can run requires fuller attention than holding on to a non crying baby? Just doing their best to keep up the interest in these couples, IMO.
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Old 07-13-2019, 05:07 AM
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The proof is in the picture you posted, Pranter. Anyone that has read Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" knows that the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is 42. William is wearing 4 and Harry is wearing 2. 42. Adams isn't wrong.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/y...2-1351201.html

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Old 07-13-2019, 07:34 AM
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I hate to say it but I was sop focused on the centre grouping that I didn't realise that it was another series of photos.

The clip I was talking about was the two teams lined up and I think the widow in front just after the trophy was presented. I shall keep looking.
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Old 07-13-2019, 09:33 AM
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Yes post that picture of the brothers clasping hands and smiling at each other rather than William not responding to Harry’s arm. Maybe William was exhausted from playing polo, maybe watching three small children who can run requires fuller attention than holding on to a non crying baby? Just doing their best to keep up the interest in these couples, IMO.
Isn't that just a heads of teams handshake before a match?
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Old 07-13-2019, 09:58 AM
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Well, that was what surprised me so much. It was such a childish thing to do. And, yes of
course siblings quarrel. Heavens, my four siblings an I squabbled loudly and frequently, but never in public. What's in the family stays in the family.

But, what William did was very, very public. It was not just the people around that could see but judging from the sound on the cameras, there were many cameras, both stll and film recording their every word.

You don't get much more public than that short of taking out a front page advert so I am guessing whatever has pissed William off is important.

What, please, did William do publicly? He didn´t look solemn or gloomy on that photograph. He looked just neutral - that´s what many men often do, even if they are in good spirits. It is not necessary to smile all the time like a foolish unicorn. And I am sure this is not the obly group photograph that was made (some momentos for the godparents have surely been made) - perhaps he´s smiling there?!
What is childish about that while it is absolutely "normal" for great-grandparents (and top of that, one of these great-grandparents is the wordly head of the church!) not to appear once again at all for a religious family event?
I mean, in comparision to this "nothing" William is said to have done, I think this is the real mystery....
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Old 07-13-2019, 10:23 AM
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the queen and Philip are very old now.. and if they had something planned.. I don't quite see that it was terrible for them not to go to Archie's christening.. Im a little surprised because A is Harry's firstborn nad they have usually attended the christenings of first children... but I don't think it is that big a deal. I agree from the video I saw there didn't appear to be a big "rift" or public bad behaviouir from WIll.. Far as I could see, Harry patted him on the back.. he didn't respond.. but he didn't move far away from his brother. I doubt he meant anything by it.. perhaps he doesn't like being touched.. he wasn't even conscious of what he was doing...perhaps
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